up_the_irons: Is there any vacancy in arpnetworks? what's the process for removing a vps from my account? open a discussion ticket thinger? Yup, qbit k finally migrated to my new thunderer the freebsd-10.3 iso is still mountable, right? I'm probably gonna try the upgrade finally next week, and I'll want an ISO I can mount if I screw something up RandalSchwartz: Looks like yes it's still available http://mirrors.arpnetworks.com/ISO_Library/ qbit: nice, congrats on the move. :P ty thankies now I just need to get brave enough to try the upgrade soon, or at least have enough time to mop up the mess if something goes wrong. It helpes that I'm doing a zfs-send/recv snapshotting offsite in case I totally tank it. oh, i read abit saying migrating to thunder, and thought you were migrating to thunder with your upgrade at first.. live upgrades are always scary :) but you should be able to snapshot with zfs, and rollback if you run into issues not that i've tried doing that :) Yeah. I was thinking I could dress-rehearse this on another VPS, except I can't buy a 9.3 VPS any more anywhere. :) you could put through a special request but damn, 9.3.. ? :) actually 9 series was pretty stable Yeah, only EOLed for 6 months now. :) actually - I could rehearse it in a laptop virtual machine... install 9.3, send a snapshot down, activate that, then go through the series of steps I'll be doing for the upgrade. Hmm. Would I have to mimic all the zfs mounts? probably I have 22 of them can't you do a recursive send? yeah, thinking about it, I did that with zxfr to set up my offsize backup so now I have a perfect 22 mirror I'm just wondering if I can promote that to zroot, or whether I need to use something like BE's i think you can just rename to zroot if it's not off zroot but if it's off zroot i'm not sure Ohh. so boot from cd, promote the snapshot, rename it from zroot/something to zroot? hmm i'm not sure if you can do that actually you can only have zroot@preupgrade or such as a snapshot and rollback to that opensolaris has seperate zroot and normal base system iirc and creates a new zroot but I mean on my target machine... just ensure boot is zroot, then send zroot@snap oh freebsd is doing something similar then promote snap? https://blather.michaelwlucas.com/archives/2363 ok it looks like work is happening but legacy installs aren't likely to be that way that's an optional package, and yeah, I haven't installed that. it was on my to-do list to investigate. :) I have a feeling it'll take me less time to just do the update in the regular way than to rehearse the update, as long as I take a snapshot I can promote. :) the only trouble is if I can't figure out how to rollback.