[00:08] whats a really good web based calendar app for someone looking to move away from google calendar [00:08] fruux [00:12] mike-burns: thanks, checking it out now [00:34] @weather yyz [00:34] There are 2 weather alerts in effect for your area! There is a Winter Weather Statement. There is a Special Weather Statement. [00:34] Toronto-Pearson International, Ontario: Light Snow ❄ 21°F (-6°C), Humidity: 93%, Wind: From the NE at 13 MPH Gusting to 20 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=43.67722321,-79.63055420 or re-request this with: @weather -v yyz [00:35] Chilly. And it hit 20C here today, just a few thousand km west. [00:37] https://www.flickr.com/photos/mnathani/albums/72157666641285581\ [00:37] https://www.flickr.com/photos/mnathani/albums/72157666641285581 [00:37] here are some shots I took a few minutes ago [00:38] notice the snow accumulating [00:39] Oh that's so pretty [00:39] right untill you need to walk through it or drive [00:39] <-- works from home :P [00:40] no wonder you are on IRC all the time :-) [00:40] Seriously [00:40] All the same, I had my own dose of "ugh, not *more* snow" this winter. But Spring is, well, springing here. [00:41] when are you getting your symmetric fat internet pipe at home? [00:41] About 2 weeks (when I move) [00:43] *** JC_Denton has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [00:45] My home working environment has gotten quieter this weekend. :D I have scripted my backups to power on/off + zpool import/export my Xserve RAID (FC disk shelf) so it's only running when it's needed. [00:46] *** JC_Denton has joined #arpnetworks [06:34] *** ziyourenxiang has joined #arpnetworks [08:58] *** ziyourenxiang has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [09:11] *** Lucifer333 has joined #arpnetworks [09:21] *** Lucifer333 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [12:33] brycec: will save power too :) [12:33] True, though that is frankly low on my priority list [12:34] power is cheap, etc [12:34] brycec: true, but to me it seems like a tax :) [12:34] it's kind of like paying bank charges. [12:34] it may not be that high in the big scheme of things, but it just doesn't seem a nice place to spend money ;) [12:34] I'm much more concerned about personal comfort - noise, heat, whatnot. [12:35] heh i don't use any hard-disks normally in my main room [12:35] I don't object to paying an electric bill. A service was performed, I benefited from it. Why wouldn't I pay? [12:35] and now even one sounds noisy [12:35] well it's more about conserving power [12:35] or not using excessive power [12:38] Heh in winter I am less concerned about power from servers because less heating [12:40] But to my mind saving 100 watts over 24 hours seems significant [12:41] a fc disk array probably uses more than that [12:41] it's probably only $40/year or something though. [12:43] *** gizmoguy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [12:44] err more like $180/year [12:46] hmm, california is cheaper for power than new zealand. [12:48] *** gizmoguy has joined #arpnetworks [12:51] (not that I pay CA's relatively high power rates) [12:51] heh [12:51] california is cheap [12:51] yeh lots of the US seems cheaper than california [12:53] (for both power supplies jointly) Standby: 27W Peak: 450W when powering on. Idle: 238W [12:53] that's for redundant PSU, redundant fans, redundant controllers, and 14 IDE drives [12:53] any idea what your unit cost for power is like? [12:55] It's tiered. First 800kWh is billed at $0.07676/kWh. 801-1500 is billed at $0.08773/kWh [12:56] wow! [12:56] that's cheap :) [12:56] Last month I used 995kWh for a bill of about $88 (after city tax etc) [12:56] damn [12:56] *** Lucifer333 has joined #arpnetworks [12:57] would use less than 800kwh a month here [12:57] So you can understand why power consumption is nowhere near top of my list :p Plus it's been winter... [12:57] yeah i get yah [12:57] So 250W at 30d*24h is 180kWh [12:58] or $13/mo [12:58] yeah [12:58] Granted that's nearly 15% of my bill for one damn machine... but not bad overall. [12:58] wheeas here it's more $35 to $40/month [12:58] in USD [12:59] of something which doesn't need to be there :) [12:59] If it only runs about an hour a day, that drops it to 7.5kWh/mo, or $0.57/month [13:00] A 95% reduction :) [13:00] yes [13:00] although then you'll hear it turn on/off [13:00] Not that it would bother me [13:00] i suppose you also don't care about phantom power? [13:00] Is that something that bothers people? [13:00] err is that the name [13:01] power usage of idle appliacnes [13:01] like some microwaves use 5 watts when they're turned off [13:01] Oh right I forgot to factor in its standby draw of 27W [13:01] 27watts standby is quite high actually [13:01] Agreed [13:01] but still less than runtime draw :p [13:01] but you'd need to use some kind of device to turn on/off otherwise [13:01] and if power is so cheap.. [13:02] 18.63kWh+7.5kWh if including standby in my maths [13:02] annoying thing about fc disks is you can't usually just put them in a normal machine [13:02] eh? These are pretty normal IDE disks [13:02] oh real [13:02] really [13:02] Just an Xserve RAID [13:03] ahh xserve raid just exports via FC? [13:03] Yes [13:03] i played with FC a little with opensolaris [13:03] opensolaris can act as a fc host. [13:03] so you can do fc client to them [13:03] dunno if that's the right terms. [13:04] Drive sled/caddy http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/Nzc0WDEwMjQ=/$T2eC16RHJGQE9noM,BV-BQ9(pFVYe!~~60_12.JPG?set_id=880000500F [13:04] interesting [13:05] i like to try to not have too much data [13:05] makes backups easier :) [13:05] I use my array for storing backups :P [13:05] brycec: why IDE as opposed to SATA disks [13:05] mnathani_: you'd have to ask Apple, mate. [13:05] fc is old [13:05] I didn't design the thing :p [13:05] fc as in fiber channel? [13:05] yeah [13:06] Fibre channel, yeah [13:06] the old 2/4gigabit stuff [13:06] (there's faster FC nowadays too) [13:06] 8gigabit? [13:06] or over 10? [13:06] Oh yeah, rather old indeed. This unit itself is from 2004 I think. [13:06] fc seemed kind of cool [13:06] mercutio: 8 and 16 [13:07] (yep confirmed, this unit is from 2004) [13:07] heh [13:07] so yeah that's why idee [13:07] damn so are your disks from 2004 too? [13:07] Right, it's 12 years old :P [13:08] mercutio: Some of them, others newer [13:08] Youngest disk is probably from 2008 I'd guess [13:08] i'd be tempted to just make a new raid array with current disk s:) [13:09] 5tb disks aren't that expensive etc [13:09] Sure but they don't come in IDE, with an excuse to use this massive thing :P [13:09] you want an excuse to use it? [13:09] I like old tech, duh. [13:10] heh [13:10] use a sparc with scsi disks then :) [13:10] Like I said, it's nearline storage for backups, stuff that eventually gets uploaded to S3 (currently). I don't need much, and I don't need it to last (though it has remarkably) [13:10] My sparc machine has IDE actually, but my powermacs and IIgs use SCSI :p [13:10] yeah lots of old tech lasts real well [13:11] is a sun fire v245 any good? [13:12] Four DIMM slots per processor, registered DDR-1 SDRAM [13:12] ddr1 haha [13:13] * brycec can beat that for age so easily... [13:13] eg Sunblade 150 and its DIMM modules [13:13] i had a sparc 1 before [13:13] I used to have some stuff that used SIMMs but I'm pretty sure I junked it [13:13] it booted so damn slow [13:13] generating ssh keys took forever [13:13] and scrolling was ick [13:14] loading X was hard on it too [13:14] i think it only had 8mb of ram [13:19] (oh right, my old 486 laptop uses SIMMs, but it doesn't seem to work anymore) [13:19] http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sun-SPARC-Enterprise-T5220-UltraSparc-T2-32GB-RAM-4x-146GB-DVD-Server-Untested-/281892793721?hash=item41a21ead79:g:Yd4AAOSwSdZWevHj [13:19] that'd be kind of fun [13:20] http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sun-MicroSystem-Sparc-Enterprise-T5220-Ultrasparc-T2-8-Cores-1-20GHz-32GB-RAM/172148576968?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D36331%26meid%3Dcf6dff489aaa44648f063955c3a6cbba%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D281892793721 [13:20] there's possibly cheaper ones with huge shipping costs to nz :) [13:32] "Less than 80 dBA sound power in ambient temperature of up to 24?? C, measured on a standalone system to ISO 9296 requirements" [13:32] less than 70 dbA would still be disconcerting.. [13:59] *** Lucifer333 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [14:52] * dne used 116kWh in february [14:52] Nice! [14:53] That would've netted you a $17 electric bill where I live [14:56] brycec: no daily charges? [14:56] mercutio: Just a monthly account fee $8/mo and city tax [14:57] nice [14:57] monthly account fee is like daily charges though. at least it's low :) [14:57] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3167967/screenshot_2016-04-04_14-53-29.png [14:58] my normal bill is just over $90 USD i think. [14:58] @exch 89 USD NZD [14:58] 89 USD -> 130.181724 NZD (as of Mon, 04 Apr 2016 14:00:09 -0700) [14:58] oh ok [14:58] it's more like $140 NZD [14:58] that i was thinking [14:58] @exch 140 NZD USD [14:58] 140 NZD -> 95.71235974721 USD (as of Mon, 04 Apr 2016 14:00:09 -0700) [14:59] but i'm more moderate with my power usage it seems :) [14:59] and it's higher in winter [15:00] last bill was $155.08 [15:00] @exch 155.08 nzd usd [15:00] 155.08 NZD -> 106.02194821141 USD (as of Mon, 04 Apr 2016 14:00:09 -0700) [15:02] that's for 577 units [15:02] power costs more in winter too [15:03] that puts average unit cost at 0.268c/kwh [15:03] damn how did dne use so little power :) [15:33] *** Lucifer333 has joined #arpnetworks [17:02] *** KDE_Perry has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [17:02] *** KDE_Perry has joined #arpnetworks [20:08] *** ben1 has joined #arpnetworks [20:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ben1 [20:09] *** mercutio has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [20:12] I live in an apartment building, power is included in my rent [20:42] I haven't seen a place include power with the rent since the dorms in college [21:38] apartments including power does seem strange [21:39] *** ben1 is now known as mercutio [21:39] in some situations where people get power included it's just because they can't meter it [21:52] i live in an apartment with water+electricity included as well, it used to be common here especially in older buildings [21:52] most new contracts/agreements are not like that, and are metered [22:11] yea, heat+water+electricity and most maintenance as well all included [22:38] i don't get paying for water [22:38] it seems silly to me [22:38] we're paying for water here [22:39] but it varies by city [23:38] mercutio: small apartment, with gas stove :) [23:38] gas hot water too? [23:41] nah, hot/cold water, heating etc is included in "rent" [23:41] ahh [23:45] (housing cooperative so not really rent, but "monthly fee for shared stuff") [23:54] ahh yip [23:54] is it some kind of central heating? [23:59] district heating even