#arpnetworks 2016-02-07,Sun

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mnathani_I managed to get my cisco receive ipv6 routes from my bird
next step figure out how to use vrf so the routes dont end up in the routing table
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mercutioit's mostly the muggyness [00:15]
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kellytkFor anyone up to a challenge, find a VPS provider with a Seattle POP that my pathetic ISP doesn't route through CA [02:40]
mercutioamazon [02:51]
mnathani_CA as in california or Canada [02:51]
kellytkCalifornia [02:51]
mercutioahh i didn't even think of that mnathani :)
i assumed he meant california
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mnathani_whats your location / ISP? [02:52]
kellytkA lot of traffic goes through Vancouver it was a fair question [02:52]
mercutioyeah he had a good point that i'd missed [02:53]
mnathani_:-) [02:53]
kellytkI should have been more specific. Re: location Seattle and it's going through sttl.wa.frontiernet.net [02:54]
mercutioyour isp is frontiernet? [02:54]
kellytkFor 8/9 providers it went as far south as snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net before returning from its long and circuitious journey [02:55]
mercutiobut what's your isp
that's what matters :/
for what upstreams they have
for all we know your isp sends all of it's traffic to seattle normally
mm, steam have servers in seattle
is that direct?
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kellytkI haven't tried AWS [02:57]
mercutiotry tracing sea.valve.net
it just might help you check how your isp is routing
but going down to california isn't extreme
it's 15 msec from san jose to seattle?
it's not like it's going to new york or something :/
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kellytkI wouldn't be looking for alternatives but I'm getting ~300ms pings to every VPS host [02:58]
mercutioand even with the accumulative nature of latency 15msec isn't likely to make much difference when you're that close.
that sounds like congestion
what ping do you get to arp?
my friend was getting better pings to los angeles than san jose when living in santa clara..
because of congestoin
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kellytkBTW pings to sea.valve.net come back at ~30ms [03:00]
mercutiocongestion even
that seems high
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kellytkTrace dies at ae11.mpr2.sea1.us.zip.zayo.com [03:00]
mercutioweird i can trace all the way through [03:00]
kellytk~58ms pings to my Arp host
Literally 1/5 of pings to VPS providers in my own city
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mercutiois your arp route going over level3?
well 5 to 25 msec doesn't make difference to ssh ime
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kellytkge-100-0-0-13.r00.lsanca07.us.ce.gin.ntt.net jumps to vl5.s1.lax.arpnetworks.com [03:01]
mercutiounless you're on a threshold, like 140 to 160 can make a difference [03:02]
kellytkAgain, if this was < 150 I wouldn't give it a second thought, but it's slower than 1994
28,8 bro, mad binaries
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mercutiodo what i did, get a low latency monitor :) [03:02]
kellytkThis is insulting
By monitor don't tell me you mean display? :-D
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mercutioyes [03:02]
kellytkHaha alright no more pints for mercutio! [03:03]
mercutioif you use two monitors cloning each other you can show the time and compare latency
4.2.2.1 probably has a local node too
you may be able to change isp's and reduce latency by 20 msec or sch
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mnathani_what was your isp again? [03:05]
mercutiohe said zayo i think?
oh didn't he also say frontier?
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kellytkYes [03:08]
mercutiothere's some frontier based in IN [03:08]
kellytkAWS datacenter network test IPs are tough to find that's lame [03:08]
mercutioi'm not sure what state that is [03:08]
kellytkWA/Seattle [03:08]
mercutiothey're easy to find i think
what's your IP/
seattle is normal amazon west
i've got no idea why
most people host in east though anyway
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kellytkIf you can beat me to a URL with the answer I'll be impressed [03:09]
mnathani_http://www.google.com [03:10]
kellytkI'm saying the information is tough to find [03:10]
mnathani_most answers can be found on that url [03:10]
mercutiodynamodb.us-west-2.amazonaws.com
connecting in seattle with telia for me
so that should be ~30 too
and if so then 58 to arp seems normal
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kellytkI'm saying it can't be found [03:13]
mercutioi can mtr it fine
it doesn't show the last hop, but amazon stuff never does
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mnathani_77 ping for me from Toronto
goes straight from my isp to amazon
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mercutioyeh everyone seems to optimise their transit to amazon
makes it good for testing, wouldn't recommend it for hosting though :)
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mnathani_s/77/77msec [03:15]
BryceBot<mnathani_> 77msec ping for me from Toronto [03:15]
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mercutiooh i assumed you were in the west mnathani
dunno why :)
so you'd see 58 ping as good to arp?
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kellytkI FOUND IT https://docs.aws.amazon.com/general/latest/gr/rande.html#ec2_region [03:19]
mercutioand you probably have lots of traffic routing via new york [03:19]
kellytkNo [03:19]
mercutioi gave you an address kelly [03:20]
kellytkThat wasn't what I sought, but rather documentation [03:20]
mercutiowhat was your ping? [03:21]
kellytkec2.us-west-2.amazonaws.com nor us-west-2.amazonaws.com respond to ping, so I'm still without an answer [03:23]
mercutiomtr it [03:23]
kellytkWhat's that? [03:23]
mercutioapt-get install mtr
or use pingplotter free if you're using windows
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kellytkI can't justify installing something to evaluate a VPS host I'll find an alternative
I like to find really great small providers anyway
Thanks though
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mercutioi thought you were trying to figure out your isp's routing
seattle has a peering exchange
and your isp is even on it
https://beta.peeringdb.com/ix/13
if you really wnat to find low ping that may help
but with a ping of 58 you shouldn't need to worry
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kellytkThanks for the pointer to peeringdb [03:55]
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nathani@weather yyz [17:27]
BryceBotToronto-Pearson International, Ontario: Mostly Cloudy ☁ 39°F (4°C), Humidity: 75%, Wind: From the ESE at 8 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=43.67722321,-79.63055420 or re-request this with: @weather -v yyz [17:27]
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