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| mkb_ | anyone familiar with these ethernet over powerline devices? | [08:54] |
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| *** | milki_ is now known as milki | [09:39] |
| milki | milki uses them
doesnt work for old houses with bad wiring | [09:41] |
| mkb_ | I have a new house but if the phone wiring quality is any indication... | [09:43] |
| milki | does not work if wiring sections are isolated | [09:44] |
| mkb_ | well of course | [09:44] |
| milki | they should work across circuit breakers just fine | [09:44] |
| mkb_ | what about interference? | [09:44] |
| milki | i havent encountered any issues myself. but it would have the same degrading affect as bad wiring
not sure what kind of devices cause interference | [09:45] |
| mkb_ | hmm
I may just have to buy some and try it | [09:45] |
| plett | They work across breakers, but not across RCDs/GFIs | [09:45] |
| milki | milki googles
o, not GFIs? | [09:46] |
| mkb_ | how do they stop at the edge of your house? | [09:46] |
| milki | huh | [09:46] |
| mkb_ | wouldn't they just leak into the power network? obviously the signal isn't that great but your neighbor might get it | [09:46] |
| milki | mkb_: most adapters have some sort of security feature
so you can link them into the same network | [09:46] |
| mkb_ | that too... I was just thinking of interference | [09:46] |
| milki | this also allows you to have seperate networks | [09:47] |
| plett | milki: Nope, the GFIs have a capacitor across them to do the sensing of current. That acts as a low-pass filter and blocks the higher frequency signal that the powerline devices are using | [09:47] |
| milki | hah
ok | [09:47] |
| mkb_ | hmm.. is it point to point or shared media like thinwire? | [09:48] |
| plett | And code in the UK for the past 15 years or so are that every domestic socket should be protected by one at the fusebox. I don't know what the regulations are like in the rest of the world | [09:48] |
| mkb_ | all the boxes say you can plug > 2 in and they'll work
but I guess it must be half duplex and you'd have collision issued | [09:48] |
| plett | And there is nothing stopping them working between different houses, apart from the additional distance they would have to cover. In the UK it is common for neighbouring houses to be fed from different phases in an alternating pattern down the street. So you might not be able to talk to your direct neighbour, but can to someone three houses away
Yes, it's a shared bus and half-duplex | [09:50] |
| mkb_ | seems like this only works as long as there aren't that many people using it | [09:51] |
| plett | They aren't that high power, you'd have to be pretty close to interfere with other users
And, at worst, it would be like two wifi networks on the same channel - you get collisions and back off and try again | [09:52] |
| mkb_ | mkb_ looks on newegg
my other option is trying to wire ethernet over extra twisted pairs in the phone wiring | [09:53] |
| plett | The other other option is buy a drill and a reel of cat5e ;) | [09:54] |
| mkb_ | it's cat-5 but I'd have to go in the basement and figure out which pair goes where to splice it together
and build custom plugs and hope there's no interference from the fact that there's a phone line running in the same cable or that | [09:54] |
| plett | You'd need all 8 cores to get gigabit. 100M would work on 4 cores | [09:55] |
| mkb_ | gigabit uses all the pairs?
I never heard that before huh... goes to show I shouldn't assume | [09:56] |
| plett | Also the latency on powerline stuff is a bit sucky. 5 to 10ms is typical
And jittery if there are collisions and retransmissions, like on wifi | [09:59] |
| mkb_ | hmm that doesn't sound like an improvement over wifi | [10:01] |
| milki | sure, but at lesat powerline works in wifi deadspots >.> | [10:09] |
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| mercutio | you can do wifi backhaul to another wifi access point to fix wifi deadspots too | [10:56] |
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| pyvpx | that's what eeros does
eero* | [12:17] |
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| brycec | I've used powerline-ethernet before when I couldn't just run Ethernet and the microwave would knock-out WiFi. Worked quite well at the time. (10+ years ago)
More recently, I've used DECAnet adapters to use the in-wall coax for Ethernet runs to great success, even if only 100mbps (I think I got the name wrong) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DVK1ITI/ As you can see, was super-cheap too | [13:12] |
| mercutio | brycec: that uses satellite/tv cables? | [13:14] |
| brycec | I had nothing else on the coax anyways, no cable tv service or the like, so had no concerns over interference and no filters on the line | [13:14] |
| mercutio | i'm tempted to try that :)
double it up with wifi and experiment hah wifi is half duplex | [13:15] |
| brycec | Latency was quite low too | [13:15] |
| mercutio | in theory you could get faster download speeds with wifi if you had upload going another way | [13:15] |
| brycec | mercutio: That's where MIMO helps ;) | [13:15] |
| mercutio | oh
well it could get the latency down at least :) still 200megabit fixed wifi or something is fine but it'd be interesting to experiment :) | [13:15] |
| brycec | So... Who's excited to ditch ARP Networks for AWS Lightsail? /s | [13:16] |
| mercutio | lightsail?
oh wow | [13:16] |
| brycec | https://amazonlightsail.com | [13:16] |
| mercutio | intersting times | [13:17] |
| mike-burns | What's their IRC channel? | [13:17] |
| brycec | (Literally EC2 but user-friendlier, to compete with ARP, DO, etc)
lol mike-burns | [13:17] |
| mike-burns | Heh, instead of IRC, they link to their LinkedIn at the bottom. Quite the opposite audience ... | [13:18] |
| mercutio | what regions do the yoffer in? | [13:18] |
| brycec | All I assume
(And twitter and facebook) | [13:18] |
| mercutio | it's us-east only bryce
us-east-1 | [13:19] |
| brycec | >> Lightsail is currently available in all the Availability Zones in the us-east-1 (N. Virginia) region. Instances created in different Availability Zones can communicate between zones privately and for free, and are much less likely to be impaired concurrently. Availability Zones enable you to build highly available applications and websites without increasing the cost of data transfer or compromising
your application's security. | [13:20] |
| mercutio | it's also cpu limited apparently | [13:20] |
| brycec | >> You can currently create up to 20 Lightsail instances, 5 static IPs, and 3 DNS domain zones in a Lightsail account. | [13:20] |
| mercutio | with burst
so it's burst cpu to one core | [13:20] |
| brycec | AWS with training-wheels | [13:21] |
| mercutio | my friend used amazon ages ago
on some cheap $20/month or something plan | [13:21] |
| plett | Rumour has is that the Lodon region will finally get launched this week | [13:21] |
| mercutio | i dunno it was a light instance
but when he ran some script that accessed the database the server grinded to a halt nearly to the point that running top etc was troublesome they were doing some kind of iops rate limit and the i/o performance was shocking | [13:21] |
| plett | mercutio: Assuming it was a T2 instance, as those are the cheap and plentiful ones, they are sold as bursable CPU, and the EBS storage that are used with them are indeed IOP limited. It's all very well documented | [13:32] |
| mercutio | well "real world" performance sucked | [13:35] |
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| mercutio | it was also on east cost
coast | [13:37] |
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| up_the_irons | mkb_: milki : I don't know much about ethernet over powerlines, but when I did cryptocoin mining, I had some miners in my room and the rest in my garage. Had one of those power-outlet-ethernet-magic things to connect the two, so I didn't have to run a wire across the house. It worked surprisingly well.
up_the_irons waves at RandalSchwartz yeah Lightsail looked interesting it's kinda about time for them plett: had we talked about USCG stuff a long time ago, or was that someone else? (too many nicks to keep in my brain) | [18:04] |
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| Squillis | i notice $10/mo gets you 20gb of storage now
can i get that (i'm at 5gb currently) | [20:48] |
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| brycec | You'll probably want to email regarding that. Account specifics and such don't get talked about in a public and logged channel | [21:50] |
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