#arpnetworks 2016-04-04,Mon

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mnathani_whats a really good web based calendar app for someone looking to move away from google calendar [00:08]
mike-burnsfruux [00:08]
mnathani_mike-burns: thanks, checking it out now [00:12]
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@weather yyz [00:34]
BryceBotThere are 2 weather alerts in effect for your area! There is a Winter Weather Statement. There is a Special Weather Statement.
Toronto-Pearson International, Ontario: Light Snow ❄ 21°F (-6°C), Humidity: 93%, Wind: From the NE at 13 MPH Gusting to 20 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=43.67722321,-79.63055420 or re-request this with: @weather -v yyz
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brycecChilly. And it hit 20C here today, just a few thousand km west. [00:35]
mnathani_https://www.flickr.com/photos/mnathani/albums/72157666641285581
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mnathani/albums/72157666641285581
here are some shots I took a few minutes ago
notice the snow accumulating 		[00:37]
brycecOh that's so pretty [00:39]
mnathani_right untill you need to walk through it or drive [00:39]
brycec<-- works from home :P [00:39]
mnathani_no wonder you are on IRC all the time :-) [00:40]
brycecSeriously
All the same, I had my own dose of "ugh, not *more* snow" this winter. But Spring is, well, springing here. 		[00:40]
mnathani_when are you getting your symmetric fat internet pipe at home? [00:41]
brycecAbout 2 weeks (when I move) [00:41]
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brycecMy home working environment has gotten quieter this weekend. :D I have scripted my backups to power on/off + zpool import/export my Xserve RAID (FC disk shelf) so it's only running when it's needed. [00:45]
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mercutiobrycec: will save power too :) [12:33]
brycecTrue, though that is frankly low on my priority list
power is cheap, etc 		[12:33]
mercutiobrycec: true, but to me it seems like a tax :)
it's kind of like paying bank charges.
it may not be that high in the big scheme of things, but it just doesn't seem a nice place to spend money ;) 		[12:34]
brycecI'm much more concerned about personal comfort - noise, heat, whatnot. [12:34]
mercutioheh i don't use any hard-disks normally in my main room [12:35]
brycecI don't object to paying an electric bill. A service was performed, I benefited from it. Why wouldn't I pay? [12:35]
mercutioand now even one sounds noisy
well it's more about conserving power
or not using excessive power
Heh in winter I am less concerned about power from servers because less heating
But to my mind saving 100 watts over 24 hours seems significant
a fc disk array probably uses more than that
it's probably only $40/year or something though. 		[12:35]
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mercutioerr more like $180/year
hmm, california is cheaper for power than new zealand. 		[12:44]
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brycec(not that I pay CA's relatively high power rates) [12:51]
mercutioheh
california is cheap
yeh lots of the US seems cheaper than california 		[12:51]
brycec(for both power supplies jointly) Standby: 27W Peak: 450W when powering on. Idle: 238W
that's for redundant PSU, redundant fans, redundant controllers, and 14 IDE drives 		[12:53]
mercutioany idea what your unit cost for power is like? [12:53]
brycecIt's tiered. First 800kWh is billed at $0.07676/kWh. 801-1500 is billed at $0.08773/kWh [12:55]
mercutiowow!
that's cheap :) 		[12:56]
brycecLast month I used 995kWh for a bill of about $88 (after city tax etc) [12:56]
mercutiodamn [12:56]
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mercutiowould use less than 800kwh a month here [12:57]
brycecSo you can understand why power consumption is nowhere near top of my list :p Plus it's been winter... [12:57]
mercutioyeah i get yah [12:57]
brycecSo 250W at 30d*24h is 180kWh
or $13/mo 		[12:57]
mercutioyeah [12:58]
brycecGranted that's nearly 15% of my bill for one damn machine... but not bad overall. [12:58]
mercutiowheeas here it's more $35 to $40/month
in USD
of something which doesn't need to be there :) 		[12:58]
brycecIf it only runs about an hour a day, that drops it to 7.5kWh/mo, or $0.57/month
A 95% reduction :) 		[12:59]
mercutioyes
although then you'll hear it turn on/off 		[13:00]
brycecNot that it would bother me [13:00]
mercutioi suppose you also don't care about phantom power? [13:00]
brycecIs that something that bothers people? [13:00]
mercutioerr is that the name
power usage of idle appliacnes
like some microwaves use 5 watts when they're turned off 		[13:00]
brycecOh right I forgot to factor in its standby draw of 27W [13:01]
mercutio27watts standby is quite high actually [13:01]
brycecAgreed
but still less than runtime draw :p 		[13:01]
mercutiobut you'd need to use some kind of device to turn on/off otherwise
and if power is so cheap.. 		[13:01]
brycec18.63kWh+7.5kWh if including standby in my maths [13:02]
mercutioannoying thing about fc disks is you can't usually just put them in a normal machine [13:02]
bryceceh? These are pretty normal IDE disks [13:02]
mercutiooh real [13:02]
brycecreally
Just an Xserve RAID 		[13:02]
mercutioahh xserve raid just exports via FC? [13:03]
brycecYes [13:03]
mercutioi played with FC a little with opensolaris
opensolaris can act as a fc host.
so you can do fc client to them
dunno if that's the right terms. 		[13:03]
brycecDrive sled/caddy http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/Nzc0WDEwMjQ=/$T2eC16RHJGQE9noM,BV-BQ9(pFVYe!~~60_12.JPG?set_id=880000500F [13:04]
mercutiointeresting
i like to try to not have too much data
makes backups easier :) 		[13:04]
brycecI use my array for storing backups :P [13:05]
mnathani_brycec: why IDE as opposed to SATA disks [13:05]
brycecmnathani_: you'd have to ask Apple, mate. [13:05]
mercutiofc is old [13:05]
brycecI didn't design the thing :p [13:05]
mnathani_fc as in fiber channel? [13:05]
mercutioyeah [13:05]
brycecFibre channel, yeah [13:06]
mercutiothe old 2/4gigabit stuff [13:06]
brycec(there's faster FC nowadays too) [13:06]
mercutio8gigabit?
or over 10? 		[13:06]
brycecOh yeah, rather old indeed. This unit itself is from 2004 I think. [13:06]
mercutiofc seemed kind of cool [13:06]
brycecmercutio: 8 and 16
(yep confirmed, this unit is from 2004) 		[13:06]
mercutioheh
so yeah that's why idee
damn so are your disks from 2004 too? 		[13:07]
brycecRight, it's 12 years old :P
mercutio: Some of them, others newer
Youngest disk is probably from 2008 I'd guess 		[13:07]
mercutioi'd be tempted to just make a new raid array with current disk s:)
5tb disks aren't that expensive etc 		[13:08]
brycecSure but they don't come in IDE, with an excuse to use this massive thing :P [13:09]
mercutioyou want an excuse to use it? [13:09]
brycecI like old tech, duh. [13:09]
mercutioheh
use a sparc with scsi disks then :) 		[13:10]
brycecLike I said, it's nearline storage for backups, stuff that eventually gets uploaded to S3 (currently). I don't need much, and I don't need it to last (though it has remarkably)
My sparc machine has IDE actually, but my powermacs and IIgs use SCSI :p 		[13:10]
mercutioyeah lots of old tech lasts real well
is a sun fire v245 any good?
Four DIMM slots per processor, registered DDR-1 SDRAM
ddr1 haha 		[13:10]
brycecbrycec can beat that for age so easily...
eg Sunblade 150 and its DIMM modules 		[13:13]
mercutioi had a sparc 1 before [13:13]
brycecI used to have some stuff that used SIMMs but I'm pretty sure I junked it [13:13]
mercutioit booted so damn slow
generating ssh keys took forever
and scrolling was ick
loading X was hard on it too
i think it only had 8mb of ram 		[13:13]
brycec(oh right, my old 486 laptop uses SIMMs, but it doesn't seem to work anymore) [13:19]
mercutiohttp://www.ebay.com/itm/Sun-SPARC-Enterprise-T5220-UltraSparc-T2-32GB-RAM-4x-146GB-DVD-Server-Untested-/281892793721?hash=item41a21ead79:g:Yd4AAOSwSdZWevHj
that'd be kind of fun
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sun-MicroSystem-Sparc-Enterprise-T5220-Ultrasparc-T2-8-Cores-1-20GHz-32GB-RAM/172148576968?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D36331%26meid%3Dcf6dff489aaa44648f063955c3a6cbba%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D281892793721
there's possibly cheaper ones with huge shipping costs to nz :) 		[13:19]
"Less than 80 dBA sound power in ambient temperature of up to 24?? C, measured on a standalone system to ISO 9296 requirements"
less than 70 dbA would still be disconcerting.. 		[13:32]
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dnedne used 116kWh in february [14:52]
brycecNice!
That would've netted you a $17 electric bill where I live 		[14:52]
mercutiobrycec: no daily charges? [14:56]
brycecmercutio: Just a monthly account fee $8/mo and city tax [14:56]
mercutionice
monthly account fee is like daily charges though. at least it's low :) 		[14:57]
brycechttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3167967/screenshot_2016-04-04_14-53-29.png [14:57]
mercutiomy normal bill is just over $90 USD i think. [14:58]
brycec@exch 89 USD NZD [14:58]
BryceBot89 USD -> 130.181724 NZD (as of Mon, 04 Apr 2016 14:00:09 -0700) [14:58]
mercutiooh ok
it's more like $140 NZD
that i was thinking 		[14:58]
brycec@exch 140 NZD USD [14:58]
BryceBot140 NZD -> 95.71235974721 USD (as of Mon, 04 Apr 2016 14:00:09 -0700) [14:58]
mercutiobut i'm more moderate with my power usage it seems :)
and it's higher in winter
last bill was $155.08
@exch 155.08 nzd usd 		[14:59]
BryceBot155.08 NZD -> 106.02194821141 USD (as of Mon, 04 Apr 2016 14:00:09 -0700) [15:00]
mercutiothat's for 577 units
power costs more in winter too
that puts average unit cost at 0.268c/kwh
damn how did dne use so little power :) 		[15:02]
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nathaniI live in an apartment building, power is included in my rent [20:12]
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brycecI haven't seen a place include power with the rent since the dorms in college [20:42]
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ben1apartments including power does seem strange [21:38]
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mercutioin some situations where people get power included it's just because they can't meter it [21:39]
staticsafei live in an apartment with water+electricity included as well, it used to be common here especially in older buildings
most new contracts/agreements are not like that, and are metered 		[21:52]
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mnathani_yea, heat+water+electricity and most maintenance as well all included [22:11]
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mercutioi don't get paying for water
it seems silly to me
we're paying for water here
but it varies by city 		[22:38]
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dnemercutio: small apartment, with gas stove :) [23:38]
mercutiogas hot water too? [23:38]
dnenah, hot/cold water, heating etc is included in "rent" [23:41]
mercutioahh [23:41]
dne(housing cooperative so not really rent, but "monthly fee for shared stuff") [23:45]
mercutioahh yip
is it some kind of central heating? 		[23:54]
dnedistrict heating even [23:59]
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