[00:05] *** erratic has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [00:40] *** knoxville has joined #arpnetworks [00:44] does StartSSL require installing a Certificate Authority in the browser, or does it work out of the box? [00:44] Here's a sample cert: https://mike-burns.com/ [00:45] is that a free cert install? [00:45] Yes. [00:45] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StartCom#Trustworthiness [00:45] StartCom :: StartCom is a company based in Eilat, Israel that has three main activities: StartCom Linux Enterprise (Linux distribution), StartSSL (certificate authority) and MediaHost (web hosting). StartSSL StartCom offers the free (for personal use) Class 1 X.509 SSL certificate "StartSSL Free", which works for webservers (SSL/TLS) as well as for E-mail encryption (S/MIME). It also offers Class 2 and 3 certificates as well... [01:23] I don't like StartSSL's policy of giving away free certs but then charging for revoking them if/when you need to, and not being flexible about that during Heartbleed. Lets Encrypt is very nice, I'm using it for a test domain and it all just works [01:35] exactly, I'd prefer paying $10-15/year for e.g. rapidssl than $25 fee for revocation [03:19] *** up_the_irons2 is now known as up_the_irons [03:19] *** up_the_irons is now known as Guest63715 [03:22] *** Guest63715 is now known as up_the_irons2 [03:53] *** Lucifer333 has joined #arpnetworks [04:32] *** erratic has joined #arpnetworks [06:22] *** pjs has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [06:23] *** joepie91_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [06:24] *** pjs has joined #arpnetworks [06:24] *** pjs is now known as Guest10296 [06:32] *** joepie91_ has joined #arpnetworks [06:35] *** knoxville has quit IRC (Quit: changing servers) [06:35] *** knoxville has joined #arpnetworks [06:51] *** knoxville has quit IRC (Quit: changing servers) [09:26] *** mnathani_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [09:26] *** mnathani2_ has joined #arpnetworks [09:57] mike-burns: I prefer StartSSL over LE because they're established, trusted (in the CA sense), and don't require me to jump through hoops (server-side scripts or modules for "automatic" renewals) Given that the CA trust model (and/or users) is fundamentally weak, I feel that $0 and replacing (not revoking) is reasonable, at least for my purposes. [09:58] mnathani2_: You might be thinking of cacert.org who also gave out free certificates, but last I checked required you to install their CA as most bundles didn't include them. [09:59] I can get behind that. I'm waiting for a non-annoying/non-invasive LE script -- nothing user-friendly, nothing that assumes I have no idea what TLS is. [10:23] *** mnathani2_ is now known as mnathani_ [11:47] *** Lucifer333 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [12:23] http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/ubuntus-bash-and-linux-command-line-coming-to-windows-10/ [12:23] Ars Technica: "Ubuntu’s bash and Linux command line coming to Windows 10" [12:23] i always liked it how OS X had zsh [12:23] I'm annoyed at the fanfare over bash, as though bash were all *that* great, or even the only thing out there. [12:23] I'm most surprised about the licensing aspects. [12:25] openbsd just dropped linux support [12:32] OpenBSD abandoned Linux support awhile ago. This was just the final flush. [12:32] if windows could run linux gui stuff as well as command line stuff would that way many people to try linux in windows, or to just use windows/linux rather than linux [12:33] Then they could announce Microsoft Xenix 3.0. [12:37] Heh [12:38] I am not against the idea of Microsoft UNIX [12:38] [again] [12:38] Too many people think Linux is all there is and Solaris has gone away [12:39] RIP Solaris and your sad excuse for /bin/sh. [12:39] I used zsh [12:39] And gcc [12:39] Open Indiana is around but it is all fragmented now [12:40] We still read from it at my code reading group. [12:40] Sometimes an ex-Sun employee shows up and gives historical trivia. [12:40] Cool [12:41] I struggle enough reading openbsd source [12:41] You should join a code reading group! [12:41] I wish Microsoft would explain how they're planning on doing this [12:41] Are they online? [12:41] http://www.meetup.com/The-Classical-Code-Reading-Group-of-Stockholm/events/229123954/ - no, they're in person. [12:41] *** meingtsla has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [12:42] *** meingtsla has joined #arpnetworks [12:42] Mkb like how openbsd does it I suspect [12:42] Kernel support for other binaries and a base installation [12:42] openbsd doesn't anymore iirc [12:43] but syscall emulation isn't so easy from windows where the kernel is completely different [12:43] it's possible of course [12:43] Openbsd still does free BSD afaik [12:43] and posix subsystems running on NT are nothing new [12:43] Which non-POSIX Linux syscall is especially tricky? [12:43] they'd need an X server [12:44] People have been running X, cygwin, etc., for years on Windows. [12:44] cygwin was terrible when i tried it [12:45] It was better than cmd.exe. [12:45] i'm not sure about X servers, i didn't have a lot of luck [12:45] cygwin is hardly linux though [12:45] they said 'ubuntu on windows' not some sort of POSIX subsystem just like all the others [12:46] well openbsd had redhat [12:46] who knows. they may just mean ubuntu the trademark rather than ubuntu the operating system [12:46] Heh. [12:46] it probably just means ubuntu package system etc. [12:46] well i for one am curious to see it :) [12:47] It's going to look like Ubuntu. [12:59] it is like openbsd [12:59] or rather solaris branded zones since they're more featureful [12:59] apparently these are "cmd.exe consoles" [13:00] I'm not entirely sure what that means, since it's supposed to be bash not cmd [13:01] I think it means they're windows consoles, which are very different from the usual unix terminals [13:01] They're not terminal emulators? [13:01] I admit, I know basically nothing about Windows. [13:02] there's no stream (such as would go over a serial port) [13:02] it's not some program emulating cursor addressing commands of some hardware but its own stream [13:02] s/stream/thing/ [13:02] it's not some program emulating cursor addressing commands of some hardware but its own thing [13:03] which is why so much doesn't work the same [13:11] *** meingtsla has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [13:11] *** meingtsla has joined #arpnetworks [13:50] mkb: MS haven't published how the ubuntu-on-windows works, but one of the Canonical guys doing it has a blog: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/03/ubuntu-on-windows.html [15:08] *** jbergstroem has quit IRC (Excess Flood) [15:08] *** jbergstroem has joined #arpnetworks [16:40] *** awyeah has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) [16:41] *** awyeah has joined #arpnetworks [18:49] *** mike-burns has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [20:05] *** erratic has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [20:31] *** erratic has joined #arpnetworks [20:33] *** plett_ has joined #arpnetworks [20:36] *** JC_Denton has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [20:36] *** trobotham-cloud has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [20:36] *** plett has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [20:37] *** freedomcode has joined #arpnetworks [20:37] *** gizmoguy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [20:37] *** reardencode has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [20:37] *** gizmoguy has joined #arpnetworks [20:38] *** JC_Denton has joined #arpnetworks [20:42] *** trobotham-cloud has joined #arpnetworks [20:49] *** mike-burns has joined #arpnetworks [20:49] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mike-burns