#arpnetworks 2017-01-01,Sun

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RandalSchwartzcloudflare seems to have had a major outage that started *precisely* at the leap second. I wonder if SSL has "this is from the future" coding checks?
I know it blew up some of the connections to ziprecruiter machines for quite a few hours
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dneseems likely - https://github.com/golang/go/issues/12914 [09:37]
RandalSchwartzI know internal to zip, they were seeing the upstream ntp suddenly being one second back
admittedly, many of the internal ntpd could have used an upgrade in the past few years. :)
I can't recall if "one second" is still within the slew range
I know there's some threshold where it will basically give up. I gotta think it's more like a minute
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mhoranUgh that fucking golang thread is absurd.
The community is so terrible and why is documented right there.
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mercutioso is that why google was doing smearing? [13:16]
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mhoranHa. [13:43]
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nathanistaticsafe: how are you liking the new fibe/fiber [14:25]
staticsafeim liking it a lot [14:25]
nathanistill going through the Mikrotik PPPoE Client
or using the mikrotik strictly for Layer 2 and let the HH3000 do the NAT?
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up_the_ironsmhoran: you find the golang community terrible? (I know nothing of it, so that's why I'm asking...) [15:06]
mhoranyeah. We write/maintain a lot of go at Pivotal/Cloud Foundry. I hate it. [15:08]
nathaniup_the_irons: Happy Invoice Day / New Year / Congratulations on the new auto provisioning VMs
s/New/Happy New
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BryceBot<nathani> up_the_irons: Happy Invoice Day / Happy New Year / Congratulations on the new auto provisioning VMs [15:13]
mercutionathani: did you see that bbr is in linux 4.9 now? [15:16]
nathaninope
you have a link to the release notes?
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mercutioit'll be on kernelnewbies probably [15:17]
nathanigithub or whatever [15:17]
mercutiolinux doesn't have proper release notes
oh it's not there yet
/lib/modules/4.9.0-1-ARCH/kernel/net/ipv4/tcp_bbr.ko.gz
it's in there heh :)
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nathanihttps://github.com/torvalds/linux/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=bbr [15:19]
mercutiocool [15:20]
nathaniThe PDF if anyone is interested: https://mnathani.com/bbr/BBR-Congestion-Based%20Congestion%20Control.pdf [15:20]
up_the_ironsnathani: thanks!!
mhoran: ah interesting
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mhoranAnd I personally disagree with a lot of the core tenets of the language. [15:21]
up_the_ironsmhoran: is it like OpenBSD bad, hipster bad, or...? ;)
ah
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mhoranGoogle bad. [15:22]
up_the_ironsaaah [15:22]
mhoranThey don't believe in shared libraries, mostly copy and pasting code and sticking to what's in the core lib. It works for Google where they maintain all their code and have subject matter experts on everything they maintain, but doesn't work for smaller organizations that utilize open source and leverage other communities.
Package/code management is terrible, and constantly changing since there's no clear direction (and Google doesn't use it so it's not maintained well.)
Statically linked binaries are huge and pull in the whole world for the sake of portability (which is nice, but see shared libraries above).
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mercutioeww [15:23]
mhoranAnd then there's naming practices. Single letter variables all over the place, and hard to read, spaghetti code.
For highly concurrent systems that are complicated and need high throughput,it's OK. But for everyday programming, I miss Ruby.
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mercutioare you working at google or something? [15:24]
mhoranhttps://medium.com/@octskyward/modern-garbage-collection-911ef4f8bd8e#.lktwkvmat -- here's a great article about some other FUD around GC in Go. [15:24]
mercutioGC is what put me off D [15:25]
mhoranmercutio: Pivotal, we work on Cloud Foundry which is mainly written in Go. [15:25]
up_the_ironsmhoran: oh man that sounds terrible; i'm sorry to hear that [15:25]
mhoranGo has a lot of promise and then is just so disappointing. [15:25]
up_the_ironsmhoran: i knew about the shared library thing... i mean, having a single binary that can be copied around systems, dependent-less, is kinda one of their "things" [15:25]
mhoranyeah.
And for Google it works great! Or so I hear. But I haven't seen it work well.
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up_the_ironsyeah [15:26]
RandalSchwartz... https://blog.cloudflare.com/how-and-why-the-leap-second-affected-cloudflare-dns/ [15:37]
Google probably has enough disk and bandwidth that they can copy the world bundled with each of their binaries without issue.
I'm surprised they didn't just implement containers that bundle the world for each app... oh wait...
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mhoranYep [17:12]
mercutioever since amos had huge executables on amiga back in the day i've had pet grudges over executable size..
it doesn't slow things down as much when you have demand paging, but it just seems so wrong
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chatterhey guys
allah is doing
sun is not doing allah is doing
to accept Islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger
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JC_Dentonoh, to have ops... [17:27]
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nathaniany one else having issues viewing ssl certificate details using chrome?
they seem to have removed the option completely
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mercutiowow it is confusing
i see what you mean
there's probably a way ,lnot sure how yet though
just press fa12
f12
go to security
and view certificate is under there
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nathanicool
thanks
dont need to use firefox for that task anymore :-)
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mercutioi had to guess my way there [19:11]
nathanipretty sure it was an oversight on their part though [19:12]
mercutioi dunno [19:12]
nathaniF1, F2, F3, .. F12 ? [19:12]
mercutiofinding out site passowrds got harder before
i think sometimes they just don't want to make some of these things too easy
f12 is the normal debugging mode
there's other cool stuff in there too
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nathaniright [19:12]
mike-burnsOh rad, instant provisioning! [19:19]
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mhoranYeah, for some reason Chrome removed the extremely accessible cert information modal and combined it with the confusing for people who aren't web programmers inspector widget...
Which seems ... really bad for security.
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mercutiothey also say not secure when you enter a password on non encrypted site now [19:42]
mike-burnsThat's a nice feature. [19:43]
mercutioi always consider websites that ask for a password insecure
there's been so many big leaks...
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mike-burnsI consider it completely insecure to give my password to another person/company, including a Web site. I think we're in agreement there.
https://twitter.com/mikeburns/status/529369409941680128 - this was my prediction in 2014!
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BryceBotTWITTER: Browsers might as well render password fields like text fields when the form action is non-HTTPS. And even then ... (Mon Nov 03 20:27:57 +0000 2014) [19:44]
mercutioi think some kind of generic login that isn't associated with facebook etc would be nice
preferably one that can't link back to you, so much as ensure you are legit
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mike-burnsRight, just some simply public/private keypair thing. [19:45]
mercutiolike if you have two sites, and use some kind of sahred login system the sites shouldn't be able to identify you as the same person [19:45]
mike-burnsI also question "logging in" to Web sites as a general concept, but that's neither here nor there.
I don't care about SSO so much as public/private keypair. I'm fine with a new keypair for each service.
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mercutioi tend to just hav chrome remember passwords for me [19:46]
mike-burnsI use a password manager. [19:46]
mercutiobut as soon as i'm not in front of chrome i don't have any idea what my password is for most of those [19:46]
mike-burnsYeah a password manager helps with that. [19:46]
mercutiowell atm there are so many not very important things that want logins
like logins for online shopping basically
and whenever possible i pay with paypal
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mike-burnsAnd hosted email service, if you use one of those. [19:47]
mercutioas bad as it is
at least it means i don't have to worry about sites having my credit card #
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mike-burnsYeah I also don't like entering my CC number into a Web site -- especially a non-CC Web site.
Like, I'd rather enter my CC # into visa.com than into, I dunno, gilt.com.
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mercutioyeah
although i still am hesitiant about americanexpress
hah
i had credit card fraud on my credit card and they rung me up from a blocked phone number
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mike-burnsIf only someone made a public/private keypair for payment that wasn't also criticized as being only used by criminals. [19:48]
mercutioand wanted me to say my credit card # etc [19:48]
mike-burnsThat's bold. [19:48]
mercutioit was legit
but like there was no other communication method in line with it
i got a reference number from them and went through their avr
but that again seems like one of those areas that needs to be improved
like if a company wants to validate me, how do i validate them first?
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mike-burnsWe, as a culture of engineers, sure have built a lot of phishing-friendly products, from phones to emails and beyond. [19:50]
mercutiowell most geeks have known about social engineering for ages.
"what's your password?" :)
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mike-burnsWe just think we've above it.
Or that it's a problem that can be solved later.
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mercutiobut lots of people are trusting [19:50]
mike-burnsOr busy. [19:51]
mercutiotrue
it was a pita going through the avr
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mike-burnsYeah I bet. [19:51]
BryceBotThat's what she said!! [19:51]
mercutioi wish there was a way to shortcut it
like you should just be able to press 0
then type in a 12 digit number or something
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mike-burnsThey should have a phone number that you call them on, agreed upon ahead of time. [19:51]
mercutioit's on your credit card [19:52]
mike-burnsRight. [19:52]
mercutiobut you still have to put in heaps of details etc [19:52]
mike-burnsOh I see. [19:52]
mercutioand go through annoying avr
and wait in queue
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mike-burnsIn Sweden I used a public/private keypair to auth with my bank. That was nice. [19:52]
mercutiowow [19:52]
mike-burnsBankID. Unpleasant software, but a great idea. [19:52]
mercutioi can download my transactions in csv
going back years
i thought that was normal. but apparently some banks don't make that that easy.
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mike-burnsLots of legacy software and arbitrary restrictions. [19:53]
mercutioand some will only go back two years or something
banking just got improved recently here, so that you can normally transfer money between banks within an hour
it used to be overnight. now that was a legacy system...
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mike-burnsYeah, using tapes physically mailed to banks or something. [19:55]
mercutioi think they used to use isdn [19:55]
mike-burnshttp://www.npr.org/sections/money/2013/10/04/229224964/episode-489-the-invisible-plumbing-of-our-economy - this MP3 talked about it, IIRC. [19:56]
mercutioi wouldn't be suprised if they use the interne tnow.. [19:56]
mike-burnsI would be surprised if a US bank used any recent technology. [19:56]
mercutiowell i'm not in the US.. [19:56]
mike-burnsAh, right. Then maybe! [19:57]
mercutiook i'm going to have to watch that
err listen?
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mike-burnshttp://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=229224964 - here's some words. [19:57]
mercutioon that note, i've been searching for ages, and still have no idea what the best way to listen to music at gym is ..
which could include podcasts
i kind of thought stuff would have improved by now.
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mike-burnsThat'd be a great subtitle for a documentary about the year 2016. [19:58]
mercutiothe easiest seems to be bluetooth watch with music playing with bluetooth headphones
which would be fine for podcasts
but not so good for music
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RandalSchwartzI got my friend a Bose QC20 for his gymwork
he's now pretty happy with it
not bluetooth... but the noise cancelling is amazing even in a gym
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mercutiodamn they're expensive :) [20:04]
up_the_ironsmike-burns: yeah, VMs without an OS (blank) are now instant; we're working feverishly to also get the OS part done by Feb. [20:05]
RandalSchwartzI think they may even exceed the classic Bose I bought (twice) ear-clamps that I had years ago [20:05]
mercutioi found there's this cool alternative firmware for mp3 players.
i have a feeling that wires are going to be annoying
but i probably should experiment with my old phone
xduoo x3 is my current idea
then using big clunky headphones
but where to put it!
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BryceBotThat's what she said!! [20:06]
mercutiothere's this alternative firmware called rockbox, and that's one of the only current mp3 players it works with.. there are some older models that are hard to get now like sandisk clip which would be more convenient.. [20:08]
nathaniI use a classic iPod
they discontinued the product in favour of smaller flash based devices and the iPod touch
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mercutioclassic ipod actually works with rockbox too
ipods are stupidly expensive second hadn here
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nathaniyea [20:22]
mercutioand the batteries are likely to die on old ones bought now
it's cheaper to buy a new xduoo x3
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nathani@google xduoo x3 [20:22]
BryceBot15,800 total results returned for 'xduoo x3', here's 3
The xDuoo X3 DAP now has a fully functional Rockbox port. Here ... (https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/4c2u3a/the_xduoo_x3_dap_now_has_a_fully_functional/) Mar 26, 2016 ... Hello guys. I have been immensely enjoying my xDuoo X3 DAP and thought I would share my experience now that the player has received a ...
XDUOO X3 HiFi Lossless Music Player MP3-92.81 Online Shopping ... (http://www.gearbest.com/mp3-mp4-players/pp_440370.html) Just US$92.81 + free shipping, buy XDUOO X3 HiFi Lossless Music Player MP3 online shopping at GearBest.com.
XDUOO® X3 Mini HI-FI Music Player JZ4760B Chip 24bit: Amazon ... (https://www.amazon.co.uk/XDUOO%C2%AE-JZ4760B-Lossless-Supports-Formats/dp/B017K9XVX6) XDUOO® X3 Mini HI-FI Music Player JZ4760B Chip 24bit/192khz HD format Audio Player Lossless Music Player Silver Supports MP3 WMA APE FLAC WAV ...
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nathani@google Rockbox [20:23]
BryceBot162,000 total results returned for 'Rockbox', here's 3
Rockbox - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockbox) Rockbox is a free and open-source software replacement for the OEM firmware in various forms of digital audio players (DAPs) with an original kernel. It offers ...
Rockbox Technical Forums - Index (http://forums.rockbox.org/) Welcome to the Rockbox Technical Forums! Thank You for your continued support and contributions! Rockbox Ports are now being developed for various digital ...
Rock Box | Japanese style karaoke | Capitol Hill, Seattle (http://www.rockboxseattle.com/) Rock Box is a Japanese style karaoke lounge in Capitol Hill, Seattle with full bar. Sing and drink with your friends in a private room or karaoke box!
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mercutioxduoo has annoying firmware [20:23]
nathanihmm, so I can convert my iPod to a Rockbox? [20:23]
mercutioyes
like there's a second gap between songs
rather than seemless playing from track to track
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nathaniwhats the advantage over the iPod firmware [20:23]
mercutioi haven't seen the ipod firmware
but it has quick previous/next etc
eq
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nathaniis it stable? [20:24]
mercutioi'm not an expert on it though
some devices can dual boot
it's really old so should be
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nathaniI have had to use iTunes with the iPod
which is a huge resource hog
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mercutiooh
yeah that problem should go away :)
you should be able to play flac etc too
you can drag and drop songs to it
it acts like a drive
people keep talking about flac support when googling hah
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nathanihow does it deal with creating / modifying playlists [20:28]
mercutiolong press
that's as much as i know
i haven't tried it yet
i don't have a mp3 player :)
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nathanihttps://support.apple.com/content/dam/edam/applecare/images/en_US/ipod/ipodclassic/psp-hero-ipodclassic.png
ahh
thats the iPod classic I have
is Spotify available in NZ ?
you could use your Samsung if it is
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mercutioi don't want to use my normal phone in gym
sounds way too dangerous
well i was initially
but now i don't :)
i have a moto g too though
i'd rather use proper headphones though
i hate those in ear things
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nathaniwhats the danger? drops and such? [20:32]
mercutioyeah [20:32]
nathaniget a rugged case :-) [20:32]
mercutiowell there's still the issue of it being bulky and not fitting in pockets of gym clothes that easily
i was considering getting a gear fit 2
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nathaniiPod touch sells arm bands [20:33]
mercutiowhich has music playing
using bluetooth to bluetooth headphones
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nathanimy brother just bought a fitbit charge [20:33]
mercutiofitbit charge doesn't have music
my brother has a fitbit charge
all of the herat rate things seem non ideal
none of them are responsive enough to work well with HIIT
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nathaniI used to have a watch that measured heart rate [20:34]
mercutiowhich is where heart rate is most important
yeah i think it'd be fun to see what my heart rate over the day is
and it'd be nice if i could get notifications from my phone
not sure what range is like though
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nathaniI got an A on my new Wildcard SSL Install: https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=graphs.winvive.com&s=67.227.192.97&latest [23:16]
mercutioyou may want to enable HSTS
are you going to try and get A+?
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nathanimercutio: do you know if it can be set globally in Apache? [23:40]
mercutioi've never enabled it in apache
so i have no idea
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nathanidoes the test give suggestions on how to improve [23:41]
mercutioi'd do it per site generally though [23:41]
nathaniso I can try to get A+ [23:41]
mercutioi'm not sure, i didn't see it..
somewhere should say how to improve it
so you do want to try for the A+? :)
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nathaniprobably get the folks at liquidweb to do it
its a managed box
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mercutiomanaged hah [23:42]
nathanithey need to be told what to do and then they do it
so semi-managed I guess
no proactive stuff
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mercutioahh
https://raymii.org/s/tutorials/Strong_SSL_Security_On_Apache2.html#HTTP_Strict_Transport_Security
maybe this would help you
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nathanithanks [23:55]

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