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milki has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) | [00:35] |
| brycec | Well I guess I can guess which host zeit.arpnetworks is on :p | [00:50] |
| mercutio | haha
it'll be back soon are you on the notification list for that kvr? | [00:56] |
| brycec | mercutio: I have my own monitoring | [00:58] |
| mercutio | i mean for prewarning | [00:58] |
| brycec | that alerted me to it being down | [00:58] |
| mercutio | hopefully it wasn't too intrusive | [00:58] |
| brycec | mercutio: Oh, no but I saw the tweet | [00:58] |
| mercutio | it should be back in about 10 minutes | [01:00] |
| brycec | Cool good to know | [01:01] |
| And there it's pinging again | [01:08] | |
| mercutio | i underestimated :) | [01:08] |
| brycec | It's back up, cool | [01:09] |
| mercutio | yip it's all done now :)
hmm that was under the minimum estimated downtime. | [01:15] |
| brycec | Better shut the host down to make up the rest of the time
Wouldn't want people getting any ideas | [01:22] |
| mercutio | heh
i dunno i think most people have expectations of 0 downtime now actually most is probably not the word :) | [01:22] |
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| mnathani_ | anyone experience not being able to click the start button while connected to a windows 10 box via RDP? | [11:41] |
| brycec | Hm, nope (not that I [almost] ever *click* it, there's a key for that :p) | [11:47] |
| mnathani_ | neither click nor using the key worked for me
something to do with the RDP session | [11:48] |
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| RandalSchwartz | anyone here with experience with icecast? | [13:52] |
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| brycec | Long time ago | [14:15] |
| mercutio | maybe explorer locked up mnathani_ ?
i've seen a few weird situations with windows 10 and explorer. | [14:16] |
| brycec | That would be odd because I was 95% certain the start menu is controlled by dwm.exe | [14:16] |
| mercutio | well explorer issues can cause the whole start bar at the bottom of the screen to run into issues
hmm now i'm not sure if that's called start bar or there's some name that includes system tray start bar, quick launch, and the running applications. dwm is the "window manager" apparently | [14:17] |
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| brycec | Might even say the "desktop window manager" ;) | [14:21] |
| mike-burns | Da Window Managa | [14:22] |
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| RandalSchwartz | I'm looking for icecast running at arp to which I can connect my DJ software running on my laptop
that way the stream will have a public address. | [14:51] |
| brycec | RandalSchwartz: http://www.caster.fm/ offers a free plan
(literally just the first google result for me; no affiliation or experience) | [14:52] |
| RandalSchwartz | "no direct stream URL"
so that won't work | [14:53] |
| brycec | Ah only their Pro plan offers that | [14:53] |
| mercutio | i'd suggest just trying to do it and see how it goes
easy enough to test | [15:03] |
| brycec | Just remember passwords and other such access control ;) | [15:15] |
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| mercutio | bryce: there used to be tv and radio analogue receivers that you could just send a signal to and they'd bounce it out further
with no security :) as much as security is nice the idea of free speech is kind of nice too :) | [16:22] |
| brycec | mercutio: free speech is swell until it's consuming your entire bandwidth quota
(I'm mainly concerned about nefarious people streaming their own crap) | [16:30] |
| mercutio | yeh the internet is probably more dangerous :) | [16:35] |
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| kellytk | I'm attempting to connect to the VM Management Server for my VPS but I'm having trouble with the keypair I use. Is ed25519 supported? | [16:57] |
| mercutio | it may not be | [17:02] |
| kellytk | It wasn't covered in the KB article | [17:08] |
| mercutio | well ed25519 is quite new | [17:18] |
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| brycec | I can confirm that neither ecdsa nor ed25519 work
Which is NO surprise at all given: OpenBSD 4.5 (GENERIC) #2052: Sat Feb 28 14:55:24 MST 2009 Come on up_the_irons, that's like 8 years old Oh only 7 At least rsa still works... | [17:48] |
| kellytk | :-( | [18:00] |
| mercutio | nearly 7 | [18:01] |
| brycec | All the same, there are children on the Internet younger than that box | [18:01] |
| mercutio | there are two years on the internet
err two year olds | [18:01] |
| brycec | mercutio: 7 -4 days | [18:02] |
| kellytk | That won't turn out well | [18:02] |
| brycec | @date Feb 28 14:55:24 MST 2009 | [18:02] |
| BryceBot | 6 years, 51 weeks, 5 days, 4 hours, 3 minutes, 12 seconds ago. [Interpreted date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 13:55:24 -0800] | [18:02] |
| mercutio | heh | [18:02] |
| brycec | Not even 4 days, just ~2 days shy of 7 years :P | [18:02] |
| mercutio | heh
ecdsa would be nice i haven't actually used ed25519 | [18:03] |
| brycec | I realize up_the_irons doesn't like rocking the boat, but it's just a "serial server"... how much can break from an upgrade? | [18:05] |
| mercutio | serial can break | [18:06] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [18:06] |
| mercutio | :) | [18:06] |
| brycec | I'd use ed25519 if more key managers/agents supported it. (gnome-keyring, PuTTY, etc)
mercutio: I thought that box just "telnetted" to the various hosts, no actual serial involved? | [18:06] |
| mercutio | it's still a serial console :/
however it works like ipmi serial involves no serial either | [18:07] |
| brycec | Except that it's vulnerable, I assume. | [18:07] |
| mercutio | i just bought a null modem cable
how new age :) | [18:07] |
| brycec | brycec has oodles of null modem cables, and even a couple straight serial cables | [18:08] |
| mercutio | i had some stuff like that in my garage
but my garage was dangerous there were two garages, one caved in the other was just unsafe (from earthquake) | [18:08] |
| brycec | You make NZ sound awful, like California :p | [18:12] |
| mercutio | heh
it's similar to california in that it gets shallow earthquakes with high momentum but low magnitude | [18:12] |
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| kellytk | What RSA key size would provide comparable security to ed25519? | [18:52] |
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| up_the_irons | "there are children on the Internet younger than that box" LOL brycec | [19:41] |
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| up_the_irons | brycec: from my understanding, we'd have to go through every single OpenBSD version from 4.5 to now, in order to upgrade. The effort / reward just isn't there. Not many people are asking for new key support.
but it's definitely a nice-to-have | [19:43] |
| brycec | Well you're *supposed* to go through every release for upgrades. If you're feeling lucky, you can definitely make the leap, but expect some changes from 5.5 to temporarily break logins.
(Or just do a new install because, in theory, all your personal stuff can be boiled into $HOME, pkg_add $(pkg_info), and siteXX.tgz :P) | [19:49] |
| up_the_irons | yeah i think it would be far better to start from scratch | [19:51] |
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| mkb | wasn't time_t around that time?
certainly between 4.5 and now oh "some changes from 5.5" | [20:39] |
| brycec | time_t was 5.5 as I recall
which is what I was alluding to with "expect some changes from 5.5 to temporarily break logins." (Having upgraded a system straight from 4.9 to 5.8) | [20:40] |
| mercutio | bryce likes living on the edge
but yeah that and one other update were annoying iirc i accidentally upgraded from 32bit to 64bit once | [20:45] |
| brycec | mercutio: I was curious what would happen :p (it was a clone of a production system, so no harm) | [20:46] |
| mercutio | and then i figured i'll just go with it :) | [20:46] |
| brycec | I've unpacked macppc on a sparc64 system. Suffice to say, it didn't come back from reboot.
(The dangers of doing headless upgrades) | [20:46] |
| mercutio | haha shit | [20:46] |
| brycec | (and not paying attention) | [20:46] |
| mercutio | i actually haven't had many issues with headless upgrades
there's a kind of apprehension about it though | [20:47] |
| brycec | Me either, happy to say. Except for PEBKAC above. | [20:47] |
| mercutio | i used to boot openbsd from floppy
and do network installs which was good on older gear like my home router pc like 15 years ago | [20:48] |
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| up_the_irons | Anyone work with commercial grade WiFi products? Like, you provide wireless mesh networking to a city or simply small neighborhood | [22:19] |
| mkb | yes I often exchange packets with such devices :) | [22:26] |
| up_the_irons | noooo ;) | [22:27] |
| mercutio | up_the_irons: are you going to provide city wifi? :) | [22:33] |
| up_the_irons | mercutio: perhaps and office building or two, if the numbers work. We've been approached about this several times. | [22:34] |
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| mercutio | Are there antennas everywhere there ? | [23:01] |
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| up_the_irons | mercutio: i haven't visited the site yet (going next week), but I don't believe there are antennas | [23:18] |
| brycec | Relevant: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/11/how-a-group-of-neighbors-created-their-own-internet-service/ | [23:23] |
| BryceBot | Ars Technica: "How a group of neighbors created their own Internet service" | [23:23] |
| brycec | (May have some useful details, useful contacts, etc) | [23:24] |
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| mercutio | that to my mind seemed overdesigned
come on, using a drone to find good wireless vantage points :) | [23:54] |
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