mercutio: nah, that's enforcing mode on stretch - stock install Ugh, just heard another podcast say “backslash” for a character in a URL. #petpeeve That's confusing at best! yeah, and sadly, it can sorta work in windows machines so people get broken confirmation that there's no problem. That's what she said!! ahh, I missed BryceBot! I just read the SO answer about that -- apparently Chrome re-writes \ to / in URLs, for IE compatibility. That's wild. ok, that's even scarier well, how do you separate out people who say whack-whack for \\unc\path vs. a singular "whack" for /option (e.g., cmd /c) windows be crazy? I try not to think about windows users in general http://gemal.dk/mozilla/slashy.html - in Chrome the "this link" renders with the / even though the HTML has \ . That's Chrome on GNU. GNU? You mean Linux? Sure. or is there already an implementation of Hurd? Ha there is but I did mean GNU/systemd/Linux. I've partied with Linus. I've partied with RMS. Because of that, I'll never say "GNU/Linux" because it's just RMS trying to ride the coat-tails of what Linus did. Linus actually put me in a headlock the day I said "what do you think about RMS trying to relabel your work as GNU/Linux?" :) iirc, there's a Hurd out there somewhere that runs celebrity cage match between the two would be interesting no, Linus would just concede publicly. I mostly deal with the userland -- I don't like Linux so I don't really do kernel hacking -- and I have to look up GNU stuff all the time because I've only memorized BSD commands. So it's GNU to me. it's only privately that he's a bit more insistant i think they all, in their own way, have some pioneering accomplishments Indeed. I was on a cruise where Maddog moderated a shouting match between Eric Raymond and RMS, saying "we needed BOTH of you!" that was a very interesting experience. i'd be curious what your opinion on Potterware is, RandalSchwartz and I believe he was correct. Eric brought the notion of "open source" to the world. Richard brought the notion of "the four freedoms". I think Open Source is ultimately winnning, and card-carrying FSF members are on the decline need to google Potterware never heard of it systemd ... http://www.potterware.com something about clay from Malta? systemd, firewalld, crond, logind ... borgd PulseAudio. probably the easiest way to explain it, with a gif: https://i.warosu.org/data/g/img/0444/21/1411970433039.gif still waiting to get him on FLOSS Weekly. :) he's promised twice now, but not responded in email who, Pottering? yeah I met him in person at a conference last year. i just wonder what their goals are We may find out in a future FLOSS Weekly! heh only if he responds to my email :) s/Potter/Poetter/ who, Poettering? @ud poetterware poetterware: Poetterware is a type of software mostly found on Linux systems, for example systemd, pulseaudio, policykit, consolekit, xdg-open, colord and more. -- This software generally works very well and solves really complicated problems, but if it doesn't behave the way it should, you will have a hard time debugging the issue (e.g. via dbus), working around it (by quick hacks) or use alternative software. It may be written by Lennart Poettering or the freedesktop foundation or other participants in the ecosystem. Example: "You're using Gentoo Linux with systemd? Yes, although it's poetterware it works very well for me." (It helps if you spell it correctly 😉)