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mnathani_: next step figure out how to use vrf so the routes dont end up in the routing table
mercutio: it's mostly the muggyness
kellytk: For anyone up to a challenge, find a VPS provider with a Seattle POP that my pathetic ISP doesn't route through CA
mercutio: amazon
mnathani_: CA as in california or Canada
kellytk: California
mercutio: ahh i didn't even think of that mnathani :)
<br> i assumed he meant california
mnathani_: whats your location / ISP?
kellytk: A lot of traffic goes through Vancouver it was a fair question
mercutio: yeah he had a good point that i'd missed
mnathani_: :-)
kellytk: I should have been more specific. Re: location Seattle and it's going through sttl.wa.frontiernet.net
mercutio: your isp is frontiernet?
kellytk: For 8/9 providers it went as far south as snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net before returning from its long and circuitious journey
mercutio: but what's your isp
<br> that's what matters :/
<br> for what upstreams they have
<br> for all we know your isp sends all of it's traffic to seattle normally
<br> mm, steam have servers in seattle
<br> is that direct?
kellytk: I haven't tried AWS
mercutio: try tracing sea.valve.net
<br> it just might help you check how your isp is routing
<br> but going down to california isn't extreme
<br> it's 15 msec from san jose to seattle?
<br> it's not like it's going to new york or something :/
kellytk: I wouldn't be looking for alternatives but I'm getting ~300ms pings to every VPS host
mercutio: and even with the accumulative nature of latency 15msec isn't likely to make much difference when you're that close.
<br> that sounds like congestion
<br> what ping do you get to arp?
<br> my friend was getting better pings to los angeles than san jose when living in santa clara..
<br> because of congestoin
kellytk: BTW pings to sea.valve.net come back at ~30ms
mercutio: congestion even
<br> that seems high
kellytk: Trace dies at ae11.mpr2.sea1.us.zip.zayo.com
mercutio: weird i can trace all the way through
kellytk: ~58ms pings to my Arp host
<br> Literally 1/5 of pings to VPS providers in my own city
mercutio: is your arp route going over level3?
<br> well 5 to 25 msec doesn't make difference to ssh ime
kellytk: ge-100-0-0-13.r00.lsanca07.us.ce.gin.ntt.net jumps to vl5.s1.lax.arpnetworks.com
mercutio: unless you're on a threshold, like 140 to 160 can make a difference
kellytk: Again, if this was < 150 I wouldn't give it a second thought, but it's slower than 1994
<br> 28,8 bro, mad binaries
mercutio: do what i did, get a low latency monitor :)
kellytk: This is insulting
<br> By monitor don't tell me you mean display? :-D
mercutio: yes
kellytk: Haha alright no more pints for mercutio!
mercutio: if you use two monitors cloning each other you can show the time and compare latency
<br> 4.2.2.1 probably has a local node too
<br> you may be able to change isp's and reduce latency by 20 msec or sch
mnathani_: what was your isp again?
mercutio: he said zayo i think?
<br> oh didn't he also say frontier?
kellytk: Yes
mercutio: there's some frontier based in IN
kellytk: AWS datacenter network test IPs are tough to find that's lame
mercutio: i'm not sure what state that is
kellytk: WA/Seattle
mercutio: they're easy to find i think
<br> what's your IP/
<br> seattle is normal amazon west
<br> i've got no idea why
<br> most people host in east though anyway
kellytk: If you can beat me to a URL with the answer I'll be impressed
mnathani_: http://www.google.com
kellytk: I'm saying the information is tough to find
mnathani_: most answers can be found on that url
mercutio: dynamodb.us-west-2.amazonaws.com
<br> connecting in seattle with telia for me
<br> so that should be ~30 too
<br> and if so then 58 to arp seems normal
kellytk: I'm saying it can't be found
mercutio: i can mtr it fine
<br> it doesn't show the last hop, but amazon stuff never does
mnathani_: 77 ping for me from Toronto
<br> goes straight from my isp to amazon
mercutio: yeh everyone seems to optimise their transit to amazon
<br> makes it good for testing, wouldn't recommend it for hosting though :)
mnathani_: s/77/77msec
BryceBot: <mnathani_> 77msec ping for me from Toronto
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mercutio: oh i assumed you were in the west mnathani
<br> dunno why :)
<br> so you'd see 58 ping as good to arp?
kellytk: I FOUND IT https://docs.aws.amazon.com/general/latest/gr/rande.html#ec2_region
mercutio: and you probably have lots of traffic routing via new york
kellytk: No
mercutio: i gave you an address kelly
kellytk: That wasn't what I sought, but rather documentation
mercutio: what was your ping?
kellytk: ec2.us-west-2.amazonaws.com nor us-west-2.amazonaws.com respond to ping, so I'm still without an answer
mercutio: mtr it
kellytk: What's that?
mercutio: apt-get install mtr
<br> or use pingplotter free if you're using windows
kellytk: I can't justify installing something to evaluate a VPS host I'll find an alternative
<br> I like to find really great small providers anyway
<br> Thanks though
mercutio: i thought you were trying to figure out your isp's routing
<br> seattle has a peering exchange
<br> and your isp is even on it
<br> https://beta.peeringdb.com/ix/13
<br> if you really wnat to find low ping that may help
<br> but with a ping of 58 you shouldn't need to worry
kellytk: Thanks for the pointer to peeringdb
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nathani: @weather yyz
BryceBot: Toronto-Pearson International, Ontario: Mostly Cloudy ☠39°F (4°C), Humidity: 75%, Wind: From the ESE at 8 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=43.67722321,-79.63055420 or re-request this with: @weather -v yyz
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