[00:10] So the Netflex problem is actually a problem with the movie industry itself? [00:15] arguably [00:15] but why does Netflix cave when, say, Prime Video doesn't care? [00:15] less clout or simply not enabled yet? [00:48] more content, more contracts probably [00:48] what's the netflix problem? [00:58] *** trobotham-cloud has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [01:38] *** andol_ has joined #arpnetworks [01:38] *** plett_ has joined #arpnetworks [01:39] *** plett has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [01:39] *** andol has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [01:47] *** andol_ is now known as andol [01:48] *** trobotham-cloud has joined #arpnetworks [03:02] *** trobotham-cloud has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [03:09] *** trobotham-cloud has joined #arpnetworks [03:49] *** dne has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [03:49] *** dne has joined #arpnetworks [04:09] netflix has to show reasonable due diligence in ensuring end users are viewing content licensed for the region they're actually in. [04:09] no more germans watching the US catalog. etc. [04:10] netflix used to allow going across the world in seconds [04:10] i can teleport! [04:11] i tried region stuff with netflix a while ago, but there still wasn't enough good content to make it seem useful [04:12] yeah. someone did a comparison of the regional catalogs and it's painfully obvious by the numbers the US one is far and above most desirable to users [04:12] iirc portugal has like, 2000 titles. or maybe less. [04:12] i'm not in the US [04:12] * pyvpx is not either [04:12] also not a netflix customer [04:12] but I tried US, and UK [04:12] i did the two months free thing or soemthing [04:12] the first time around i didn't get around to canceling [04:13] i actually haven't watched anything good on tv in ages [05:37] *** plett_ is now known as plett [08:11] they started blocking HE's v6 space [08:12] not just the 6to4 stuff either, it seems they blocked the whole /32 [08:12] "evil proxy" [08:12] the usual ignorant phone reps, "what's v6?" [08:19] I know someone who complained to HE about this [08:19] they gave him a backdoor e-mail address at netflix to complain to [08:19] and that's all I've heard so far [08:30] yeah, that address got posted to NANOG [08:30] i'll let other people, more angry than i, do some of the initial drilling ;-) [08:31] i thinking blocking a whole ISP's v6 network and then saying proudly, "we support IPv6 now" is hypocritical [08:32] wait it's not a cogent problem is it? [08:33] no [08:34] Netflix is deliberately blocking HE's v6 network as a "proxy" [08:34] or a "country unblocker" [08:34] presumably because people are using it to bypass geo restrictions [08:51] Damn. I had no idea, but just tried and yep I'm blocked from streaming... sonofabitch. [08:54] *** freedomcode is now known as reardencode [08:55] Feels wrong having to null-route just to make it work [08:57] this must apply to tunneling through ARP too... [08:57] that's HE transit right? [08:59] Actually, as of right now, traceroute to netflix is going over NTT [08:59] ARP does have HE transit, but that doesn't mean it's in use. And more pertinent, Netflix is blocking HE's /32, so as long as your v6 address isn't an HE address... [09:00] ah [09:22] *** hive-mind has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [09:29] i'm surprised HE isn't on the horn with them [09:34] *** hive-mind has joined #arpnetworks [10:10] I would think that using ARP to get to Netflix would also trigger the vpn / proxy alert as it isnt an Eyeball network [10:30] eyeball? [10:30] happy eyes? [10:32] A network that serves end-users, as opposed to transit and colos [10:33] eyeball networks are typically residential (or business) ISPs like Kabletown. [10:34] whose job is it to label a network as eyeball or blind? [10:40] ah [10:40] i had never heard that distinction [13:38] *** hazardous has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [13:41] *** hazardous has joined #arpnetworks [13:58] *** hazardous has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [13:59] *** hazardous has joined #arpnetworks [14:00] *** sjackso has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [14:17] *** sjackso has joined #arpnetworks [14:19] Hey so if you suspend irssi with ^Z instead of detaching from tmux it turns out you get disconnected. Who knew? [14:36] sjackso: have you tried weechat? [14:37] never have [14:38] it does a lot of things out of the box which irssi requires plugins [14:38] and customization [14:42] Should try it some day [14:47] 741 users in #weechat vs 523 in #irssi, just saying :-) [14:50] Hallow. [15:15] I would be more excited about a featureful CLI email client that isn't ancient and crufty [15:16] Someone is collecting mutt patches into a thing he's calling neomutt. [15:16] oy. [15:27] can i suggest Outlook Express running in wine [15:27] :) [15:27] i'm acutally curious about a decent slightly user friendly desktop client for windows/mac that i can recommend to friends that supports pgp and stuff [15:27] everything that does that is incredibly convoluted and about as user friendly as running into a spiked wall repeatedly [15:27] Mail.app [15:40] how about thunderbird? [15:53] brycec: mnathani JC_Denton mkb : I think there was actually an issue with Netflix and us in the past. Something like someone complaining they couldn't watch Netflix through our IPs. I was like, "meh" [15:55] that is entirely out of your support scope heh [15:57] yeah [16:06] I am pretty sure premium vpns will start popping up. More expensive and lease out a dedicated IP from an eyeball network range per Premium VPN client. [16:10] yeah [16:21] mnathani: i wanted to start a premium vpn at one point ... [16:22] but then i realised that people only care about bittorrent, watching movies etc [16:22] there's lots of times when a good vpn could be useful, like being stuck using a bad provider [16:23] sad, but true [16:23] it's more likely that people will just switch around ip blocks a lot to get around it i think [16:24] long nanog discussion on this ip/location/netflix/vpn issue [16:24] i mostly just waanted a vpn thaht would do transparent tcp proxying etc [16:24] is that similar to a SOCKS proxy? [16:27] what do you think of services like privateinternetaccess? [16:27] yeh [16:27] but you'd use normal vpn client [16:27] and not need socks support [16:27] ah [16:27] ok [16:28] it wouldn't do anything smarter than just transparently relaying [16:28] but it means if you have packet loss etc it'll perform better [16:28] would it be to get to any destination? [16:28] or would that be fixed [16:29] stupid question - never mind [16:30] well i did a proxy server a while ago that could relay some destinations automatically to other countries [16:30] it will terminate a tcp session from you the client to itself, then establish a new tcp connection to the destination, correct? [16:30] and it worked on hulu [16:30] and bbc iplayer [16:30] but netflix costs money :) [16:31] the aim was more about performance than geoip restrictions [16:31] yeh, it's terminate, and establish [16:31] what happens to udp traffic? [16:31] udp would go through normally [16:33] could ports be opened on the proxy and NATTed to the client? [16:33] it wouldn't need to be natted [16:34] you can do incoming tcp transparent acceleration too [16:34] you can give the user a real ip, then intercept traffic in the middle [16:34] or give them private ip [16:34] if they don't want incoming connections [16:40] say you are downloading a file, and the proxy has a faster connection than the client, will it slow down to the speed of the slowest link, or keep transferring into some sort of buffer? [16:41] slowest link, and buffer [16:44] the proxy should normally have faster connection than client [16:45] but some tcp implementations are better than others at getting max speed to the client [16:46] up_the_irons: I bought my first lens (other than the kit lens) - a Canon f/1.8 50mm fixed lens and am loving the results so far [16:46] especially with packet loss, older implementations tend to end up having bigger delays [16:47] mnathani: 50mm at f/1.8 is my favorite lens :) [16:48] http://imgur.com/hnqcKZN [16:49] that has nice bokeh [16:49] http://imgur.com/MZutHga [16:50] very nice [16:50] http://imgur.com/PHX0Laa [16:51] I think you suggested it months ago [16:51] the 50mm fixed lens [16:51] and there i go thinking that my new cellphone camera looks much better than my old one :) [16:51] i may have... or it was the kickstarter for the 50mm that they bringing back [17:02] another: http://imgur.com/2JDre8m [17:03] up_the_irons: thanks [17:09] what camera do you have mnathani? [17:13] Canon Rebel T5 [17:15] is that full frame? [17:21] I dont think so [17:21] its a lower end camera [17:22] Sensor size: APS-C / (22.3mm x 14.9mm) [17:22] ok not full frame [17:22] so you're doing like 85mm [18:12] damn, 32 new messages in that Netflix thread on Nanog after I last checked it just 3 hours ago [18:12] heh my nanog isn't open for some reason [18:12] still using mutt for email? [18:12] yeh [18:31] http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2016-June/086153.html [18:31] interesting response [18:35] Indeed. [18:44] you know for detecting location latency is often a better measure [18:45] and if you have a laggy connection you'll struggle to watch netflix anyway [19:07] they probably have a global presence and also ISPs that host those Netflix boxes within their network [22:02] https://twitter.com/mnathani/status/738959068816019456 [22:02] TWITTER: R.I.P Muhammad Ali (1942-2016) (Sat Jun 04 05:02:25 +0000 2016)