#arpnetworks 2019-04-21,Sun

↑back Search ←Prev date Next date→ Show only urls(Click on time to select a line by its url)

WhoWhatWhen
***mercutio has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
mercutio has joined #arpnetworks
ChanServ sets mode: +o mercutio
[04:00]
............... (idle for 1h12mn)
mkb has joined #arpnetworks [05:13]
mkbanyone else have ipv6 problems? [05:14]
mhoranYeah all sorts of problems since Friday. I think they're still getting things settled into the new cage. [05:17]
mkbyeah I figured it was that [05:19]
..... (idle for 24mn)
mhoranYeah, my IPv6 seems to be down completely.
Looks like since 5:15am UTC.
[05:43]
...... (idle for 28mn)
I sent a support ticket. IPv4 also seems to be quite laggy and my alerting keeps going off. [06:12]
................ (idle for 1h17mn)
***qbit has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.4) [07:29]
vom has joined #arpnetworks [07:42]
.... (idle for 15mn)
vomever since yesterday my VPS has had broken ipv6 - i can't ping my def. gw from it and inbound traces die one hop prior
anyone else experiencing this ? should i open a ticket ?
[07:57]
hmm - interesting - i had the unicast gw in my config for years (::1) - and it was working - but i just did a tcpdump and i see RA's with a LL
so i removed the static gateway and rebooted - and now I have my def. gw via RA and all is well
dunno if this is a known issue / related to the maintenance or what
[08:03]
............ (idle for 55mn)
***tmarble has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [08:58]
mhoranAh interesting. I opened a ticket because I encountered the same. Something must have changed [09:01]
***anisfarhana has joined #arpnetworks [09:03]
anisfarhanaHello guys :D
Are we having an issue with ipv6 connection right now?
[09:03]
mike-burnsanisfarhana: http://irclogger.arpnetworks.com/irclogger_log/arpnetworks?date=2019-04-21,Sun&sel=5#l1 - seems like it. [09:05]
anisfarhanaWhat a relief.
At least i know the problem is from arpnetworks.
[09:06]
mike-burnsHaha yeah -- it's not (necessarily) that you broke a config! [09:06]
anisfarhanaI already sent support ticket too just now.
mike-burns: This is first time i had problem with ipv6!
But i am expecting there will be a problem with ipv6 due to maintenance.
[09:07]
mhoranMaybe up_the_irons did this purposefully to get everyone back on IRC.
Yeah oddly v6 was working fine after the migration but broke around 05:11 UTC.
[09:07]
anisfarhanamhoran: I'm always here! :P
Pity up_the_irons.
[09:08]
mhoranHa. I can't really tell because I hide joins and parts [09:09]
anisfarhanaHe must be busy right now inside the new cage. [09:09]
mike-burnsDespite all our rage he is still just an admin in a cage. [09:11]
anisfarhanaI can handover my force to him :P
Use the force, Gary! :D
[09:12]
So we don't have any ETA right now for this issue right? [09:23]
***ziyourenxiang__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [09:23]
anisfarhanamy ipv6 connections still okey on Friday though. [09:25]
....... (idle for 30mn)
I got replied from support team already :D
Thanks arpnetwoks!
[09:55]
........... (idle for 52mn)
Okey i got my ipv6 back :) [10:47]
............. (idle for 1h4mn)
mhoranSame!
anisfarhana: do you have native ipv6 at home? Or using a tunnel?
[11:51]
anisfarhanaI disabled ipv6 at home.
v4 to v6 :D
[11:52]
........................... (idle for 2h12mn)
***brycec has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [14:05]
brycec has joined #arpnetworks [14:18]
brycecAlright, now _I'M_ having IPv6 issues >:(
mtr from my VPS to google.com http://pastebitch.com/PVDS
[14:24]
mercutiobrycec: looking into it [14:26]
brycecthx [14:26]
mercutiocan you ping fe80::1 ? [14:26]
brycecYes mercutio
Some really erratic trip times: 0, 5, 20, 0, 50 etc (ms)
[14:27]
mercutioit's cisco [14:27]
bryceck, didn't know if it might be indicative of network load [too] [14:28]
anisfarhanaI thought ipv6 is resolved now. [14:28]
brycecOh and for reference, from my home (tunneled) to my Thunder http://pastebitch.com/EHZb [14:28]
mercutiooh hmm
i have a diffrent subnet for you
[14:29]
brycechm? [14:30]
mercutioa650
that hop say a6c0
[14:30]
brycecAh, yeah I'm a650
No idea about that hop *shrug*
[14:31]
mercutiothat's really odd [14:31]
brycec::/0 fe80::1 UG 1024 3463630290 eth0
My default route remains fe80::1 so... *shrugging harder*
[14:31]
***acf_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [14:32]
mercutioyeh it might not know what to pick [14:32]
brycecMaybe my VLAN is misconfigured with the switch/router? (I'm more or less guessing, so I'll just shutup and let you do your thing) [14:32]
mercutioi moved you to the cisco earlier, but i tested and it was fine
and now it's not!
so not sure what's up with that
[14:33]
brycecComputers were such a mistake :P [14:33]
mercutioi traced to ::3 fine before
i can mtr to it now
better brycec ?
[14:33]
brycecSomething changed... 1 sec
It does seem to be working, yes. Though a6c0 still shows in traceroutes
[14:37]
mercutiohmm i wonder if it's possible to change that
because that's confusing :)
[14:38]
brycecPersonally, I don't think I care because I never see it, so long as things work :P [14:38]
mercutioheh
yeh it doesn't happen with non routed subnets
[14:39]
brycecMe and my /48 are "special" eh [14:40]
mercutiothere's quite a few special ones [14:40]
brycecWell FWIW I appreciate having a /48, I'm using 0.0061% of it! [14:41]
mercutioheh
i don't have ipv6 at home still
[14:41]
brycec(by subnet, not address allocation) [14:41]
mercutioi tested from arp, and your subnet was accessible from arp still [14:41]
anisfarhanamercutio: oh really? how come? [14:42]
mercutioisp doesn't support it anisfarhana [14:42]
anisfarhanaInteresting! [14:43]
mercutioipv6 isn't very common here [14:43]
anisfarhanaChange your ISP
:D
[14:43]
brycec(Or get a tunnel, yadda yadda. Not really the point, or important, at this juncture though.) [14:43]
anisfarhanaI have options here for my ADSL, ipv4 only or with ipv6 [14:43]
mercutioi don't actually have anywhere local to get tunnel from [14:43]
brycecThank you so much for the speedy assist, mercutio ! And best of luck with the ongoing migrations. [14:43]
mercutiootherwise i probably would
brycec: yeh sorry about that
[14:43]
anisfarhanaup_the_irons just fixed my ipv6 too :)
anisfarhana is happy customer!
[14:44]
brycecSydney isn't "local" to you? :O /s [14:44]
mercutioso yeh you both are on cisco termination for ipv6 rather than openbsd now
brycec: not really, it is further from the US than here
so it will increase latency for all US traffic by about 35 msec or so
and 135 vs 170 msec is actually quite noticably different
[14:44]
brycecI imagine you could go through Hong Kong and have a decent trans-pacific latency. [14:45]
mercutiomy friend visited china when he was living in england. latency was terrible between the two
you'd think that china could have decent latency to england, but all the paths go via the US
[14:46]
brycecNo, I wouldn't think that at all.
There's a whole goddamn continent between China and Europe, EITHER WAY YOU GO :P
[14:46]
mercutiotrue [14:47]
brycecAnd I suspect the connections crossing the US are better than whatever crosses Russia and friends. [14:47]
mercutioeurope is pretty good for connectivty, same with russia
places like bulgaria are really cheap for high speed connections
[14:48]
brycecThe US has good economic factors for making good connections across the country. I don't imagine Russia has the same factors. But this is just conjecture on my part. [14:48]
mercutiothe US has terrible pricing for internet
for home users
there are a few monopolies which hardly compete
like comcast is like $80 USD for 100 megabit or something isn't it?
on a dated cable network
[14:49]
brycecYou don't have to tell me :P [14:50]
anisfarhanaCome here mercutio [14:50]
mercutioyeh so places like bulgaria are like $10 USD/month for internet [14:50]
brycecTIL there's undersea cable directly between New Zealand and the US, much to my surprise. [14:50]
anisfarhanaYou can enjoy my ipv6 here
:D
[14:50]
mercutiorunning fibre is mostly about labour... [14:51]
brycec(well, direct to Hawaii, then from Hawaii to mainland US making landfall in Silicon Valley) [14:51]
mercutioyeh there's more than one cable
they introduced a new higher latency one
but it still keeps the pricing better
it's 125ish msec from auckland to los angeles
then latency to auckland, and to your pop
[14:51]
brycecYep I just read about that one (the third such, went live last June) [14:53]
mercutioour latency to singapore is similar
but bandwidth to singapore tends to be much worse
[14:53]
brycecStill disppointing that 15,000km only gets you 125ms [14:54]
mercutioyeh it's hard to do more direct paths
110 msec or something would be noticably faster
it's still reasonably direct
gpon has a bit more latency than i'd like too
[14:54]
brycecQuite surprising how many submarine cables come ashore just 100km from where I live [14:56]
mercutioit's like 0.6 to 1.4 msec or something
like variable
i think our cable lands between san jose and los angeles
so it ends up being transported to one or the other
[14:56]
brycecHawaiki (the newest one) is the one that lands near me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F_aWegm_ok video of the boat arriving, apparently
[14:58]
BryceBotYouTube video: "Pacific City Cable Landing" by Hawaiki Cable [15:00]
brycecOh including the cable actually coming out of some sort of ground conduit, this is neat [15:01]
mercutiooh their latency to Oregon is pretty good, 126msec it says
heh they offer transport to one wilshire
it's so much easier to terminate at a popular location
it makes it much easier to sell wavelengths to smaller companies
[15:02]
brycecI've studied the video, matched it up to aerial photography, and subsequently realized I've driven past its landing station several times without ever realizing it was there. (Tucked back from the road, nondescript, etc)
So that was a good use of my Sunday afternoon
[15:12]
***ksthomas has joined #arpnetworks [15:17]
brycec"The fiber optic cable may be buried at less than one meter, but not less than three feet, in hard ground such as portions of the "reef area" along the cable route." Lol, that's a window of about 3.5in/9cm [15:20]
mercutiohaha
remember google abandoned a city becuase they were laying fibre too shallow?
[15:21]
brycecI hadn't heard that [15:22]
mercutiohttps://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2019/02/11/google-fiber-to-make-its-first-market-exit-in.html [15:23]
brycecIt figures there would be someone else who'd already done what I was doing The fiber optic cable may be buried at less than one meter, but not less than three feet, in hard ground such as portions of the "reef area" along the cable route.
derp, wrong clipboard
https://cryptome.org/eyeball/cablew/cablew-eyeball.htm
[15:23]
mercutiothey lay my fibre in my neighbours garden
it seems a stupid place to put cables to my mind
[15:24]
brycecBetter than in YOUR garden :P [15:25]
mercutiowell it's more likely to have a spade through it
new zealand is doing pretty well with fibre though
[15:25]
brycecFiber bear me is all in underground service ducts and the like, fortunately. But there are areas with it strung pole-to-pole too, both out of the way at least.
*Fibre near
[15:26]
mercutiolike there is affordable 1000/500 megabit fibre connections now
in most of the country, from multiple providers
there will only be one provider to get the actual bit to your house
but head ends are reasonably affordable too, so it makes it more accessible for ilke say a backup provider to start up and have their own fibre links
[15:26]
brycecGood for y'all! [15:27]
mercutiothat said most people will only have one provider
yeh it sounded kind of iffy at first, with 100/50 and 30/10 plans standardised by the government
[15:27]
brycecAgh I'm reading through this marine website's report of the laying of a cable and they keep using "nm" for nautical miles and it's really infuriating me. ("NM" is the proper abbreviation for nautical miles, AND YOU'RE A DAMN MARINE WEBSITE WHY DON'T YOU KNOW THIS) [15:28]
mercutiobut the fibre providers came out with faster plans and now 100/20 is pretty much teh default for a decentish price [15:28]
brycecNothing wrong with 100/50 (or even 30/10) those are very serviceable connections for Most People (TM) [15:28]
mercutioit's like $45 for 100/20 and $55 for 1000/500 or something for residential for wholesale cost though [15:29]
brycecMeanwhile, I've got 100/100 and life is fanatstic and everythign is backed-up In The Cloud! [15:29]
BryceBotTO THE CLOUD!!! [15:29]
mercutioNZD which is about 0.7x USD [15:29]
brycec@exch 55 NZD USD [15:29]
BryceBot55 NZD -> 36.763206847849 USD (as of Sun, 21 Apr 2019 15:00:00 -0700) [15:29]
mercutiowell 100/20 is a lot better than 30/10 as a base offering
so yeah it's affordable enough that providers can put a little markup on it
and buy transit etc
base plans are moe like $80 or $90 i think
@exch 80 nzd usd
[15:30]
BryceBot80 NZD -> 53.473755415053 USD (as of Sun, 21 Apr 2019 15:00:00 -0700) [15:31]
brycec"These patrols continued until the cable was completely buried in the fishing grounds. Little fishing activity occurred in the area during the cable installation, and no conflicts occurred. One humpback whale was observed in the vicinity during post-lay burial." I appreciate the "one whale was seen" note in their report lol [15:31]
mercutiothere's a cable from perth to singapore ish
and it gets hit all the time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEA-ME-WE_3
[15:32]
BryceBotSEA-ME-WE 3 :: SEA-ME-WE3 or South-East Asia - Middle East - Western Europe 3 is an optical submarine telecommunications cable linking those regions and is the longest in the world. Completed in late 2000, it is led by France Telecom and China Telecom, and is administered by Singtel, a telecommunications operator owned by the Government of Singapore. The Consortium is formed by 92 other investors from the telecom industry. It was commissioned... [15:32]
mercutioi think it's around singapore somewhere it gets hit, but it goes all over the place
hah it has two fibre pairs with 2.3 terabit/sec per pair
you know that cable should give better china to england latency if it was used :)
i suppose it's still pretty indirect
[15:33]
brycecReading reports from circa-2000 and they're describing cables with 560Mbps/pair and like wow we've come a long, long way in a short time. [15:35]
mercutioyeah [15:36]
mkbyou ever read that neil stephenson article for wired? [15:36]
brycecAlso, 283kb file for a nav chart "Note: These images are large, and will take several minutes to load." [15:37]
mercutiohahaha [15:37]
mkbhttp://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/4.12/ffglass_pr.html [15:37]
mercutio2000 is when things were rapidly taking off though [15:37]
brycecI think I sneeze slower than it took to load. [15:37]
mercutioin 2011 i had like 16 megabit adsl
now i have 1000/500 fibre
16/1 adsl
in 2002 i had like 256kbit/128kbit cable
in 2001 i still had dialup at home :)
[15:37]
brycecDitto, that's right around the time I went from dial-up (MPPP, two phone lines baby!) to cable (10/1 I think) [15:39]
mercutioyou jumped straight to 10 megabit? [15:39]
brycecMay not have even been that fast, it was a long time ago! [15:39]
mercutioi had faster net at work in 2001 at least
i never could web browse on dialup comfortably coming from bbs's
even ssh was laggy on dialup
[15:40]
brycecI remember it was a white Motorola SurfBoard modem... and I remember having all kinds of fun fiddling with it and the HFC network (before ISPs actually started to care about "security") [15:41]
mercutio64kbit isdn was a lot lower latency [15:41]
brycecYeah, I remember relying greatly upon a caching proxy [15:41]
mercutioheh
i've actually found browsing has got slower over time
but i think it's the browsers...
like i had an old version of chromium somewhere stored and i loaded it and it was stupidly fast
[15:41]
brycecmkb: Interesting (albeit LONG! Over 40k words) read, thanks
(Typically, that works out to 80+ pages in book form!)
[15:44]
mercutiowow sri lanka had a huge bomb
killed more than 200 people
[15:46]
brycecOh you mean actual explosion, Shit.
(Thought "a huge bomb" like a failed cable, tech boom crash, etc)
[15:46]
...... (idle for 26mn)
***ziyourenxiang__ has joined #arpnetworks [16:12]
ksthomas has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [16:26]
....... (idle for 31mn)
ziyourenxiang__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [16:57]
.... (idle for 17mn)
acf_ has joined #arpnetworks [17:14]
acf_hmm so my arp metal box just rebooted
after roughly 2 years of uptime
> Physical move of ARP Metalâ„¢ servers to new cage
I'm guessing that was this?
[17:14]
mhoranYup. [17:17]
acf_is everything still in wilshire annex, just a different cage? [17:21]
mhoranNot sure, but I think so. [17:22]
mercutiodifferent cage, different floor [17:27]
.......... (idle for 45mn)
***vom has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [18:12]
........ (idle for 37mn)
mnathaniDoes traffic trombone the SMF link between the cages? Ie: external request comes in and terminates on the old floor /cage then travels via smf to new cage to the VPS / Thunder End point and back over the SMF to the old cage and back out the transit link the request initially came in on?
or does each cage have its own Transit / Peering connections as well
[18:49]
***qbit has joined #arpnetworks [18:59]
mercutiosome traffic traverses
we're advertising prefixes on both sides atm
and some people are still terminated in the old cage
[19:13]
....... (idle for 33mn)
mnathaniIs the MTU on the 1gig SMF run 1500 or more like 9/10,000 Jumbo frame? I assume its an 802.1Q Trunk link carrying multiple VLANs? [19:46]
mercutionah it doesn't tunnel vlans, it just has tagged vlan pass trhough so 1500 per valn
so 1500 through to vlan i should say
it's when you want vlan inside vlan inside vlan etc you need larger mtu, and even then people usually run 1600 or such rather than 9k
unless they want larger mtu for traffic.. but high mtu isn't very popular still
basically large mtu is more useful on higher bandwidth links but then the mtu overhead isn't that big a concern, and there's lots of hardware offload now days..
[19:47]
acf_I'm guessing the plan is to eventually move everything to your "new" cage [19:54]
mercutioyeah [19:54]
..... (idle for 20mn)
mnathanithanks mercutio! [20:14]
............................. (idle for 2h24mn)
acf_who are the transit providers we have now?
last I remember it was NTT and level3, but it seems things have changed
right now everything seems to be routed through "atlanticmetro"
[22:38]

↑back Search ←Prev date Next date→ Show only urls(Click on time to select a line by its url)