#arpnetworks 2016-03-05,Sat

thanks mkb
is that standard, i couldn't even find any documentation indicating how to cancel a service
after i started getting invoice overdue reminders when my CC expired, I went to cancel it and couldn't find how, figured i would eventually get cut off
it's still running five months later

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spoke to garry, all sorted, thanks again

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mercutio

what letter will ubuntu 18.04 start with?
mnathani_: did you figure out the interconnect thing?

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brycec

@google ubuntu 18.04

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BryceBot

11,700 total results returned for 'ubuntu 18.04', here's 3
Download Ubuntu Server | Download | Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server) The Long Term Support version of Ubuntu Server, including the Icehouse release of OpenStack and support guaranteed until April 2019 — 64-bit only.
Ubuntu 18.04 LTS to Be Fully in Sync with Debian, Without Ubuntu ... (https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/45ep1p/ubuntu_1804_lts_to_be_fully_in_sync_with_debian/) Feb 12, 2016 ... inaccurateUbuntu 18.04 LTS to Be Fully in Sync with Debian, Without Ubuntu Specific Patches (plus.google.com). submitted 19 days ago by ...
Release end of life | Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life) When an Ubuntu release reaches its end of life it receives no further maintenance updates, including critical security upgrades. It is highly recommended that ...

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brycec

well that was less useful than I would have liked...

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mercutio

heh
i was just thinking they were going to run out of letters
well before ubuntu 18.04; but lts i was more curious about
oh ubuntu 18.04 may be called ballsy baboon
or busy beaver
so yeah they're going back to the start

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brycec

Aw I was hoping they'd wrap into numbers, base-36 style

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mnathani_

mercutio: the link brycec posted describes it using a bunch of other keywords I dont understand - but yea its an amazon or cloud based SDN Networking thing :-)

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brycec

lol

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mercutio

mnathani_: i've heard of megaport

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brycec

mnathani_: Are you familiar with datacenter interconnects?

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mercutio

their idea is bandwidth capacity on demand

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brycec

(typically other cabinets, other POP's in the datacenter, etc)

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mercutio

well dedicated bandwidth capacity on demand

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mnathani_

is that like a dedicated link or vpn between datacenters

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mercutio

so like say arp wanted to get gigabit to ams-ix
they could just fire it up,
then say they want to upgrade to 2 gigabit they could just raise it
then 3 ..

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brycec

Well the idea of an "Elastic Interconnect" is just that, but "cloud scale" (they have the infrastructure and turn on the right switches to bring you traffic)

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mercutio

yeah it's like mpls

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mnathani_

ahh, that makes more sense

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brycec

It's really nothing new, what they're selling, just buzz-wordier

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mercutio

so there'll just be /30 at each

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brycec

And possibly using fancy new tech like SDN

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mercutio

err at each end, and you won't see the inbetween hops
potentially bryce
but not necessarily.

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brycec

mercutio: "And *possibly* using..."

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mercutio

yeh
i'm agreeing with you but rewording, sorry :)

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brycec

Whether or not they use the tech and buzzwords they throw around on their website, who really knows (besides them)

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mercutio

it's not meant to matter
you the consumer are meant to just eat what they serve

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brycec

Unless you're the type of customer that wants to be using the hippest new thing.

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mercutio

i'm not a huge fan of sdn yet :)

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brycec

In which case yeah you go with the provider that uses $HipThing

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mercutio

but i am thinking that having open source switches is a wonderful idea

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mnathani_

someone does linux based switches/routers already
cant remember the name

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mercutio

mnathani_: a few do
most are vxworks though

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mnathani_

so you can install apps and do like gigabit captures eetc

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brycec

Anyone can, you can start with just openvswitch and a grapload of NICs
*crapload

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mercutio

brycec: you run out of pci-e lanes quickly
you can't do 48 10gbe ports on a pc :)

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brycec

Depends on the scale of switch you're looking to do :p

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mnathani_

I think it was arista: https://eos.arista.com/linux-as-a-switch-operating-system-five-lessons-learned/

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mercutio

and if want to do gbe why bother?

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brycec

For that matter, I have come across quad-NIC cards that can switch on-board, simply controlled by the host

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mercutio

yeah that's a good way to go

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brycec

So you can have 40GBps fabric among 5 ports, but if you have to packet switch to another card, you chew up host bus bandwidth
But I'm not in that world, these days, nor do I need anything truly fancy like SDN. So meh.

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mercutio

40gbe is actually a little hard
100gbe i think you'd really struggle to do on anything right now
pci-e3 x16 would be kind of near it's limits
pci-e 3.0
well i mean to really push it to it's limits :)

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brycec

*its

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mercutio

true
40gbe is coming down in cost though

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mnathani_

what do you do with 40gbe if your disks (ssd based) can't support that throughput

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mercutio

then you buy more disks
nvme ssd's do like 2 gigabytes/sec read
but right now 40gbe is usually used for aggregation
pushing over 10gbe isn't that hard, but running 40gbe to it's limit is a bit harder
http://www.mellanox.com/page/products_dyn?product_family=201&

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