i told yall i would post a link after i wrote up my mail server setup. here ya go: https://www.c0ffee.net/blog/mail-server-guide I still have to chuckle at the IRC handle, "perlgod". Hahaha. its a blessing and a curse RandalSchwartz: with enough work, perhaps one day you can achieve some lesser-diety perl title hang in there! i've learned more "modern" languages perlgod: FYI, RandalSchwartz is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randal_L._Schwartz -- you may have read his books. :) but whenever theres a time crunch and i need a solution NOW, i always turn to perl Randal L. Schwartz :: Randal L. Schwartz (born November 22, 1961), also known as merlyn, is an American author, system administrator and programming consultant. He is known for his expertise in the Perl programming language, his promotional role within the Perl community, as a co-host of FLOSS Weekly, and for a controversial felony conviction resulting from State of Oregon vs. Randal Schwartz, later officially expunged. Career Schwartz... the muslce memory never leaves people pretend like ruby is way better but its just a more hipster perl without the sigils ha! i didnt even notice the username. glad I could give you a chuckle, RandalSchwartz some of your books really helped me get started in my programming career. thank you! I'm big on Dart, these days. all-in, in fact. gonna write books and courses. .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDMMF_b7Kbs