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| up_the_irons | Ah OK, I don't use many qt apps either | [13:13] |
| mhoran | I've had HiDPI screens for years and while support was definitely lacking in the beginning, I wouldn't go with anything else today. The crispness of text is totally worth it and the main apps I use -- Firefox, terminal, vim, all handle it just fine.
Even Qt apps in my experience have been fine. I've set all the knobs so that things get scaled so that could be related. I also don't use GNOME or KDE (I use MATE) so sometimes it's a pain but I just set every option I could find to set the scale factor. | [13:15] |
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| acf_ | yeah xfce4 for me
maybe I should try it again I spent quite a lot of time trying to get it working about 4 years ago on a Surface Pro 3 which is 2160x1440 in a rather small dimension tried again briefly with my 1080p thinkpad a couple months, ago but didn't spend much time on it problem is there are so many graphics frameworks X11 / Motif, GTK2 / GTK3, Qt4 / Qt5, Java Swing, Eclipse SWT, Firefox, ... | [15:39] |
| brycec | s/graphics frameworks/windowing toolkits/ | [15:54] |
| BryceBot | <acf_> problem is there are so many windowing toolkits | [15:54] |
| brycec | (If you want to be semantically correct) | [15:54] |
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| mercutio | acutally java never worked right for me with scaling on any platform | [16:28] |
| brycec | JWT is a nightmare, both to write for and to use. I'm not surprised in the least bit. And the fact that I have to have long $_JAVA_OPTIONS just to get it to work right on my desktop really puts the nail in its coffin.
_JAVA_OPTIONS=-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on -Dswing.aatext=true -Dswing.defaultlaf=com.sun.java.swing.plaf.gtk.GTKLookAndFeel | [16:40] |
| up_the_irons | java is simply a nightmare alone
finally got my X1 -- https://www.instagram.com/p/Bxs9satJpzE/ | [16:42] |
| BryceBot | Instagram: "Got me a new weapon #lenovo #x1 #tech (Don't worry, Windows 10 to be erased shortly...)" by up_the_irons | [16:43] |
| up_the_irons | going to try Arch Linux on the desktop for the very first time... | [16:45] |
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| mercutio | nice | [17:11] |
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| up_the_irons | why is getting Arch Linux to boot so difficult...
(from USB thumb drive) oh I think it's this 'Secure Boot' shit... | [17:39] |
| my god
this resolution is wicked i feel like I seeing point 2 font on the installer console... and it's still readable! s/I seeing/I'm seeing/ | [17:46] | |
| BryceBot | <up_the_irons> i feel like I'm seeing point 2 font on the installer console... and it's still readable! | [17:47] |
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| up_the_irons | mercutio: where do you usually start the EFI partition? sector 0 or 2048? | [18:39] |
| mercutio | the tiny efi is at sector 0 usually to 2047
there's two efi system partitions plus normal partition | [18:42] |
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| up_the_irons | oh I see...
I made a 100M EFI starting at 1024kB (sector 2048) mainly cuz, that was the default heh been following this: https://gist.github.com/mattiaslundberg/8620837 and working so far pacstrap is running now... this is a good time to take a walk... | [19:01] |
| mercutio | pacstrap is pretty fast
even if you don't have a ssd i usually stick kernels in the dos efi system partition there's a few ways to boot kernels | [19:13] |
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| mjp2 | arch could do with a real installer, even a text based one | [19:51] |
| mercutio | tbh i haven't found installing that bad
the hardest part is partitioning but that's a struggle with any OS like you have to figure out how you want your raid setup what file systems you want to use, layout etc regardless of OS it's mostly defaults that it is harder for but yeah apparently there's some fork of arch with an installer too | [19:52] |
| m0unds | antergos? | [19:58] |
| mercutio | wow there are heaps | [19:59] |
| mjp2 | im guessing they're trying to use the lack of installer as a barrier to entry to keep out 'noobs' or to make the install needlessly time consuming :p | [19:59] |
| mercutio | i was thinking of manjaro i think from this list | [19:59] |
| m0unds | mjp2: wouldn't surprise me, haha | [19:59] |
| mercutio | it's really not time consuming | [19:59] |
| m0unds | if you're not somebody who knows anything about linux or a cli it sure is
haha | [20:00] |
| mercutio | like up_the_irons probably took a bit longer because was uefi instead of bios...
and had to disable secure boot etc but that's only really hard the first time oh true but if you have been using linux for ages | [20:00] |
| mjp2 | remembering all the commands or having to copy someone elses instructions by hand :/ | [20:01] |
| mercutio | then none of it is terribly hard
i remember when i first used linux i struggled with tar | [20:01] |
| mjp2 | ive installed it many times, its just a pain in the ass each time | [20:01] |
| mercutio | like gzip -dc blah.tar.gz tar vxf - |
is kind of complicated and then oh shit it didn't create any directories.. | [20:01] |
| m0unds | sure, but the whole "howtoforge" approach to installing linux distros is how you end up with unpatched systems on every cheap vpn host on the internet, lol | [20:02] |
| mercutio | and it's like setting up ppp on linux was complicated tooo
and you had no internet until you got ppp connected :) | [20:02] |
| m0unds | yep | [20:02] |
| mercutio | so you can't google
not that google was around then.. yeah so one of the things going for clear linux seems to do be that that stay current.. | [20:02] |
| m0unds | my favorite thing was when people would go all in on linux without realizing their isa or pci modem wouldn't work under linux
cuz the chipset wasn't supported (winmodem) | [20:03] |
| mercutio | pci modems
isa modems gneerally worked cos they weren't winmodems | [20:03] |
| m0unds | some weren't, sure | [20:03] |
| mercutio | yeah winmodems were terrible
but then so was dialup also 115200 used to limit speed but hardly anything supported higher dialup would have been faster if modem banks supported software compression more frequently cos back then most data was text we're getting actually getting to the point now where gzip probably doesn't really matter | [20:04] |
| mjp2 | "gzip -dc blah.tar.gz tar vxf - |" ?
you mean "tar zxvf blah.tar.gz" ? | [20:07] |
| mercutio | z is a gnu tar feature
and reasonably recent | [20:07] |
| mnathani | What firewall do you recommend on arch? | [20:07] |
| mercutio | ferm | [20:07] |
| mnathani | I recently tried ufw | [20:07] |
| mercutio | i use ferm on ubuntu too though
how was ufw? | [20:07] |
| m0unds | ufw is easy
i use firewall-cmd | [20:09] |
| mjp2 | gzip support has been in freebsd tar for decades at least.. :D | [20:09] |
| m0unds | woo | [20:09] |
| mnathani | I like ufw, low learning curve | [20:09] |
| mercutio | i think solaris never added z :)
also bzip2 had different letters in different implementations solaris bundled gnu tar though as gtar it probably had z when i was using it actually, just not the bzip2 one but dialup makes bzip2 preferable | [20:09] |
| mjp2 | luckly solaris was being phased out when i started at my current job so never had to learn it :D | [20:15] |
| m0unds | hahaha | [20:16] |
| mercutio | solaris is nice in some ways | [20:16] |
| m0unds | it was fun in the same way stuff like aix was fun | [20:16] |
| mjp2 | like poking your eye with a hot stick type of fun | [20:20] |
| m0unds | hahahaha, not that bad | [20:21] |
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| mercutio | i find it interesting that windows is going to support full linux kernel
it seemed a long time ago that solaris would be the commerical unix to stand the test of time but oracle... | [20:56] |
| mjp2 | embrace.. extend.. | [21:09] |
| mercutio | i dunno if i'd use the word embrace with solaris
err oracle | [21:14] |
| up_the_irons | mjp2: mercutio : I was surprised there was no installer. I suppose I just realized I've never actually installed Arch Linux before haha
but this "manual" method has taught me some cool things, so I don't mind... and I can use our server build logs verbatim, since there's no distinction between server and desktop OS mercutio: speaking of manjaro... I saw that in the boot list. I'm not even familiar with that... mnathani: ferm is the way to go describing rules in a tree fashion is very convenient rather than constant repetition | [21:25] |
| mercutio | have you got X configured yet?
there are a lot of little choices with arch like whether you want xdm, gdm, lightdm etc | [21:43] |
| brycec | mercutio: FWIW tar on *BSD has had -z (gzip) for approximately forever. eg: (And this just happens to be oldest man page I could find) http://man.openbsd.org/OpenBSD-2.2/tar.1 | [21:56] |
| mercutio | hmm i don't think it was in solaris 11 | [21:56] |
| brycec | My $.02 - On Linux, I like ufw, it's stupid easy.
"ufw allow from 1.2.3.4" the end. | [21:57] |
| mercutio | maybe i should try ufw out
i've been using ferm forever | [21:58] |
| brycec | (But naturally my preference for actual, powerful, potentially complex rulesets is pf) | [21:58] |
| mercutio | i like pf too
although the freebsd implementation irks me freebsd and their bloody checksum issues freebsd pf gets upset with hardware checksumming and forwarding | [21:58] |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: haven't done X yet. I just got done with my first reboot. it actually worked the first time, yay! (I used a fully encrypted disk with LVM, so the config was outside of the scope of the docs)
for X, all I'll need is xmonad | [22:08] |
| mercutio | sweet yeah it's setups ilke that which having no installer simplifies | [22:08] |
| up_the_irons | yeah | [22:08] |
| mercutio | it's like it's already going to be hard may as well do what i want to do | [22:08] |
| up_the_irons | should I do all this microcode updates on boot stuff... | [22:10] |
| mercutio | probably
easier than updating bios bbl | [22:12] |
| up_the_irons | OK | [22:19] |
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| acf_ | nice
yeah I use encrypted LVM / LUKS on all of my laptops now no noticable performance penalty either | [23:29] |
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