***: Tsesarevich has joined #arpnetworks perlgod: has anyone here switched from a VPS
to Thunder? i saw the convo taking place above, curious if anyone else has experience. been trying to get a thunder instance provisioned since monday up_the_irons: perlgod: they have
perlgod: we've had a bunch of things going on and almost sold out of those, but I promise you will get yours :) perlgod: it seems like an awesome offering, im excited to try it out. my metal server i've had for the past ~year has been awesome, but i don't really *need* a dedicated bare metal server
and arp is about the only place i can run freebsd decently :) ***: ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)
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mkb has joined #arpnetworks JC_Denton: is metal actually going to go away? the phrasing on the site seems to imply that it might. BryceBot: Seriously guys, are we not doing phrasing anymore? JC_Denton: -_- up_the_irons: JC_Denton: no, we don't intend to phase it out, because bare metal are still in demand. I aim to please.
it's just that, market conditions are changing and we're seeing more people going for lower priced semi-dedi offerings
and that's one reason we created Thunder
and the fact that HD failures at 2AM, for example, pleased absolutely nobody perlgod: why is it that thunder seems to be priced much lower than your VPS offerings, despite offering way more RAM and HD?
from the description, seems like its a better product than a VPS, unless im missing something up_the_irons: because we simply haven't updated our VPS prices recently
like the top 2 tiers need to go away, b/c Thunder is better
and then need to drop the low end probably, like to $5
and so VPS services would become the lower bracket of the market, like how everyone else is doing it
I'm open to commentary on that
In fact I'd really like to know how it is viewed from a customer point of view... I've only ever seen it from my end -: brycec is open to saving money :p brycec: (I'm happy to give my feedback, just a bit busy atm) mhoran_: Do I get the Thunder features (like, migration to another VPS host) with my VPS? Or should I upgrade to Thunder? (Also, data loss protection, etc.) ***: BryceBot has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
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perlgod_ has joined #arpnetworks up_the_irons: take your time :) ***: sjackso_ has joined #arpnetworks mhoran: Did my message come through? I just got disconnected. ***: perlgod has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) perlgod_: i dont think so. mhoran: Do I get the Thunder features (like, migration to another VPS host) with my VPS? Or should I upgrade to Thunder? (Also, data loss protection, etc.) perlgod_: i also got d/c'd up_the_irons: having some IPv6 issues atm it seems... ***: mhoran_ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
sjackso has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) perlgod_: and on that note, my thunder server is now available! will let yall know how it goes brycec: I will note that I know qbit is looking to move to cheaper options -- he really likes ARP but money... So VPS price-drop will probably be welcome. up_the_irons: mhoran: depends if your vps is on our new cluster or not (kvrXX hosts are legacy cluster) mhoran: Ah. Both mine are on kvr. up_the_irons: mhoran: if on new cluster, you will get the same features as Thunder, just not dedicated cores and such mhoran: Ooh, neat. ***: BryceBot has joined #arpnetworks qbit: woo
yeah up_the_irons: got dr. appt now, bbiab... qbit: price drop ftw - i would much prefer to give you my monies brycec: (I had a major SSH lag spike just then too, and clearly BryceBot got d/c'd) qbit: gl mercutio: brycec: are you still having issues? HAS_A_BANANA: Happening this very second (which is weird because I got your question but that's over ipv6 too...) qbit: brycec: i had one too (right when i said "price drop..."
mine isn't happening now though mhoran: Oh, it looks like my ipv6 is down. mercutio: yeah i had a mtr to s3.lax over ipv6
and suddenly saw issues starting HAS_A_BANANA: (My SSH is "hung". My Matrix-IRC bridge is working, but both are IPv6) mercutio: and it was fine prior
so i was curious, cos i couldn't see anything weird mhoran: Yeah, my cacti emailed me saying it couldn't reach my home but it can't reach anywhere so I don't think it's my home that's broken. mike-burns: I hope your home is OK. ***: CoBryceMatrixBot has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
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HAS_A_BANANA has joined #arpnetworks vom: hello all - any kind of issues with ipv6 right now ? specifically through cogent ? mhoran: Native v6. ***: awyeah is now known as awyeah-afk
KDE_Perry has joined #arpnetworks mhoran: But I can't even ping6 google.com from my VPS. mike-burns: Lots of issues with v6 right now, vom . vom: mike-burns: thanks ***: up_the_irons has joined #arpnetworks
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Yippers. brycec: Short answer: Yes, IPv6 issues. mercutio: mike-burns: yes ***: sjackso has joined #arpnetworks
tellnes has joined #arpnetworks mercutio: is anyone still experiencing issues with ipv6?
for some reason i can't ping6 google.com still, but i can curl -6 it mkb: from arp I can ping6 google.com but the ping time is 300ms
from here I can ping6 google.com in 18ms mercutio: yeah i wonder if it's picking a weird route for that
curl -6v seemed to be fast
but that could just be cos it's short page..
heh from home i have 315 msec ping to google
cos i'm using he.net tunnel in CA, but dns wants traffic to hit sydney mkb: I had a couple redirects and it looked like 300 ms each but I probably can't judge that short of a time mercutio: you know, google is only high ping for me after 2001:4860::8:0:7a19
which seems to be in their network mkb: this is weird mercutio: so seems to be that it's pointing somewehre very odd mkb: my first ping to google was
traceroute6 to google.com (2607:f8b0:4004:802::200e), 64 hops max, 60 byte packets
then a dns lookup got
2404:6800:4003:c00::65 mercutio: you have dns on google?
i'd kind of like to know the location of these mkb: (the second is apnic at least) mercutio: 2001:4860 is google i assume mkb: these are both from arp mercutio: CIDR: 2001:4860::/32
NetName: GOOGLE-IPV6
yeh
so it's going into the google network with low ping
2607:f8b0:4007:800::2004
try mtr to that
that's pinging as well
but 2404:6800:4003:c00::63 won't ping
4003:c00 being the constant part ***: Lefty has joined #arpnetworks Lefty: hey up_the_irons - was talking to brycec in another channel re: pricing ***: mkb has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) qbit: :D
backtask ***: perlgod has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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mkb has joined #arpnetworks qbit: looks like ima migrate all my things to a thunder kajigger
are there any coupon codes i should know about? >.> mercutio: cool -: qbit tries "ILOVEYOUARP" mercutio: hah
i dunno, check WHT? qbit: awww
wht? mercutio: webhostingtalk
i found a post about thunder, but i can't se any coupon codes.
see qbit: samezies
so brycec said I can run proxmox on thiese thunderboxin, is he just blowing smoke up my skirt? HAS_A_BANANA: qbit: http://irclogger.arpnetworks.com/irclogger_log/arpnetworks?date=2017-03-08,Wed&sel=24#l20
I asked and up_the_irons answered ;)
(That conversation will probably answer most technical questions, I thin.)
*think.) -: brycec is HAS_A_BANANA for anyone that hasn't put 2 and 2 together qbit: yis
thanks brycNANA brycec: :D HAS_A_BANANA: 😀 brycec: On a related note, up_the_irons never did answer http://irclogger.arpnetworks.com/irclogger_log/arpnetworks?date=2017-03-11,Sat&sel=10#l6 qbit: also, you never gave me porn access, brycec ! brycec: qbit: citation needed qbit: http://irclogger.arpnetworks.com/irclogger_log/arpnetworks?date=2017-03-08,Wed&sel=90#l86
:D
logs containing links to logs.... mind blown up_the_irons: Thunder hosts are direct into the Ceph cluster. That's how Ceph works. That's why I didn't answer. Irrelevant question. ;) qbit: someone make a pdf of logs that contain the logs, where the pdf can run and spit out the logs! up_the_irons: Omg 🙈 BryceBot: That's what she said!! qbit: BryceBot: no BryceBot: Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'Omg 🙈' qbit: :D brycec: qbit: I'd like to point out that I stated that I'm _not_ serving porn... Nor did I ever promise to give you access to any porn :P -: qbit re-reads qbit: nope.. phraising is all kattywompus - still sounds like you are serving porn!
"what aren't I doing", followed by a list of things.. brycec: > Q: What aren't I doing?
> A: Serving porn qbit: toolate, you will forever be serving porn in my mind
"Success!" -: qbit becomes Torqbit qbit: cuz, you knwo - i just ordered a thunderthinger mercutio: thunder thinger?
where did thinger come from brycec: It's an abomination of "thing" up_the_irons: funny, the order comes out to 14gb of ram, such a weird number
6+8 mercutio: why didn't he just order a 16gb instance?
i suppose 14 is prob cheaper qbit: 10 USD less :D up_the_irons: from the scrollback.. no there are no coupon codes for Thunder
you can in fact run Proxmox, sure qbit: radical up_the_irons: one of our beta customers used Proxmox a lot and reported good things qbit: sweet JC_Denton: re: cheaper, low end VPS pricing. no complaints here if the bottom end is reduced slightly. though i probably should discontinue my VPS when I have metal. i just keep it around for surety sake. qbit: i am just excited to consolidate all my things to one place BryceBot: That's what she said!! qbit: BryceBot: maybe mhoran: Yeah I want to do that too...
More jails! brycec: up_the_irons: One more question -- Can adding RAM be done "hot" or does it require a full kvm process stop/start?
^ Thunder up_the_irons: brycec: memballoon is active on them, so theoretically should be able to be done "hot", but i've never actually tried it brycec: haha, gotcha mercutio: i think by default memballoon allows you to reduce memory but not expand
as the maximum has to be predetermined/raised to balloon up to
so linux would see the extra ram as reserved or such brycec: In my relatively limited experience, the relevant feature is called "memory hotplug" and uses NUMA features to add/remove "dimms"
And balloon is basically what merc described, essentially a means of over-provisioning RAM. up_the_irons: shows you how much I know about hot plugging RAM mercutio: https://rwmj.wordpress.com/2010/07/17/virtio-balloon/
maxMemory (or just <memory>) is the memory allocated at boot time to a guest. KVM and Xen guests currently cannot exceed this. currentMemory controls what memory you’re requesting to give to the guest’s applications. The balloon fills the rest of the memory and gives it back to the host for the host to use elsewhere. brycec: And what I know about memory hotplug https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Hotplug_(qemu_disk,nic,cpu,memory) mercutio: so yeah, the guest would need to be set in advance to have a higher memory setting,with a reduced currentmemory Lefty: up_the_irons: so I currently pay $35 (plus a few more for IPs) for an old old plan - if I want to go up to the $40 plan to get the better hardware, can my existing disk/install be kept?
I think my plan is from 2009 or 2010, heh
don't mind taking a bit of downtime on that machine to facilitate as well, doesn't have to be live brycec: Lefty: There's no migration for your current disk (which we're assuming is on the old kvr* hosts), so you'd be handling that yourself. Fortunately, that's pretty easy to do (boot both in Clonezilla and copy across the VLAN) Lefty: kvr13 rings a bell brycec: The alternative would be kct* and those are only about ~1 year old Lefty: I can check in a bit -: brycec is on kct03 :D mercutio: there is migration
but it's not live brycec: That being said, I don't know if there's any disk migration if you're on a kct* node, only that when asked before about kvr* -> Thunder, the answer was something like a "no"
maybe that was it mercutio: normal course of action is to send a ticket in brycec: Asked: http://irclogger.arpnetworks.com/irclogger_log/arpnetworks?date=2017-03-10,Fri&sel=4#l0 Answered-ish: http://irclogger.arpnetworks.com/irclogger_log/arpnetworks?date=2017-03-11,Sat&sel=1#l-3
(answer being "depends on the host")
And the rest of the answer http://irclogger.arpnetworks.com/irclogger_log/arpnetworks?date=2017-03-13,Mon&sel=2#l-2 mercutio: so yeah, kvr to kct, kct to thunder..
the non live migration isn't that onerous though
it just means longer down time
that said, sometimes it can be nice to start with a clean slate, and migrate data
especially if behind on OS versions, adn wanting to test things before moving across. up_the_irons: wherever your current stuff is, we can migrate it. it takes some downtime though.
basically what mercutio said Lefty: So just a support ticket requesting the change in plan, and specifying that data migration will be attempted? mercutio: yeh basically ***: mkb has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) Lefty: thanks all
it's telling that I haven't had to think about this VPS for oh, five years or so
it just works :) mercutio: heh Lefty: submitted.
interestingly I'm on kct03, so I must have been migrated off the kvr host some time ago mercutio: that means you shouldn't have a long downtiem Lefty: yay! ***: mkb has joined #arpnetworks
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