#arpnetworks 2017-01-06,Fri

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nylund.freenode.net sets mode: +o mercutio
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up_the_ironsnathani: godaddy wasn't around either, yeah
we go back to 1999
man i was only 19... why did i think starting a hosting company was a good idea, lol...
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nathaniwhat is something you would have done differently looking back now? [01:03]
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nathanitucows acuired the domain registration portion of Melbourne IT - almost 2 million domains
s/acuired/acquired
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BryceBot<nathani> tucows acquired the domain registration portion of Melbourne IT - almost 2 million domains [01:07]
nathaniping BryceBot [01:08]
up_the_ironsnathani: no, not really, i've really enjoyed running this company. been far from easy, but way rewarding. [01:11]
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when one does a tcpdump on an interface with a lot of traffic, is it normal to see dropped packets
?
Like:
81465 packets received by filter
73025 packets dropped by kernel
Like that seems awfully high
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brycecup_the_irons: normal? Yes. Is that high? also yes.
nathani: from where I'm sitting, BryceBot had replied to your s// within 1 second. https://www.dropbox.com/s/pmvnxijyymtmed8/screenshot_2017-01-06_08-54-09.png?dl=0
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BryceBotDropbox photo: "https://www.dropbox.com/s/pmvnxijyymtmed8/screenshot_2017-01-06_08-54-09.png?dl=0" [08:54]
brycecnathani: unless of you were looking for the @ping command :) (or really, any self-returning command. I prefer @uptime)
@uptime bot
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BryceBotBot uptime: 3 days, 22 hours, 51 minutes, and 57 seconds. [08:55]
brycec(Could BryceBot be faster? For sure. But then it wouldn't be written in PHP which was the whole exercise... an exercise in sadomasochism.) [08:55]
RandalSchwartzNext version in InterCal? :) [08:59]
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brycecUnlikely :P
(Ruby is my language of choice these days, so it would probably be in Ruby if I rewrote it.)
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mercutioi think most of the lag comes from irc rather than the bot [09:33]
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brycecmercutio: Quite right, but there's still up to 1 second of lag in the bot because it's single-threaded [10:02]
mercutio1 second seems a lot
s/1/one/
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BryceBot<mercutio> one second seems a lot [10:03]
mercutiothat's pretty quick to me still [10:03]
brycecThere's a lot for the bot to do in its service loop - checking on channels, getting responses, etc [10:03]
mercutiois parsing slow?
just do it in c! :)
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brycecBut that completely defeats the very purpose for BryceBot -- to see if I could duplicate qbit's bot using purely PHP [10:04]
mercutioahh [10:04]
brycec(Which, btw, I did with great success and continued to add features to it)
It's now something of a Frankenstein's monster :)
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qbitexcept your bot only does irc, mine does all the chats :D
nbdjs
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brycecBut no, lag isn't typically 1 second, but it can get up that high if it's waiting on a database lookup, or an https request.
qbit: Mine does Telegram too :P
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qbitfor small values of "does"
i would say it "lurks" :P
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brycecI lost interest before fulling implementing it :P [10:07]
qbituuhuh [10:07]
mercutiodid you update to the new php? [10:07]
brycec@version
version:
brycec smacks BryceBot
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qbithaha [10:07]
brycec(clearly I don't remember my own bot's commands) [10:07]
mercutioi didn't think of waiting on db lookup
does php not have non blocking db lookups?
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brycecNot really, definitely not in the MySQL libs [10:08]
BryceBotThat's what she said!! [10:08]
brycecAnd BryceBot wasn't written with that degree of async in mind [10:08]
mercutioahh [10:09]
qbitmy bot is in node, so i had no choice
h9 node
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brycec(Fun fact: http requests are non-blocking because BryceBot has its own scheduler and I can make semi-async requests. But https is much harder to do "by hand" so I never bothered.) [10:09]
mercutioi love async coding
or i more i should say i hate synchronous/blocking
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brycecBut to keep those https and other high-latency lookups from consuming the bot's time, I have a small number of http endpoints for the bot so it can make an easy http request and come back later, leaving the sync handling to a web server. [10:10]
mercutiothe problem comes when doing async stuff is you find this or that can block
even though it's normally fast
like dns...
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brycecAnyways, suffice to say, BryceBot is inefficient and ought to be rewritten. Someday. [10:11]
mercutioif everything is cached it's sweet, if it's not everything else can stop [10:11]
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nathaniqbit, what other chats are there? Slack? ICQ? FB Messenger? Whatsapp? Google Chat? Hangouts? Skype? [12:53]
qbitnathani: matrix/riot, telegram, xmpp
are the ones my bot specifically supports
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nathaniis your bot in here? [12:53]
qbitnope [12:53]
nathanirather where can your bot be found? [12:53]
qbit#devious
https://github.com/qbit/mcchunkie
and there
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nathaniis there a list of supported commands [12:56]
qbithalf implemented one via the help command
best bet is looking in the plugins directory
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BryceBotThat's what she said!! [12:58]
qbitBryceBot: no [12:58]
BryceBotOh, okay... I'm sorry. 'best bet is looking in the plugins directory' [12:58]
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brycecAll these people always demanding lists of commands and capabilities, sheesh :p [15:25]
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RandalSchwartzI've been hacking FreeBSD for years now, and just today learned about sysrc! [17:33]
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brycecTo be fair, sysrc hasn't been around /that/ long
only since 9.2
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sorresseanRandalSchwartz: I learned about sysrc the other day too.
I just edit all the things.
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nathani@google sysrc [20:06]
BryceBot1,570 total results returned for 'sysrc', here's 3
sysrc (https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=sysrc) DESCRIPTION The sysrc utility retrieves rc.conf(5) variables from the collection of system rc files and allows processes with appropriate privilege to change ...
How to control and setup service? (https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2015-August/048178.html) Aug 27, 2015 ... Or realize them because it can be useful for such tools like > service(8), sysrc(8) or even your_new_tool(8), and code written once > would not ...
FreeBSD Quarterly Status Report (https://www.freebsd.org/news/status/report-2013-04-2013-06.html) Userland Programs. bsdconfig(8) and sysrc(8); bsnmpd(1) Support in hastd(8); Capsicum; LLDB Debugger Port. Ports. FreeBSD Haskell Ports; GNOME/ ...
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JC_Dentonup_the_irons: idea for trello: 2fa for the customer portal
/1
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