#arpnetworks 2016-12-22,Thu

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plettnathani: Well, "Fenster" would be German for window [01:44]
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qbitany of you able to get to deftly.net? [09:35]
mercutionope
it just hangs loading
i can mtr it
it's a web page i assume? 		[09:36]
qbitya
i can see traffic coming in, so something I did busted it
like nginx isn't spawning workers 		[09:39]
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brycecs/64/640/
deftly.net works for me (granted it's 20 minutes later)
sorressean: There is a meter at graphs.arpnetworks.com
s/no any/know any/ 		[09:58]
qbit:P
yeah, turns out if you chown the chroot dir, it gets pissy :D 		[10:01]
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brycecAw that's a bummer. According to https://www.google.com/transparencyreport/safebrowsing/malware/ there is a non-zero number of infected ARP-hosted (AS 25795) customers. [11:00]
mercutioenzu is big hah
hah, it's nothing compared to enzu. they may all be on one vps even
it sems tehy should scan more often 		[11:02]
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Crazie_http://irclogger.arpnetworks.com/irclogger_log/arpnetworks?date=2010-09-12,Sun&raw=on
2010!!!!!!!!
6 years 		[11:34]
mike-burnsIs that a lot or a little? [11:40]
mhoranI'd say medium. [11:40]
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staticsafenathani: https://www.dropbox.com/s/kfxu1mzh7dtm61s/2016-12-22%2017.30.52.jpg?dl=0 this arrived in the mail today [14:33]
BryceBotDropbox photo: "https://www.dropbox.com/s/kfxu1mzh7dtm61s/2016-12-22%2017.30.52.jpg?dl=0" [14:34]
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brycec"Fibe" they can't even spell fibre right in the letterhead
Or it's supposed to be their marketing name/trademark, which may actually be worse and more annoying. 		[15:04]
staticsafebrycec: Fibe is the marketing term
brycec: in some areas 'Fibe' isn't even FTTH, maybe just FTTN and then copper to home 		[15:07]
brycecFTTN is better than nothing, but...
"Fibe" just looks like a bad misspelling, dammit. 		[15:08]
staticsafeindeed [15:08]
mkbI don't understand why (well I do but...) they hype all this crap so much
I don't care about any of their equipment except the pieces that have to plug into mine 		[15:08]
staticsafewe are the minority :P [15:09]
mkbthey can translate it to semaphore flags or IPoAC as long as my end still plugs into my equipment [15:09]
brycecmkb: Whatever they can do to indicate their new service is better than their previous offerings, and if it uses "buzzwords" all the better. [15:10]
mkb"better" [15:10]
brycecAnd while "fibre" isn't exactly a buzzword, it has a lot of positive feelings for it
s/is better/is "superior"/ 		[15:10]
mkbat&t's selling u-verse around here and it's the same damn thing [15:11]
BryceBot<brycec> mkb: Whatever they can do to indicate their new service is "superior" than their previous offerings, and if it uses "buzzwords" all the better. [15:11]
mkb6mbps adsl 2
but this is new and fiberized 		[15:11]
staticsafebut right now, Bell.ca's 1G/100M FTTH plan is about the same I'm paying for Rogers' 250/20 cable internet plan [15:11]
brycecBut still 6mbps? That's sub-broadband [15:11]
mkbyes
really
two blocks from the CO 		[15:11]
brycecSo on the one hand, you have to sell your soul to Bell. On the other hand, you already sold your soul to Rogers. [15:12]
mkbI think what's really going on is sbc^Wat&t is competing with bellsouth^Wat&t
they sell the same thing but the money goes to a different business unit 		[15:13]
staticsafenow I'm on hold with Bell for credit validation
..fun
Rogers certainly has better hold music
done, installation is on the 31st
so happy new year to me 		[15:26]
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nathanistaticsafe: cool
staticsafe: you would really enjoy the 1000meg down 100meg up as I am 		[18:18]
staticsafenathani: also the lower latency :D [18:19]
nathanistaticsafe: 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=1.97 ms [18:26]
staticsafenathani: i can't wait till next friday [18:26]
nathanidid you get a good deal? [18:27]
staticsafenathani: not particularly, I didn't want to sign a contract, so just $129/month for 3 months, with the rental fees waived
only internet 		[18:28]
mercutiothat seems expensive to me [18:29]
staticsafewelcome to Canada [18:29]
mercutiohow much is it to get a basic 50 megabit or something service [18:30]
staticsafeI'm currently paying ~$140/month for 250/20 cable internets
http://www.bell.ca/Bell_Internet/Internet_access $80 for 50mbit plan 		[18:30]
mercutioi got offrered some deal at 59.95/mo
for 50 megabit fibre
for 2 years 		[18:31]
staticsafeyeah I can get it cheaper if I bundle and contract [18:32]
mercutioon their web ste that is. hmm, only 10 megabit upload
ahh right
the 150/50 seems like sweet spot
oh
hangon, 250gb... 		[18:32]
staticsafeyep.. [18:33]
mercutio150/50 unlimited or 1tb would be fine
going much higher than that you're unlikely to really take advantage of imo
like sending files over skype to friends or such arne't really likely to speed up
and downloads that will go faster are big things that yuo're not usually waiting on etc 		[18:33]
staticsafeI like the 100mbit upload
for doing offsite backups 		[18:35]
mercutioahh [18:36]
staticsafe(its not just just me using the connection as well, there are 3 other folks) [18:37]
mercutioi have two connections that can do 30 megabit upload
so if i wanted to do offsite backup i'd just use the second connection
i don't find 30 megabit upload congests in normal usage for me though
1 megabit is really hard not to congest, 10 megabit is easy to congest, ime..
linux is finally adding bufferbloat fixes for wireless
so hopefully that'll get passed through to routers etc sometime 		[18:37]
staticsafe:o [18:40]
mercutioas with 1000/100 your next bottleneck could be wireless :) [18:40]
staticsafeyep
also uh something is fucked on Rogers' network again - https://smokeping.staticsafe.ca/?target=staticsafe.modem
[18:40]
mercutiowow [18:42]
staticsafei opened a ticket on Monday looks like the issue is still ongoing [18:42]
mercutiois it bad to everywhere? [18:43]
staticsafeyep
I'm lagging as I type this 		[18:43]
mercutiois it docsis 3? [18:43]
staticsafeyep [18:43]
mercutiois the "ftth" still cable? [18:43]
staticsafeno [18:43]
mercutioahh cool
people keep calling "fast" internet fibre here 		[18:43]
staticsafehttps://www.dslreports.com/forum/r31118482-Yes-you-CAN-bypass-the-HomeHub-3000 for some details [18:44]
mercutiowell it's more like the single cable company in this country
they're offering gigabit on cable 		[18:44]
staticsafeRogers is doing that in some areas now
RFoG usually
DOCIS 3.1 rollout as well 		[18:45]
mercutiothis seems to be docsis 3.1
by the news article
there's been backlash here over gigabit plans
i mean the regulator wants no-one to advertise gigabit
because people are unlikely to get a full gigabit 		[18:46]
staticsafeindeed [18:47]
mercutiolike the 100 megabit plans etc will be overprovisioned
and gigabit ehternet can't show gigabit on speedtest.net or such
i think it's silly myself.
it's better to just sell gigabit that does 970 megabit 		[18:47]
staticsafemost people are going to be bottlenecked with older wireless anyways [18:49]
mercutioyeah
i can only do like 300 megabit within my room
over wireless
gigabit wireless is a pipedream for most at the moment 		[18:49]
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staticsafemy MBP is neg. to 600 Mbps ac sitting right under the AP [18:53]
mercutiohow many megabit can you pull through it? [18:54]
staticsafei can't really test internet speeds with the packet loss atm [18:55]
mercutiomy tablet surprised me with how fast it went with 433 megabit wireless ac
oh i mean with iperf or such
lan speeds 		[18:55]
staticsafedo you have a command I can run? [18:55]
mercutioyeah
iperf -s -i 1 on server
iperf -c <server ip> on client 		[18:55]
staticsafeiperf isn't in macOS though, I just checked [18:56]
mercutioit'll be on the macports thing
or compile from source
client sends to server, so tests upload
the server reports, as that's more accurate 		[18:56]
staticsafeyeah hold on, I'm installing homebrew so I can get iperf [18:58]
nathaniI dont like that Bell Fibe still does PPPoE
so you lose some MTU and the IP changes frequently 		[19:00]
mercutioit's hardware accelerated these days
oh
you should be thankful that you have an IP :) 		[19:01]
nathanino v6 though [19:01]
mercutiocan you get a static ip? [19:01]
staticsafemercutio: https://paste.ee/p/w5HMC [19:01]
nathaninot sure [19:01]
mercutiothey should be able to run 1500 mtu with pppoe
yeah that's slow 		[19:01]
nathanithey should support 9000 mtu in this day and age [19:02]
mercutiothat's upload
try the other way around
as it'd still congest your 100 megabit uplaod :)
1508 mtu is fine
i really wanted 9000 mtu on the internet before
but it doesn't seem to be happening. :) 		[19:02]
staticsafemercutio: https://paste.ee/p/MrTtZ other way around [19:04]
mercutiothat's looking a lot better :)
you can probably improve thje speed by experimenting with random locations 		[19:05]
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mercutioif you look at the -s -i 1
it will show you per second readouts
you can also set 0.5 on some vrsions
if you do -t 60 or such it'll do it for 60 seconds
but it means that youc an leave it running as you move around and watch your speeds vary 		[19:05]
staticsafehttps://paste.ee/p/DUV9t plugged it into ethernet via the Thunderbolt->Ethernet adapter :D [19:06]
mercutioi found spinning around in my chair made a huge diff :)
well that's more like it :) 		[19:06]
staticsafegood to see that the Intel NUC's NIC can hold its own
00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection I218-V (rev 04)
i mean it should 		[19:08]
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nathaniI wanna paste my iperf result on 9000 mtu gigabit link
but I dont think I saved it, so I would have to redo the test 		[21:08]
mercutioi got 20 gigabit+ on lan [21:09]
nathanihttps://paste.ee/p/I6hYB
ethernet or infiniband? 		[21:12]
mercutioinfiniband :) [21:13]
nathanimy test is with no switches
just direct ethernet from PC to NAS
981 Mbits/sec
probably get more if I tweak some settings 		[21:13]
mercutiodisabling tcp_timestamps can reduce overhead slightly
more noticable at 1500 mtu than 9000 though 		[21:23]
nathani10.5 Gbits/sec
:-)
to and from nic on the same box
how you get 20 gbit between hosts is beyond me 		[21:26]
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mercutiomaybe becuase less context switches?
i found samba was faster across computers than from windows to linux on same host though 		[21:56]
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nathanimercutio: did you test NFS ? [22:15]
mercutioyeh
1.3gb/sec
for cached files
actualy that was a while ago
it may be faster now
i think it was before my cpu upgrade :) 		[22:16]
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