BryceBot: no Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'Lefty: contract' Yeah I suppose my point was that ROR (and Rails in general) just doesn't come up on today's buzzword bingo cards very often. These days it's less of a buzzword and more of a stable piece of software. The progression of tech. There was quite a bit about the future of Ruby at RubyConf this year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-A9eRzCBL0&index=1&list=PLE7tQUdRKcyayGHjjxZOmVEGsxX-rczZt - opening keynote from the creator of Ruby. YouTube video: "RubyConf 2017: Opening Keynote - Good Change, Bad Change by Yukihiro Matsumoto" by Confreaks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2WgVr1rv3c&index=3&list=PLE7tQUdRKcyayGHjjxZOmVEGsxX-rczZt YouTube video: "RubyConf 2017: Keynote - The Impermanence of Software by Andy Croll" by Confreaks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiT2XEWae1c&index=20&list=PLE7tQUdRKcyayGHjjxZOmVEGsxX-rczZt YouTube video: "RubyConf 2017: Saving Ruby from the Apocalypse by Jason Charnes" by Confreaks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH_y45he4-o&index=33&list=PLE7tQUdRKcyayGHjjxZOmVEGsxX-rczZt YouTube video: "RubyConf 2017: Keynote: Growing Old by Chad Fowler" by Confreaks Those are the culture-based ones. There were also quite a few technical talks about the actual technical future of Ruby. It's going to be fast! Those look/sound like worthwhile watches, thanks. And good point on the transition from "buzz" to stable/reliable/core infrastructure. (Not that these are mutually exclusive, plenty of companies are building themselves on top of tech that is still in the buzzword bingo card.) Just like COBOL and C aren't on the bingo card anymore... Okay, troubleshooting time! I'm trying to reach a VPS of qbit's at 174.136.100.91. From the outside world, no problem - ping, connect, etc. From ARP subnets (1 Thunder, 1 VPS, 1 Metal, across 2 accounts/VLANs), no response. I'm pretty sure ARP doesn't block traffic between its VLAns (because I can connect across my accounts). qbit claims "i ain't got no blockins \o/ " and I've confirmed his netmask is set right. Anyone got thoughts? Can anyone else ping that IP from ARP? i ain't! (Stupid embedded enter) (I don't believe you!) (:P) ( http://ix.io/DiP ) mah pf.conf (heh I see you've given up on your matrix_whitelist thing) yeah, no needed since they fixed the dumb "rejoin rooms" thing pfctl -t abusive_ssh -T test 174.136.103.130 ; pfctl -t abusive_www -T test 174.136.103.130 ; pfctl -t fail2ban -T test 174.136.103.130 pretty please, qbit? 0/1 addresses match. 0/1 addresses match. 0/1 addresses match. Then I'm at a loss :( qbit: Do you at least see (tcpdump) my pings? tcpdump -i vio0 -c 10 icmp what is the tcpdump command? <3 yes 15:27:16.105402 vps3.cobryce.com > spark.akb.io: icmp: echo request (DF) Are you able to ping back? no, shows host is down route -n get 174.136.103.130 (That's OpenSBD syntax, obvs) It *should* say gateway: huh spark# rout route to destination mask interface if address priority flags use 1824 ohgod That's what she said!! i have no idea how i did a horizontal select that's neat and completely useless :P http://ix.io/DiS so it's trying to go out my alias? It's trying to go direct without routing gimme yo ip! ^ That's what it's supposed to look like :O inet 174.136.100.82 netmask 0xffff0000 broadcast 174.136.255.255 dat netmask whoa dude no wonder http://man.openbsd.org/hostname.if how do i tell :D qbit it guessed at the netmask since you didn't give it one try now It should be "alias 174.136.100.82 255.255.255.255" ping still not wresponding i have that - but with the proper subnet oh, literally 255.255.255.255? Aliases usually are given a /32 (notice the examples ;)) qbit: you're gonna want to `ifconfig vio0 -alias 174.136.100.82 ; ifconfig vio0 alias 174.136.100.82 255.255.255.255` That'll delete and readd the alias manually. Or just delete then netstart (But netstart on its own won't delete the previous alias, you def need to do that manually) woo brycec: work now? :D qbit: Negative, no ping responses, no TCP connect inet 174.136.100.82 netmask 0xffff0000 broadcast 174.136.255.255 ehhem bro did you even udpate your hostname.vio0? *update yes Well not very well :P http://ix.io/DiX qbit: Shouldn't that second line be "inet alias" not just "alias"? (And how that's even working at all, I'll never know :P) i don't know but it doesn't work even if i run you command i mean.. it works but the alias mask stays incorrect The next step is clear: /tableflip @tableflip No! Fuck you, brycec!! Don't you dare un-flip this table, mcchunkie. DON'T YOU DARE! o_o heh #nocontext #nobot @tableflip (╯‵Д′)╯彡┻━┻ fwiw my commands forgot the "inet" parts too **`ifconfig vio0 inet -alias 174.136.100.82 ; ifconfig vio0 inet alias 174.136.100.82 255.255.255.255` Because I'm not perfect. **`ifconfig vio0 inet -alias 174.136.100.82 ; ifconfig vio0 inet alias 174.136.100.82 netmask 255.255.255.255` even that did it workin? yuppers! bitchin Thank you very much for taking the time to work through this and crash your box :) np