[01:30] *** Lucifer333 has joined #arpnetworks [01:30] *** 32NAAXJSN has joined #arpnetworks [01:32] *** 32NAAXJSN has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded) [01:36] *** Lucifer333 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [02:59] *** Lucifer333 has joined #arpnetworks [07:17] *** fedruantine has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.6.1+deb1 - http://znc.in) [07:23] *** fedruantine has joined #arpnetworks [12:19] <nathani> Guess not [12:20] <nathani> @weather yyz [12:20] <BryceBot> Toronto-Pearson International, Ontario: Mostly Cloudy ☠50°F (10°C), Humidity: 37%, Wind: From the SE at 7 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=43.67722321,-79.63055420 or re-request this with: @weather -v yyz [12:25] *** Lucifer333 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [12:36] *** mercutio has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [12:54] <mnathani> @weather auckland [12:54] <BryceBot> Auckland, New Zealand: Overcast ☠61°F (16°C), Humidity: 75%, Wind: From the NNE at 4.5 MPH Gusting to 7.4 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=-36.985687,174.889755 or re-request this with: @weather -v auckland [14:12] *** mnathani has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [14:32] *** mnathani has joined #arpnetworks [14:39] *** mnathani has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [15:15] *** mercutio has joined #arpnetworks [15:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mercutio [15:57] <jpalmer> opinion question: overhauling my resume. I like the way it's turning out, but at first glance, visually.. I'd like something that sets it apart from a million other black/white resumes. I've done my headings and such in a dark blue (almost, but not quite black, for a bit of a differene) but what do you guys think about possibly putting a small logo of the company next to each of the certs I've listed (I'm only listing relevant certs, and [15:58] <jpalmer> My assumption is, *if* that was a good idea, everyone would be doing it, instead of the plain black/white resumes you see all over the place. but, thought I'd solicit thoughts from you guys :) [15:58] <mercutio> i think for marketing roles it's more important for presentation [15:58] <mercutio> for tech roles a lot of them just seem to look for keywords [15:58] <jpalmer> agreed wrt marketing, but this is for a strictly technical role [15:59] <mercutio> of course it depends where you're applying [15:59] <jpalmer> yes, I'd definitely have a "no logos" version as well for the more.. traditional places. [15:59] <mercutio> i talked to a recruiter one time that seemed to think tech people were impossible to deal with [15:59] <jpalmer> (which ironically, are the places I'm least interested in going to. lol) [16:00] <mercutio> but there's quite a lot of technical focused recruiters [16:00] <mercutio> and they may be better for giving a broad opinion [16:01] <mercutio> it doesn't seem that uncommon for technical roles to have quite boring looking cv's [16:01] <jpalmer> honestly, I've lost any/all faith in "technical recruiters" if I never speak to another one the rest of my life.. I'd be cool with that. [16:01] <mercutio> and i think that's partially not being that interested in being glamorours [16:01] <mercutio> glamorous [16:01] <mercutio> heh [16:02] <jpalmer> sure, I get that. boring cv's/resumes are the norm. "tech people aren't creative" and all that. [16:02] <mercutio> what kinds of roles are you looking to apply for? [16:02] <jpalmer> meh, I'll probably just leave well enough alone. [16:02] <mercutio> and do you generally get interviews when you apply? [16:02] <jpalmer> honestly, I'm not een looking. it's just an excercise I go through yearly. [16:02] <mercutio> i've heard of people here finding one or two people without mcse [16:03] <mercutio> and then deciding they're the interesting looking ones [16:03] <mercutio> :) [16:03] <jpalmer> I do, I actually get a pretty decent rate of phone calls/interviews when I do. [16:03] <mercutio> if you get phone call / interview then yeh, you probably don't need to stick out further in your resume [16:05] <jpalmer> as for the types of roles, I enjoy doing things at scale. so tools like puppet/ansible/jenkins, haproxy, maxscale, etc.. those are the tools I am using and would like to continue using. maybe not those specific tools, but that.. genre. [16:06] <mercutio> yeah that should be easy to get a job with [16:06] <jpalmer> what started me down this path: I've been working for the last 6 years with linux. prior to that, I was a nearly 20 year BSD admin. I happened across a handful of job postings for BSD people.. and.. thought about floating my resume to a couple of them. [16:07] <jpalmer> would love to get back to the BSD world. but as I said, not unhappy with the linux world. heh [16:07] <mercutio> netflix? :) [16:07] <mercutio> i don't really know what bsd jobs are aroudn these days [16:08] <jpalmer> nah, I'm not into the big mega companies. [16:09] <jpalmer> netflix/amazon/google etc are not interesting to me. [16:09] <jpalmer> I like smaller companies, smaller teams where I get to touch a lot of things.. not silod/pigeonholed into whatever my teams responsibilities are. [16:09] <mercutio> Yeah same [16:10] <mercutio> They use free BSD though [16:10] <jpalmer> yea [16:11] <jpalmer> I just hate hearing things like "yeah, thats the networking teams problem though. lets focus on our doohickey" and similar stuff. give me a company with 50-500 people, anytime. [16:11] <mercutio> The biggest concern I have heard about BSD is finding more people who know it if the existing leave [16:11] <mercutio> A lot of people seem to believe in domain related experience [16:12] <mercutio> 50 is huge to me [16:12] <jpalmer> while somewhat valid, the reality is most of the unixes are similar enough that.. once you figure out it's package management, and admin quirks.. they're really all about the same. [16:12] <mercutio> I know [16:13] <mercutio> Employers and managers don't always know [16:13] <jpalmer> "oh, I guess I shouldn't use killall on this platform, because it doesn't do the same thing as killall on the last platform" lol [16:13] <mercutio> Use pkill [16:14] <jpalmer> hehe I meant that as an example of the "admin quirks" you have to figure out :P [16:14] <mercutio> Yeah don't let Linux users on Solaris [16:14] <mercutio> You shouldn't generally use pkill anyway [16:14] <mercutio> You should kill the right pids [16:15] <jpalmer> anywho, thanks for your input. I'll stick with the plain/boring resume. I kinda was leaning that way honestly, I was worried the logos would make it seem like I was trying to draw attention to the certs, when the opposite is true. I'm trying to get them to focus on the experience. [16:15] <mercutio> what i find amusing is windows admins trying to do linux [16:15] <mercutio> something isn't working right so they want to reboot straight away [16:15] <mercutio> experience is definitely what most people seem to care about [16:15] <jpalmer> hehe the opposite is also true. linux admins trying to do windows can be entertaining as well. [16:15] <mercutio> although 20 years doesn't seem to help over 10 years [16:16] <mercutio> 6 to 10 is generally enough that people look at what the experience entails. [16:16] <mercutio> sometimes with 20+ years people don't have modern knowledge too [16:16] <mercutio> but it seems you probably do :) [16:17] <jpalmer> fair point. I've noticed that m resume listing 20 years of experience gets fewer results (same format and everything) and I suspect that it's because people think "20 years, old codger is stuck in his ways with old/ancient tools. no way he's going to understand devops/cloud/ ci/cd, etc [16:17] <mercutio> yeah so list the modern stuff [16:17] <jpalmer> yep yep [16:18] <mercutio> and yeah you can probably drop old experience off your list and just put in years [16:18] <jpalmer> the experience section between the two is identical. the "20 year" resume, just lists 2 more companies. [16:18] <mercutio> interesting [16:19] <mercutio> are you doing the linkedin thing? [16:19] <jpalmer> (as a stats nerd, I keep track of which I've sent where) the 10 year resume gets approximately 30% more "initial contact" [16:19] <jpalmer> yeah, as soon as I get the resume done, I'll be updating linkedin to reflect the new version. [16:20] <mercutio> well good luck :) [16:20] <jpalmer> danke. thanks for the thoughts. [16:21] <mercutio> where are you based? [16:23] <jpalmer> I'm in FL [16:25] <mercutio> ahh ok [16:25] <jpalmer> I think if i do start floating my resume, my next gig will be remote. I did remote most of my career. Then the last 6 years, I've been driving an hour each way to "local-ish" companies. I actually enjoy driving, so that doesn't bother me. but they've started a few multi-year construction projects now.. so it's gotten a bit frustrating. [16:25] <mercutio> all my work is remote [16:25] <mercutio> it's good and bad [16:25] <jpalmer> yep [16:26] <mercutio> i reckon if doing long commutes working irregular hours to shorten the commute at a minimum is good [16:26] <jpalmer> nah, these are 9-5's lol so I'm rush hour both ways :P [16:27] <mercutio> yeah [16:27] <jpalmer> I didn't mind it before the construction. a nice drive, let me relax and forget about the office before I got home to the wife.. [16:27] <mercutio> you know that IT is one of the top industries for perks like flexible working hours? [16:27] <jpalmer> yessir [16:27] <mercutio> at least here a lot of places give a time you have to be there between, but you can start early or late [16:29] <jpalmer> where are you? [16:30] <mercutio> new zealand [16:32] <jpalmer> ahh, I was thinking you were UK based. cool [16:33] <mercutio> i was thinking you were when you said danke [16:35] <jpalmer> oh, lol [16:35] <jpalmer> my grandfather was mostly german. "danke [16:36] <jpalmer> "danke" just kinda carried over from him. [16:36] <mercutio> yeah i've heard it before, i had to google to check where it was from [16:36] <mercutio> i guessed it was danish [17:29] *** mnathani has joined #arpnetworks [17:53] *** Lucifer333 has joined #arpnetworks [19:29] <nathani> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36110421 [19:30] <BryceBot> Title: "$10 router blamed in Bangladesh bank hack - BBC News"