***: mnathani has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) up_the_irons: Ah OK, I don't use many qt apps either mhoran: I've had HiDPI screens for years and while support was definitely lacking in the beginning, I wouldn't go with anything else today. The crispness of text is totally worth it and the main apps I use -- Firefox, terminal, vim, all handle it just fine.
Even Qt apps in my experience have been fine. I've set all the knobs so that things get scaled so that could be related.
I also don't use GNOME or KDE (I use MATE) so sometimes it's a pain but I just set every option I could find to set the scale factor. ***: mnathani has joined #arpnetworks acf_: yeah xfce4 for me
maybe I should try it again
I spent quite a lot of time trying to get it working about 4 years ago on a Surface Pro 3
which is 2160x1440 in a rather small dimension
tried again briefly with my 1080p thinkpad a couple months, ago but didn't spend much time on it
problem is there are so many graphics frameworks
X11 / Motif, GTK2 / GTK3, Qt4 / Qt5, Java Swing, Eclipse SWT, Firefox, ... brycec: s/graphics frameworks/windowing toolkits/ BryceBot: <acf_> problem is there are so many windowing toolkits brycec: (If you want to be semantically correct) mercutio: acutally java never worked right for me with scaling on any platform brycec: JWT is a nightmare, both to write for and to use. I'm not surprised in the least bit. And the fact that I have to have long $_JAVA_OPTIONS just to get it to work right on my desktop really puts the nail in its coffin.
_JAVA_OPTIONS=-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on -Dswing.aatext=true -Dswing.defaultlaf=com.sun.java.swing.plaf.gtk.GTKLookAndFeel up_the_irons: java is simply a nightmare alone
finally got my X1 -- https://www.instagram.com/p/Bxs9satJpzE/ BryceBot: Instagram: "Got me a new weapon #lenovo #x1 #tech (Don't worry, Windows 10 to be erased shortly...)" by up_the_irons up_the_irons: going to try Arch Linux on the desktop for the very first time... mercutio: nice ***: ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks up_the_irons: why is getting Arch Linux to boot so difficult...
(from USB thumb drive)
oh I think it's this 'Secure Boot' shit...
my god
this resolution is wicked
i feel like I seeing point 2 font on the installer console... and it's still readable!
s/I seeing/I'm seeing/ BryceBot: <up_the_irons> i feel like I'm seeing point 2 font on the installer console... and it's still readable! up_the_irons: mercutio: where do you usually start the EFI partition? sector 0 or 2048? mercutio: the tiny efi is at sector 0 usually to 2047
there's two efi system partitions
plus normal partition up_the_irons: oh I see...
I made a 100M EFI starting at 1024kB (sector 2048)
mainly cuz, that was the default heh
been following this: https://gist.github.com/mattiaslundberg/8620837
and working so far
pacstrap is running now...
this is a good time to take a walk... mercutio: pacstrap is pretty fast
even if you don't have a ssd
i usually stick kernels in the dos efi system partition
there's a few ways to boot kernels mjp2: arch could do with a real installer, even a text based one mercutio: tbh i haven't found installing that bad
the hardest part is partitioning
but that's a struggle with any OS
like you have to figure out how you want your raid setup what file systems you want to use, layout etc
regardless of OS
it's mostly defaults that it is harder for
but yeah apparently there's some fork of arch with an installer too m0unds: antergos? mercutio: wow there are heaps mjp2: im guessing they're trying to use the lack of installer as a barrier to entry to keep out 'noobs' or to make the install needlessly time consuming :p mercutio: i was thinking of manjaro i think from this list m0unds: mjp2: wouldn't surprise me, haha mercutio: it's really not time consuming m0unds: if you're not somebody who knows anything about linux or a cli it sure is
haha mercutio: like up_the_irons probably took a bit longer because was uefi instead of bios...
and had to disable secure boot etc
but that's only really hard the first time
oh true but if you have been using linux for ages mjp2: remembering all the commands or having to copy someone elses instructions by hand :/ mercutio: then none of it is terribly hard
i remember when i first used linux i struggled with tar mjp2: ive installed it many times, its just a pain in the ass each time mercutio: like gzip -dc blah.tar.gz tar vxf - |
is kind of complicated
and then oh shit it didn't create any directories.. m0unds: sure, but the whole "howtoforge" approach to installing linux distros is how you end up with unpatched systems on every cheap vpn host on the internet, lol mercutio: and it's like setting up ppp on linux was complicated tooo
and you had no internet until you got ppp connected :) m0unds: yep mercutio: so you can't google
not that google was around then..
yeah so one of the things going for clear linux seems to do be that that stay current.. m0unds: my favorite thing was when people would go all in on linux without realizing their isa or pci modem wouldn't work under linux
cuz the chipset wasn't supported (winmodem) mercutio: pci modems
isa modems gneerally worked
cos they weren't winmodems m0unds: some weren't, sure mercutio: yeah winmodems were terrible
but then so was dialup
also 115200 used to limit speed
but hardly anything supported higher
dialup would have been faster if modem banks supported software compression more frequently
cos back then most data was text
we're getting actually getting to the point now where gzip probably doesn't really matter mjp2: "gzip -dc blah.tar.gz tar vxf - |" ?
you mean "tar zxvf blah.tar.gz" ? mercutio: z is a gnu tar feature
and reasonably recent mnathani: What firewall do you recommend on arch? mercutio: ferm mnathani: I recently tried ufw mercutio: i use ferm on ubuntu too though
how was ufw? m0unds: ufw is easy
i use firewall-cmd mjp2: gzip support has been in freebsd tar for decades at least.. :D m0unds: woo mnathani: I like ufw, low learning curve mercutio: i think solaris never added z :)
also bzip2 had different letters in different implementations
solaris bundled gnu tar though as gtar
it probably had z when i was using it actually, just not the bzip2 one
but dialup makes bzip2 preferable mjp2: luckly solaris was being phased out when i started at my current job so never had to learn it :D m0unds: hahaha mercutio: solaris is nice in some ways m0unds: it was fun in the same way stuff like aix was fun mjp2: like poking your eye with a hot stick type of fun m0unds: hahahaha, not that bad mercutio: i find it interesting that windows is going to support full linux kernel
it seemed a long time ago that solaris would be the commerical unix to stand the test of time
but oracle... mjp2: embrace.. extend.. mercutio: i dunno if i'd use the word embrace with solaris
err oracle up_the_irons: mjp2: mercutio : I was surprised there was no installer. I suppose I just realized I've never actually installed Arch Linux before haha
but this "manual" method has taught me some cool things, so I don't mind... and I can use our server build logs verbatim, since there's no distinction between server and desktop OS
mercutio: speaking of manjaro... I saw that in the boot list. I'm not even familiar with that...
mnathani: ferm is the way to go
describing rules in a tree fashion is very convenient
rather than constant repetition mercutio: have you got X configured yet?
there are a lot of little choices with arch
like whether you want xdm, gdm, lightdm etc brycec: mercutio: FWIW tar on *BSD has had -z (gzip) for approximately forever. eg: (And this just happens to be oldest man page I could find) http://man.openbsd.org/OpenBSD-2.2/tar.1 mercutio: hmm i don't think it was in solaris 11 brycec: My $.02 - On Linux, I like ufw, it's stupid easy.
"ufw allow from 1.2.3.4" the end. mercutio: maybe i should try ufw out
i've been using ferm forever brycec: (But naturally my preference for actual, powerful, potentially complex rulesets is pf) mercutio: i like pf too
although the freebsd implementation irks me
freebsd and their bloody checksum issues
freebsd pf gets upset with hardware checksumming and forwarding up_the_irons: mercutio: haven't done X yet. I just got done with my first reboot. it actually worked the first time, yay! (I used a fully encrypted disk with LVM, so the config was outside of the scope of the docs)
for X, all I'll need is xmonad mercutio: sweet yeah it's setups ilke that which having no installer simplifies up_the_irons: yeah mercutio: it's like it's already going to be hard may as well do what i want to do up_the_irons: should I do all this microcode updates on boot stuff... mercutio: probably
easier than updating bios
bbl up_the_irons: OK acf_: nice
yeah I use encrypted LVM / LUKS on all of my laptops now
no noticable performance penalty either