[00:17] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [01:47] *** km_ has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [01:48] *** shat has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [01:50] *** hazardous has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [01:52] *** qbit has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [01:53] *** hazardous has joined #arpnetworks [02:19] *** qbit has joined #arpnetworks [02:31] *** shat has joined #arpnetworks [02:31] *** shat has quit IRC (Changing host) [02:31] *** shat has joined #arpnetworks [02:31] *** km_ has joined #arpnetworks [07:40] i will break the silence: i am thoroughly enjoying my arp thunder instance, love all the disk space. [07:41] also i started using rspamd as my email spam filter since dspam was abandoned. its an awesome product, bsd licensed. check it out if you've never looked into it [09:48] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [10:52] *** mkb has joined #arpnetworks [11:11] *** KDE_Perr1 is now known as KDE_Perry [12:34] hmm, i have not heard of rspamd [12:37] i hadnt either until i started researching new spam blockers. was initially looking at spamassassin, and why i do love perl, the thought of spinning up 20 perl processes for every email that came in wasnt appealing [12:37] rspamd is written in c [12:38] has tons of modules for spam blocking. DCC bulk lists, dkim, dmarc, RBL, statistical filtering, etc [12:38] and a simple web gui for viewing spam block/pass stats [12:41] sounds interesting. i use amavisd-new [12:41] which is perl and bloated, and hooks into spamassassin, dkim, etc [12:42] i actually do zen spamhaus rbl block straight in postfix. [12:43] rspamd does dkim signing of outgoing mails as well. before i was just using opendkim and dspam as milters [12:43] i think i am signing outbound mails [12:43] and doing domainkeys? [12:43] you can easily check by sending an email to a gmail account and checking for "signed-by" field in the message headers. [12:44] i tried to stay on top of all of the things to do years ago, then it seems things stopped changing nearly as much, and i haven't kept up [12:44] or google one of those dkim/spf testers [12:44] ok i'll email gmail :) [12:44] i seem to reclal using gmail to check in the past :) [12:44] i think yahoo needed domainkeys? [12:44] if you want to make sure other mail servers accept your mail, its not too terribly hard [12:44] 1. make sure your mail server has a reverse dns record that points back to itself [12:45] 2. make sure spf records are correct in dns [12:45] i'm struggling to figure out how to show headers in gmail [12:45] 3. you can look into DMARC/DKIM signing, but in my experience getting 1 & 2 correct is enough [12:45] oh "show original" [12:46] you can hit the little arrow next to the "To:" field [12:46] it should say "mailed by" and "signed by" [12:46] or show original :) [12:46] hmm i don't see signed by [12:46] you are prob not signing outgoing mails then [12:47] i must not be [12:47] i used this when setting up my mail server, very helpful [12:47] http://dkimvalidator.com/ [12:47] i have dkimproxy setup it seems [12:48] I've never bothered with dkim and people usually respond to my mail [12:48] but i probably didn't do it in postfi [12:48] yeah, in my experience most mail servers do not reject purely based on dkim [12:48] however if they are using something like spamassassin or another spam blocking software, not having valid dkim will increase your likelihood of being flagged as spam [12:48] now I've never done any real test to see if the people who don't respond don't because they didn't get it or because they don't want to talk to me... [12:49] haha mkb [12:49] or maybe they do respond to you, and their mails go into spam [12:49] i have spent a ton of time getting my mail server set up. currently running postfix/rspamd/dovecot with ldap auth and sieve filtering. also trains spam based on mail you move to Junk folder [12:49] one of these days i will do a write-up about it [12:50] running it all on freebsd on ARP of course :) [12:50] yeah it ends up being a huge time sink [12:50] i added things one after another when i got irritated by my level of spam [12:50] I also don't do any kind of modern spam filtering [12:50] i mostly seem to attract russian girls spam atm [12:50] which I may have to change soon [12:51] have not had any spam since setting up rspamd and adding postfix options reject_unknown_reverse_client_hostname, reject_invalid_helo_hostname, reject_non_fqdn_helo_hostname, reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_unknown_sender_domain [12:51] I used to run openbsd spamd [12:52] if i ever do a write up of my setup i will post a link in here so you can benefit from my trial and error [12:52] rather effective, but ultimately caused more problems than it solved [12:52] it is a time sync, but messing around with hosting stuff basically got me my career [12:52] reject_unauth_destination, reject_unknown_sender_domain, reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org, check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/sender_access [12:52] helped a lot more than the CS degree anyway [12:52] hmm i wonder if i should add some more [12:53] i can't stand greylisting [12:53] and it doesn't seem to help modern spam [12:54] most spam that comes through to me comes from gmail, yahoo, etc, and other legit mail senders. [12:54] rspamd does greylisting by default, though you can disable. i have not had too many problems [12:54] zen spamhaus may be blocking some things grey listing may have helped against though [12:54] on an iffy email, it will do a soft bounce. usually the other mailserver will retry in about 60 seconds and then it will go through [12:55] 60 seconds... yeah right [12:55] my big problem with mail now days is "legit" mail [12:55] i want something like gmails automatic folder shifting [12:56] the problem I had with greylisting is that idiots would email me, then call me on the phone to tell me they've emailed me, and I'd have to explain that I couldn't see it [12:56] YER AN IDIOT mkb [12:56] mkb haha that sounds like somethin gi'd do [12:56] some email systems are slow too even without greylisting [12:57] yeah I'm increasingly dissatisfied with the amount of legitimate spam I get [12:57] i figure that it's often best to email and ring if you want a timely response [12:57] never buy anything from ebags.com [12:57] now ebay.com [12:57] nor [12:58] actually ebay isn't that bad. paypal keep updating their privacy policy. [12:58] hah. ebay sent me one the other day and I couldn't tell if it was phishing or not [12:58] i kind of want a folding type thing, where similar messages get grouped together [12:58] like all of the ubuntu security notices [12:59] i suppose that's something that is the job of the mail user agent [12:59] i played around with offline imap (actually mbsync now) and notmuch, which is an awesome, fast email tagging system [12:59] but it only works on one device [12:59] so kinda useless if you have laptop, desktop, smartphone etc [12:59] i have two gmail adddress on my phone [12:59] server-side sieve filtering serves me well for now [13:00] and just use my normal email otherwise and don't have it on my phone [13:00] one of my gmail includes thigns like promotions and has no alerts. [13:00] cos sometimes it's nice to have store promotions or such on your phone [13:02] oh yeah I still use pop which means I only get mail on one machine [13:02] i use mutt on the mail server :) [13:35] *** sjackso has joined #arpnetworks [14:32] *** mkb has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [17:32] *** KILLALLHUMANS01 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [19:46] *** KILLALLHUMANS01 has joined #arpnetworks [21:04] @geoip 98.142.108.75 [21:04] WHOIS - 98.142.108.75 (DomainTools) http://whois.domaintools.com/98.142.108.75 [21:04] http://98.142.108.75 (Try to go there) http://98.142.108.75 [21:04] @geoip wolfman.devio.us [21:04] brycec: I'm sorry, the DDG Zero-Click API returned no results. As this is a Zero-click Info API, most deep queries (non topic names) will be blank. Quite frankly, this DDG API sucks cocks. [21:04] That's quite the error message. [21:06] oh crap wrong channel too, sorry for the noise [21:06] (my PM with BryceBot is 1 window over, and I'm not paying attention) [21:18] that is a creative error message :) [21:26] What can I say, I got tired of people trying to @ddg things and being disappointed. [22:26] *** km__ has joined #arpnetworks [22:27] *** km_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [22:29] *** hive-mind has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [22:36] *** hive-mind has joined #arpnetworks [23:59] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks