[05:37] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [09:29] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [09:58] *** Lucifer333 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [10:25] *** Lucifer333 has joined #arpnetworks [12:16] *** carvite has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [12:19] *** carvite has joined #arpnetworks [12:39] *** hycer has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [12:40] *** hycer has joined #arpnetworks [14:46] We want to let you know about some upcoming changes to OneDrive. On July 13, 2016, the amount of storage that comes with OneDrive will change from 15 GB to 5 GB. [14:46] just as storage it becoming a cheaper commodity [14:50] Apparently not! [14:51] I imagine it has more to do with abuse of OneDrive's limits. Not long ago they stopped offering their 1TB (or unlimited? Can't remember) due to abuse. [15:31] I remember when there were the floods in Thailand or something like that in that region, I couldn't buy more drives to build servers [15:31] Yeah but that was like 4+ years ago now [15:31] Still took awhile for the prices to come back down though :/ [15:36] yeah i'm not saying it's from that [15:53] up_the_irons / mercutio: What do you think about including sha256sum in the backup service chroot? The other day I was looking to verify file contents and noticed there was no checksumming tool available so I just went by file size. I think it could be useful for other customers, and myself, if file integrity could be verified storage-side, but I understand too if you're concerned about users eating up [15:53] CPU. [15:53] (lol, just 4 letters too long for a single line) [15:54] (I thought about emailing that, but thought it could benefit from IRC/forum discussion too. [15:57] I think that would be fine [15:58] With Germany coming online soon, any plans to offer/move backup space that is geographically separated? [15:58] "soon" = "someday" i gues [15:58] s [15:58] Yep, we want to offer "remote" backup too [15:59] Can you be price-competitive with S3? :P [15:59] "The pricing would be higher to cover bandwidth costs; it is estimated to be $0.20 per GB. [15:59] ^ Current blurb on the kb [16:02] brycec: give sha256sum a try [16:02] brycec: what pricing would you like to see? [16:09] I've also added md5sum and xz [16:13] 15gb to 5gb is a huge change [16:13] it seems bizzare. but i suppose they're not charging for it? [16:13] doesn't gmail give like 8gb now days? [16:14] you are the product, when the product is free :-) [16:14] 0.96 GB (0%) of 115 GB used [16:14] wtf [16:14] gmail gives 115gb of space! [16:14] Is OneDrive an advertising company? [16:14] it's microsfot [16:14] i think it comes with windows 10. [16:14] interesting [16:17] i want to see this linux on windows thing [16:17] i wonder if it's in beta test [16:17] I assume it looks like Ubuntu. [16:17] the article by Dustin Kirkland was interesting [16:17] it is! [16:17] That's what she said!! [16:18] i shouldn't be so excited that it includes vim :) [16:19] up_the_irons: you mean this one: ? http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/04/howto-ubuntu-on-windows.html [16:19] yup [16:19] mercutio: that even excites me [16:19] maybe I'll be rocking a Surface by summer ;) [16:19] this isnt some cygwin crap is it? [16:25] mnathani_: no it actually seems pretty good. real-time syscall translation. It's like wine but in reverse. [16:25] mnathani_: so the binaries run natively, in a way [16:25] That's a silly question :P 15:58:52 @up_the_irons | brycec: what pricing would you like to see? [16:26] Similar to what GNU HURD and Minix do, I suppose -- a POSIX compatibility layer. [16:26] I really should watch the build developer conference presentation on the subject [16:26] up_the_irons: thanks for breaking it down for me [16:27] mike-burns: It's more than POSIX - Windows has been POSIX for awhile (though recent releases have been shedding some POSIX rules) [16:27] It's actual syscall emulation/compatability, meaning binaries themselves work [16:27] Right, right -- it's Ubuntu, not POSIX. [16:27] And yes it is in beta test, mercutio. It's rolling out now to those on the "fast track" or whatever it's call "ring" [16:27] I read somewhere that fork(2) was the hard part. [16:28] up_the_irons: sha256sum and md5sum both work :) [16:28] brycec: :) [16:28] I just submitted a sales@ request from the portal, but did not get an email confirmation. Is that normal? [16:28] PS Thanks mercutio [16:28] I thought only support@ got confirmation emails [16:28] brycec: what I mean is, S3 pricing is complicated to me, so if you simply tell me what pricing is attractive to you, I can say whether it's possible or not [16:29] up_the_irons: Ah thanks for clarifying [16:29] mnathani_: i think it's only support@ that has the auto responder [16:29] s3 charges for byte storages as well as bandwidth transfer in+out [16:30] arp only charges for byte storages, ie: bandwidth is thrown in [16:30] up_the_irons: the simple explanation is that S3 is 3C/GB ($.03) for triple-replication with no cost for uploaded data. [16:30] mnathani_: out only [16:30] (unless you're referring to PUT/COPY/LIST etc requests) [16:30] up_the_irons: So something "competitive" would be around that 3C/GB mark [16:31] OK thanks for the info [16:31] Personally, I store my offsite backups in S3's "reduced redundancy storage" meaning it's only double-replicated (sorta RAID-1, ish) which is priced as $.0125/GB/mo [16:32] It might be hard to compete with a company that has probably the most amount of storage in the world, but I'll see what I can do ;) [16:32] ARP's advantage is being able to nfs or ssh access my data with no bandwidth limits/pricing at all (on-network) [16:32] yeah we keep it simple that way [16:33] Oh yeah and the pricing is way simpler ;) [16:34] mnathani_: your email did come through [16:46] brycec: so it's cheaper to have two dual-replicated backups than one triple-replicated backup? [16:47] Bear in mind the replication is behind the scenes, invisible to me [16:47] (in case that wasn't understood) [16:47] yeah, so it's less effort to use their triple replicated. [16:47] The only difference for me to use their standard (triple) vs rrs (double) is the --use-rrs switch in duplicity ;) [16:48] i've got a friend who was using amazon virtual machine (or whatever they call it) and the I/O was extremely bad. [16:48] there was some kind of auto-throttling where things became near unusable. [16:49] that said he was running scripts to create database records. [16:49] duplicity knows the difference between triple and double replicated S3 space? damn... [16:50] but even if with however much they invest in storage it seemed strange there would be those I/O issues. [16:51] i suppose that could be their way to encourage people to spend more [17:01] the more i read about amazon the more confused i am [17:23] ntt has confusing names for their locations [17:23] i was trying to figure out where lsanca was [17:23] apparently it's los angeles, north california? [17:24] where sydnau is sydney, australia, and osakjp is osaka, japan [17:24] so i thought it might be canada or such :) [17:24] oh maybe n is north america not north california [17:25] that makes more sense :) [18:41] probably a question for up_the_irons, but does arp have a managed storage product? [18:54] what is managed storage? [18:57] i guess that's a poor term on my part. i'm really looking for something zfs backed that i can mount via nfs/cifs, etc. [19:07] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [19:43] JC_Denton: what zfs feature are you looking for that a standard raid file server would not have? [19:49] JC_Denton: so nfs/cifs/iscsi storage? [19:50] how is cifs different from samba? [19:50] do you mean with snapshots etc, or just with checksumming etc? [19:50] mnathani_: samba is an implementation of cifs [19:50] it's like kleenex vs tissues [20:12] anyone know of a service that will monitor a nameserver for changes and send an email alert once the nameserver changes? [20:18] *** dj_goku has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) [20:23] *** dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks [20:30] mercutio: yeah [20:31] checksumming, snapshotting [20:32] i mean i could do sshfs with rsync.net or someone similar since they're zfs backed, but the latency would probably be painful [20:33] would the cost per gb be a lot more than the current backup product? [20:33] considering the management overhead etc [20:34] * JC_Denton thumps head [20:34] i really need to read the support kb a bit [20:34] i guess my curiosity is are those checksummed FSes [20:48] JC_Denton: well the idea is interesting, but i don't know what the security implications of having public cifs/nfs/etc are. [20:49] i'm kind of a fan of nfs+zfs [20:49] you can do exposed snapdir and be able to see files inside individual snapshots [20:49] so it's pretty seemless [20:49] tunneling it might solve the security issue [20:50] i was more thinking that cifs, nfs etc may have security ramifications of elevating privileges or such. [20:51] maybe it's not so bad these days [20:51] in sunos times, portmap, nfs etc were quite vulnerable [20:52] hah so now days i find portmap can be used for ddos amplification attacks. [21:48] updating windows 10 in a VMware Virtual Machine - signed up for the insider program, so I should get the linux addon feature [21:53] JC_Denton: mercutio : i think I'm confused as to what "managed storage" is also ;) [21:54] bad terminology on my part ;) [21:55] what file system does the backup product use? [22:01] just straight linux, probably ext3 [22:01] Are you looking for something where you can 'zfs send' snapshots and stuff? Like, a zfs-based storage / backup solution? [22:09] i'm mostly after the checksumming [22:13] from that point of view you could use zfs locally though? [22:13] i could, but i didn [22:14] ^'t setup that way :( [22:14] heh [22:14] what OS are you using? [22:14] kind of committed at this point [22:14] debian, ext4 [22:15] yeah on linux zfs root is a bit more iffy [22:16] you could get another drive and stick zfs on it? [22:16] i could, i suppose [22:16] not sure my metal machine could hold another drive, though [22:16] ahh this is on metal [22:16] yeah [22:17] right now i run my backups over rsnapshot to a ZFS NAS i have at home [22:17] that is an extra interesting point in a way [22:17] but my home bandwidth sucks obviously [22:17] how so? [22:18] well shared storage would definitely be nifty for vm's to be able to read the same data from different vm's, but on metal machines if you have 2 ssd's or such, it would actually be rather useful to have some bulk storage etc. [22:18] and for bulk storage you may not even use it that much [22:19] and in metal it means having an extra spinning disk, then at least one more for if there's hard-disk failure etc. [22:19] yeah, i've got two ssds in my metal right now, i've got a root partition on the one disk and then spread across the rest in a LVM configuration [22:19] i've got VMs then using LVs right off that setup under KVM [22:20] did you want space just for backups, or would you rather be able to run vm's on the remote space? [22:20] VMs [22:21] just backups [22:21] ahh ok [22:21] maybe something live with sshfs, nothing too exciting [22:23] well md5/sha256 should work ok to know if you are not getting corrupt data. [22:24] yeah, i've thought about using aide to do the monitoring [22:28] in some ways i think using iscsi to somewhere would make the most sense [22:28] yeah, most likely [22:28] then running zfs on top of that [22:54] hmm, I dont see the latest windows insider update [22:58] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dB0igTfhfg [22:58] YouTube video: "Build 2016 - Running Bash on Ubuntu on Windows!" by DotNet World [23:06] i see it mnathani_ [23:06] are you on fast path or slow path or what? [23:07] I set it to fast [23:07] but might take a while, as I just set it [23:07] it doesn't always update instantly [23:07] I wonder if there is a way to sideload it [23:07] you want build 14316 [23:08] actually i only see 14295 [23:08] i'm on slow path and defer upgrades [23:08] but a notification came up about it [23:09] my windows 10 ois on 11102