up_the_irons: Happy Invoice Day :-) nathani: thank you :) It's also mailman day, when I'm reminded that I'm subscribed to far too many mailing lists. a.k.a. e-mail your passwords in cleartext day indeed which means they are somewhere that can be stolen at least, the number of websites that confirm my password in the clear in a followup email has been rapidly reducing. s/rapidly/generally/ at least, the number of websites that confirm my password in the clear in a followup email has been generally reducing. lol @ mailman day email in the clear if both ends have poorly configured mail servers though i suppose at rest is still at risk i have never consdiered mailing lists passwords to be secure it's just for maintaining i think pretending they're secure is worse 100% agree and mailman has had its share of CVEs in the past