mike-burns: fruux mnathani_: mike-burns: thanks, checking it out now
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here are some shots I took a few minutes ago
notice the snow accumulating brycec: Oh that's so pretty mnathani_: right untill you need to walk through it or drive brycec: <-- works from home :P mnathani_: no wonder you are on IRC all the time :-) brycec: Seriously
All the same, I had my own dose of "ugh, not *more* snow" this winter. But Spring is, well, springing here. mnathani_: when are you getting your symmetric fat internet pipe at home? brycec: About 2 weeks (when I move) ***: JC_Denton has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) brycec: My home working environment has gotten quieter this weekend. :D I have scripted my backups to power on/off + zpool import/export my Xserve RAID (FC disk shelf) so it's only running when it's needed. ***: JC_Denton has joined #arpnetworks
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Lucifer333 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) mercutio: brycec: will save power too :) brycec: True, though that is frankly low on my priority list
power is cheap, etc mercutio: brycec: true, but to me it seems like a tax :)
it's kind of like paying bank charges.
it may not be that high in the big scheme of things, but it just doesn't seem a nice place to spend money ;) brycec: I'm much more concerned about personal comfort - noise, heat, whatnot. mercutio: heh i don't use any hard-disks normally in my main room brycec: I don't object to paying an electric bill. A service was performed, I benefited from it. Why wouldn't I pay? mercutio: and now even one sounds noisy
well it's more about conserving power
or not using excessive power
Heh in winter I am less concerned about power from servers because less heating
But to my mind saving 100 watts over 24 hours seems significant
a fc disk array probably uses more than that
it's probably only $40/year or something though. ***: gizmoguy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) mercutio: err more like $180/year
hmm, california is cheaper for power than new zealand. ***: gizmoguy has joined #arpnetworks brycec: (not that I pay CA's relatively high power rates) mercutio: heh
california is cheap
yeh lots of the US seems cheaper than california brycec: (for both power supplies jointly) Standby: 27W Peak: 450W when powering on. Idle: 238W
that's for redundant PSU, redundant fans, redundant controllers, and 14 IDE drives mercutio: any idea what your unit cost for power is like? brycec: It's tiered. First 800kWh is billed at $0.07676/kWh. 801-1500 is billed at $0.08773/kWh mercutio: wow!
that's cheap :) brycec: Last month I used 995kWh for a bill of about $88 (after city tax etc) mercutio: damn ***: Lucifer333 has joined #arpnetworks mercutio: would use less than 800kwh a month here brycec: So you can understand why power consumption is nowhere near top of my list :p Plus it's been winter... mercutio: yeah i get yah brycec: So 250W at 30d*24h is 180kWh
or $13/mo mercutio: yeah brycec: Granted that's nearly 15% of my bill for one damn machine... but not bad overall. mercutio: wheeas here it's more $35 to $40/month
in USD
of something which doesn't need to be there :) brycec: If it only runs about an hour a day, that drops it to 7.5kWh/mo, or $0.57/month
A 95% reduction :) mercutio: yes
although then you'll hear it turn on/off brycec: Not that it would bother me mercutio: i suppose you also don't care about phantom power? brycec: Is that something that bothers people? mercutio: err is that the name
power usage of idle appliacnes
like some microwaves use 5 watts when they're turned off brycec: Oh right I forgot to factor in its standby draw of 27W mercutio: 27watts standby is quite high actually brycec: Agreed
but still less than runtime draw :p mercutio: but you'd need to use some kind of device to turn on/off otherwise
and if power is so cheap.. brycec: 18.63kWh+7.5kWh if including standby in my maths mercutio: annoying thing about fc disks is you can't usually just put them in a normal machine brycec: eh? These are pretty normal IDE disks mercutio: oh real brycec: really
Just an Xserve RAID mercutio: ahh xserve raid just exports via FC? brycec: Yes mercutio: i played with FC a little with opensolaris
opensolaris can act as a fc host.
so you can do fc client to them
dunno if that's the right terms. brycec: Drive sled/caddy http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/Nzc0WDEwMjQ=/$T2eC16RHJGQE9noM,BV-BQ9(pFVYe!~~60_12.JPG?set_id=880000500F mercutio: interesting
i like to try to not have too much data
makes backups easier :) brycec: I use my array for storing backups :P mnathani_: brycec: why IDE as opposed to SATA disks brycec: mnathani_: you'd have to ask Apple, mate. mercutio: fc is old brycec: I didn't design the thing :p mnathani_: fc as in fiber channel? mercutio: yeah brycec: Fibre channel, yeah mercutio: the old 2/4gigabit stuff brycec: (there's faster FC nowadays too) mercutio: 8gigabit?
or over 10? brycec: Oh yeah, rather old indeed. This unit itself is from 2004 I think. mercutio: fc seemed kind of cool brycec: mercutio: 8 and 16
(yep confirmed, this unit is from 2004) mercutio: heh
so yeah that's why idee
damn so are your disks from 2004 too? brycec: Right, it's 12 years old :P
mercutio: Some of them, others newer
Youngest disk is probably from 2008 I'd guess mercutio: i'd be tempted to just make a new raid array with current disk s:)
5tb disks aren't that expensive etc brycec: Sure but they don't come in IDE, with an excuse to use this massive thing :P mercutio: you want an excuse to use it? brycec: I like old tech, duh. mercutio: heh
use a sparc with scsi disks then :) brycec: Like I said, it's nearline storage for backups, stuff that eventually gets uploaded to S3 (currently). I don't need much, and I don't need it to last (though it has remarkably)
My sparc machine has IDE actually, but my powermacs and IIgs use SCSI :p mercutio: yeah lots of old tech lasts real well
is a sun fire v245 any good?
Four DIMM slots per processor, registered DDR-1 SDRAM
ddr1 haha -: brycec can beat that for age so easily... brycec: eg Sunblade 150 and its DIMM modules mercutio: i had a sparc 1 before brycec: I used to have some stuff that used SIMMs but I'm pretty sure I junked it mercutio: it booted so damn slow
generating ssh keys took forever
and scrolling was ick
loading X was hard on it too
i think it only had 8mb of ram brycec: (oh right, my old 486 laptop uses SIMMs, but it doesn't seem to work anymore) mercutio: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sun-SPARC-Enterprise-T5220-UltraSparc-T2-32GB-RAM-4x-146GB-DVD-Server-Untested-/281892793721?hash=item41a21ead79:g:Yd4AAOSwSdZWevHj
that'd be kind of fun
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sun-MicroSystem-Sparc-Enterprise-T5220-Ultrasparc-T2-8-Cores-1-20GHz-32GB-RAM/172148576968?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D36331%26meid%3Dcf6dff489aaa44648f063955c3a6cbba%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D281892793721
there's possibly cheaper ones with huge shipping costs to nz :)
"Less than 80 dBA sound power in ambient temperature of up to 24?? C, measured on a standalone system to ISO 9296 requirements"
less than 70 dbA would still be disconcerting.. ***: Lucifer333 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) -: dne used 116kWh in february brycec: Nice!
That would've netted you a $17 electric bill where I live mercutio: brycec: no daily charges? brycec: mercutio: Just a monthly account fee $8/mo and city tax mercutio: nice
monthly account fee is like daily charges though. at least it's low :) brycec: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3167967/screenshot_2016-04-04_14-53-29.png mercutio: my normal bill is just over $90 USD i think. brycec: @exch 89 USD NZD BryceBot: 89 USD -> 130.181724 NZD (as of Mon, 04 Apr 2016 14:00:09 -0700) mercutio: oh ok
it's more like $140 NZD
that i was thinking brycec: @exch 140 NZD USD BryceBot: 140 NZD -> 95.71235974721 USD (as of Mon, 04 Apr 2016 14:00:09 -0700) mercutio: but i'm more moderate with my power usage it seems :)
and it's higher in winter
last bill was $155.08
@exch 155.08 nzd usd BryceBot: 155.08 NZD -> 106.02194821141 USD (as of Mon, 04 Apr 2016 14:00:09 -0700) mercutio: that's for 577 units
power costs more in winter too
that puts average unit cost at 0.268c/kwh
damn how did dne use so little power :) ***: Lucifer333 has joined #arpnetworks
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mercutio has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) nathani: I live in an apartment building, power is included in my rent brycec: I haven't seen a place include power with the rent since the dorms in college ben1: apartments including power does seem strange ***: ben1 is now known as mercutio mercutio: in some situations where people get power included it's just because they can't meter it staticsafe: i live in an apartment with water+electricity included as well, it used to be common here especially in older buildings
most new contracts/agreements are not like that, and are metered mnathani_: yea, heat+water+electricity and most maintenance as well all included mercutio: i don't get paying for water
it seems silly to me
we're paying for water here
but it varies by city dne: mercutio: small apartment, with gas stove :) mercutio: gas hot water too? dne: nah, hot/cold water, heating etc is included in "rent" mercutio: ahh dne: (housing cooperative so not really rent, but "monthly fee for shared stuff") mercutio: ahh yip
is it some kind of central heating? dne: district heating even