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   mercutio: so bitcoin, eh?
   mhoran: Yup. I've made back all my losses from the 1200 I spent on 1 BTC in whenever to now... and then some.
   mercutio: it was nearly $2000 the other day
   <br> now it's around $2100
   <br> pretty crazy
   <br> i've started altcoin mining
   <br> making about $4 USD/day if i do it 24/7
   <br> with a video card i bought in 2014..
   mike-burns: That's pretty good!
   mercutio: yeah it's good enough i am researching buying more cards and doing on linux :)
   <br> at least during winter
   mkb: how much electricity does it use?
   mercutio: it's winter, so that doesn't really matter right now :)
   <br> but quite a lot...
   <br> enough that i can notice the room is warmer when i mine overnight
   -: mkb thinks it's summer... :)
   mercutio: well for you it is :)
   mike-burns: Summer is a state of mind.
   mercutio: i'm still wearing shorts..
   <br> and i haven't used a heater yet, but daily high has shifted to around 15c..
   <br> https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Support-Graphics-03G-P4-6162-KR/dp/B01KU2CIIY
   mkb: now if they can only figure out how to run an ac and mine bitcoins at the same time
   mercutio: my research suggests that this card may not be too bad under linux
   mkb: maybe with the internet of things my thermostat will start mining bitcoins
   mercutio: not being very loud or using too much power, while still mining reasonably well.
   <br> the extracting heat problem is actually very interesting
   <br> a lot of the worlds power consumption is now used by data centres.
   <br> and with modern globalisation moving power consumption to colder parts of the world seasonally is starting to make more and more sense
   mkb: traditionally you never turn your servers off
   <br> I wonder if people like amazon do
   <br> I guess maybe it would be too fragmented... but maybe they can migrate
   mercutio: with clusters that's changing
   mkb: yeah
   mercutio: but right now what's been happening first is cores are turned off when not used
   <br> in typical numa server configurations one side of the host can be not used at all under moderate load
   mkb: oh yeah apply all the laptop power management to servers
   <br> and more
   mercutio: and only start to use the second half as load increases
   <br> but yeah if you had a vmware cluster of 20 servers or such
   <br> you can have 16 servers running all of the time
   <br> and 4 that are spun up as needed
   <br> and their are systems etc to power on/off servers as needed
   <br> adn like say in the middle of the night you may be able to shut some down and spread across fewer
   -: mkb looks angrily at IPMI
   mercutio: of course that'd be using centralised storage
   <br> and the centralised storage will still be pretty power hungry
   mkb: and the power companies negotiate with power-heavy industry to do the work at odd times to keep load so they don't have to bring plants on and offline
   mercutio: yeah
   mkb: I wonder if they'll start or have started doing the same with datacenters
   mercutio: and hot water is the same frequently
   <br> well google were talking about shifting load in europe
   <br> i think tehy have a data centre in iceland or thereabouts
   mkb: google is in a fight here in south carolina because they're using so muchwater
   mercutio: haha
   <br> we have water issues here too
   <br> by people bottling water of all things
   <br> we pay heaps more for water than people bottling
   <br> acutally i think california had water fights too?
   mkb: it's interesting how that differs around the world
   <br> yeah
   mercutio: from farmers using way too much water
   <br> while everyone else was meant to conserve water
   mkb: some places it's plentiful and nobody is concerned at all and in others there's huge fights over who's using it
   mercutio: when their conservation made hardly any difference compared to farmers that were farming water-intensive things
   <br> when for things like farming you can do it in a different location for different crops.
   <br> globalisation creates so many issues
   <br> but it makes some things work a lot better if everyone would stop fighting and embrace it
   mkb: and our farmers get to deal with flooding
   <br> though supposedly we're in a drought too
   mercutio: instead of sticking trade tarrifs on and trying to stay local for inefficient things
   <br> subsidising inefficiency etc
   <br> droughts can cause flooding
   <br> as the ground becomes hard
   mkb: this was a storm
   mercutio: if you get a months downpour in one day
   <br> with no rain before
   mkb: ah right
   mercutio: the ground will be hard and won't drain nearly as well
   <br> whereas if it's spaced out it'll be soft and absorb more
   <br> also roads will become more oily and slippery when it hasn't rained in a long time
   <br> so you have to be extra careful about stopping distance, which no-one is.  so you have to assume that everyone is crazy :)
   <br> i love/hate driving in the rain here
   <br> people get extra impatient, and drive quicker
   mkb: heh
   mercutio: and like say someone is crossing the road, and you're stopped at lights, then someone behind is more likely to beep
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