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| nathani | Guess not
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| jpalmer | opinion question: overhauling my resume. I like the way it's turning out, but at first glance, visually.. I'd like something that sets it apart from a million other black/white resumes. I've done my headings and such in a dark blue (almost, but not quite black, for a bit of a differene) but what do you guys think about possibly putting a small logo of the company next to each of the certs I've listed (I'm only listing relevant certs, and
My assumption is, *if* that was a good idea, everyone would be doing it, instead of the plain black/white resumes you see all over the place. but, thought I'd solicit thoughts from you guys :) | [15:57] |
| mercutio | i think for marketing roles it's more important for presentation
for tech roles a lot of them just seem to look for keywords | [15:58] |
| jpalmer | agreed wrt marketing, but this is for a strictly technical role | [15:58] |
| mercutio | of course it depends where you're applying | [15:59] |
| jpalmer | yes, I'd definitely have a "no logos" version as well for the more.. traditional places. | [15:59] |
| mercutio | i talked to a recruiter one time that seemed to think tech people were impossible to deal with | [15:59] |
| jpalmer | (which ironically, are the places I'm least interested in going to. lol) | [15:59] |
| mercutio | but there's quite a lot of technical focused recruiters
and they may be better for giving a broad opinion it doesn't seem that uncommon for technical roles to have quite boring looking cv's | [16:00] |
| jpalmer | honestly, I've lost any/all faith in "technical recruiters" if I never speak to another one the rest of my life.. I'd be cool with that. | [16:01] |
| mercutio | and i think that's partially not being that interested in being glamorours
glamorous heh | [16:01] |
| jpalmer | sure, I get that. boring cv's/resumes are the norm. "tech people aren't creative" and all that. | [16:02] |
| mercutio | what kinds of roles are you looking to apply for? | [16:02] |
| jpalmer | meh, I'll probably just leave well enough alone. | [16:02] |
| mercutio | and do you generally get interviews when you apply? | [16:02] |
| jpalmer | honestly, I'm not een looking. it's just an excercise I go through yearly. | [16:02] |
| mercutio | i've heard of people here finding one or two people without mcse
and then deciding they're the interesting looking ones :) | [16:02] |
| jpalmer | I do, I actually get a pretty decent rate of phone calls/interviews when I do. | [16:03] |
| mercutio | if you get phone call / interview then yeh, you probably don't need to stick out further in your resume | [16:03] |
| jpalmer | as for the types of roles, I enjoy doing things at scale. so tools like puppet/ansible/jenkins, haproxy, maxscale, etc.. those are the tools I am using and would like to continue using. maybe not those specific tools, but that.. genre. | [16:05] |
| mercutio | yeah that should be easy to get a job with | [16:06] |
| jpalmer | what started me down this path: I've been working for the last 6 years with linux. prior to that, I was a nearly 20 year BSD admin. I happened across a handful of job postings for BSD people.. and.. thought about floating my resume to a couple of them.
would love to get back to the BSD world. but as I said, not unhappy with the linux world. heh | [16:06] |
| mercutio | netflix? :)
i don't really know what bsd jobs are aroudn these days | [16:07] |
| jpalmer | nah, I'm not into the big mega companies.
netflix/amazon/google etc are not interesting to me. I like smaller companies, smaller teams where I get to touch a lot of things.. not silod/pigeonholed into whatever my teams responsibilities are. | [16:08] |
| mercutio | Yeah same
They use free BSD though | [16:09] |
| jpalmer | yea
I just hate hearing things like "yeah, thats the networking teams problem though. lets focus on our doohickey" and similar stuff. give me a company with 50-500 people, anytime. | [16:10] |
| mercutio | The biggest concern I have heard about BSD is finding more people who know it if the existing leave
A lot of people seem to believe in domain related experience 50 is huge to me | [16:11] |
| jpalmer | while somewhat valid, the reality is most of the unixes are similar enough that.. once you figure out it's package management, and admin quirks.. they're really all about the same. | [16:12] |
| mercutio | I know
Employers and managers don't always know | [16:12] |
| jpalmer | "oh, I guess I shouldn't use killall on this platform, because it doesn't do the same thing as killall on the last platform" lol | [16:13] |
| mercutio | Use pkill | [16:13] |
| jpalmer | hehe I meant that as an example of the "admin quirks" you have to figure out :P | [16:14] |
| mercutio | Yeah don't let Linux users on Solaris
You shouldn't generally use pkill anyway You should kill the right pids | [16:14] |
| jpalmer | anywho, thanks for your input. I'll stick with the plain/boring resume. I kinda was leaning that way honestly, I was worried the logos would make it seem like I was trying to draw attention to the certs, when the opposite is true. I'm trying to get them to focus on the experience. | [16:15] |
| mercutio | what i find amusing is windows admins trying to do linux
something isn't working right so they want to reboot straight away experience is definitely what most people seem to care about | [16:15] |
| jpalmer | hehe the opposite is also true. linux admins trying to do windows can be entertaining as well. | [16:15] |
| mercutio | although 20 years doesn't seem to help over 10 years
6 to 10 is generally enough that people look at what the experience entails. sometimes with 20+ years people don't have modern knowledge too but it seems you probably do :) | [16:15] |
| jpalmer | fair point. I've noticed that m resume listing 20 years of experience gets fewer results (same format and everything) and I suspect that it's because people think "20 years, old codger is stuck in his ways with old/ancient tools. no way he's going to understand devops/cloud/ ci/cd, etc | [16:17] |
| mercutio | yeah so list the modern stuff | [16:17] |
| jpalmer | yep yep | [16:17] |
| mercutio | and yeah you can probably drop old experience off your list and just put in years | [16:18] |
| jpalmer | the experience section between the two is identical. the "20 year" resume, just lists 2 more companies. | [16:18] |
| mercutio | interesting
are you doing the linkedin thing? | [16:18] |
| jpalmer | (as a stats nerd, I keep track of which I've sent where) the 10 year resume gets approximately 30% more "initial contact"
yeah, as soon as I get the resume done, I'll be updating linkedin to reflect the new version. | [16:19] |
| mercutio | well good luck :) | [16:20] |
| jpalmer | danke. thanks for the thoughts. | [16:20] |
| mercutio | where are you based? | [16:21] |
| jpalmer | I'm in FL | [16:23] |
| mercutio | ahh ok | [16:25] |
| jpalmer | I think if i do start floating my resume, my next gig will be remote. I did remote most of my career. Then the last 6 years, I've been driving an hour each way to "local-ish" companies. I actually enjoy driving, so that doesn't bother me. but they've started a few multi-year construction projects now.. so it's gotten a bit frustrating. | [16:25] |
| mercutio | all my work is remote
it's good and bad | [16:25] |
| jpalmer | yep | [16:25] |
| mercutio | i reckon if doing long commutes working irregular hours to shorten the commute at a minimum is good | [16:26] |
| jpalmer | nah, these are 9-5's lol so I'm rush hour both ways :P | [16:26] |
| mercutio | yeah | [16:27] |
| jpalmer | I didn't mind it before the construction. a nice drive, let me relax and forget about the office before I got home to the wife.. | [16:27] |
| mercutio | you know that IT is one of the top industries for perks like flexible working hours? | [16:27] |
| jpalmer | yessir | [16:27] |
| mercutio | at least here a lot of places give a time you have to be there between, but you can start early or late | [16:27] |
| jpalmer | where are you? | [16:29] |
| mercutio | new zealand | [16:30] |
| jpalmer | ahh, I was thinking you were UK based. cool | [16:32] |
| mercutio | i was thinking you were when you said danke | [16:33] |
| jpalmer | oh, lol
my grandfather was mostly german. "danke "danke" just kinda carried over from him. | [16:35] |
| mercutio | yeah i've heard it before, i had to google to check where it was from
i guessed it was danish | [16:36] |
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| nathani | http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36110421 | [19:29] |
| BryceBot | Title: "$10 router blamed in Bangladesh bank hack - BBC News" | [19:30] |
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