[00:01] <mnathani_> I managed to get my cisco receive ipv6 routes from my bird
[00:01] <mnathani_> next step figure out how to use vrf so the routes dont end up in the routing table
[00:15] <mercutio> it's mostly the muggyness
[02:40] <kellytk> For anyone up to a challenge, find a VPS provider with a Seattle POP that my pathetic ISP doesn't route through CA
[02:51] <mercutio> amazon
[02:51] <mnathani_> CA as in california or Canada
[02:51] <kellytk> California
[02:51] <mercutio> ahh i didn't even think of that mnathani :)
[02:51] <mercutio> i assumed he meant california
[02:52] <mnathani_> whats your location / ISP?
[02:52] <kellytk> A lot of traffic goes through Vancouver it was a fair question
[02:53] <mercutio> yeah he had a good point that i'd missed
[02:53] <mnathani_> :-)
[02:54] <kellytk> I should have been more specific.  Re: location Seattle and it's going through sttl.wa.frontiernet.net
[02:54] <mercutio> your isp is frontiernet?
[02:55] <kellytk> For 8/9 providers it went as far south as snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net before returning from its long and circuitious journey
[02:56] <mercutio> but what's your isp
[02:56] <mercutio> that's what matters :/
[02:56] <mercutio> for what upstreams they have
[02:56] <mercutio> for all we know your isp sends all of it's traffic to seattle normally
[02:57] <mercutio> mm, steam have servers in seattle
[02:57] <mercutio> is that direct?
[02:57] <kellytk> I haven't tried AWS
[02:57] <mercutio> try tracing sea.valve.net
[02:57] <mercutio> it just might help you check how your isp is routing
[02:57] <mercutio> but going down to california isn't extreme
[02:58] <mercutio> it's 15 msec from san jose to seattle?
[02:58] <mercutio> it's not like it's going to new york or something :/
[02:58] <kellytk> I wouldn't be looking for alternatives but I'm getting ~300ms pings to every VPS host
[02:59] <mercutio> and even with the accumulative nature of latency 15msec isn't likely to make much difference when you're that close.
[02:59] <mercutio> that sounds like congestion
[02:59] <mercutio> what ping do you get to arp?
[02:59] <mercutio> my friend was getting better pings to los angeles than san jose when living in santa clara..
[03:00] <mercutio> because of congestoin
[03:00] <kellytk> BTW pings to sea.valve.net come back at ~30ms
[03:00] <mercutio> congestion even
[03:00] <mercutio> that seems high
[03:00] <kellytk> Trace dies at ae11.mpr2.sea1.us.zip.zayo.com
[03:00] <mercutio> weird i can trace all the way through
[03:01] <kellytk> ~58ms pings to my Arp host
[03:01] <kellytk> Literally 1/5 of pings to VPS providers in my own city
[03:01] <mercutio> is your arp route going over level3?
[03:01] <mercutio> well 5 to 25 msec doesn't make difference to ssh ime
[03:01] <kellytk> ge-100-0-0-13.r00.lsanca07.us.ce.gin.ntt.net jumps to vl5.s1.lax.arpnetworks.com
[03:02] <mercutio> unless you're on a threshold, like 140 to 160 can make  a difference
[03:02] <kellytk> Again, if this was < 150 I wouldn't give it a second thought, but it's slower than 1994
[03:02] <kellytk> 28,8 bro, mad binaries
[03:02] <mercutio> do what i did, get a low latency monitor :)
[03:02] <kellytk> This is insulting
[03:02] <kellytk> By monitor don't tell me you mean display? :-D
[03:02] <mercutio> yes
[03:03] <kellytk> Haha alright no more pints for mercutio!
[03:03] <mercutio> if you use two monitors cloning each other you can show the time and compare latency
[03:04] <mercutio> 4.2.2.1 probably has a local node too
[03:05] <mercutio> you may be able to change isp's and reduce latency by 20 msec or sch
[03:05] <mnathani_> what was your isp again?
[03:06] <mercutio> he said zayo i think?
[03:07] <mercutio> oh didn't he also say frontier?
[03:08] <kellytk> Yes
[03:08] <mercutio> there's some frontier based in IN
[03:08] <kellytk> AWS datacenter network test IPs are tough to find that's lame
[03:08] <mercutio> i'm not sure what state that is
[03:08] <kellytk> WA/Seattle
[03:08] <mercutio> they're easy to find i think
[03:08] <mercutio> what's your IP/
[03:09] <mercutio> seattle is normal amazon west
[03:09] <mercutio> i've got no idea why
[03:09] <mercutio> most people host in east though anyway
[03:09] <kellytk> If you can beat me to a URL with the answer I'll be impressed
[03:10] <mnathani_> http://www.google.com
[03:10] <kellytk> I'm saying the information is tough to find
[03:10] <mnathani_> most answers can be found on that url
[03:10] <mercutio> dynamodb.us-west-2.amazonaws.com
[03:11] <mercutio> connecting in seattle with telia for me
[03:13] <mercutio> so that should be ~30 too
[03:13] <mercutio> and if so then 58 to arp seems normal
[03:13] <kellytk> I'm saying it can't be found
[03:13] <mercutio> i can mtr it fine
[03:13] <mercutio> it doesn't show the last hop, but amazon stuff never does
[03:13] <mnathani_> 77 ping for me from Toronto
[03:14] <mnathani_> goes straight from my isp to amazon
[03:14] <mercutio> yeh everyone seems to optimise their transit to amazon
[03:14] <mercutio> makes it good for testing, wouldn't recommend it for hosting though :)
[03:15] <mnathani_> s/77/77msec
[03:15] <BryceBot> <mnathani_> 77msec ping for me from Toronto
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[03:18] <mercutio> oh i assumed you were in the west mnathani
[03:18] <mercutio> dunno why :)
[03:19] <mercutio> so you'd see 58 ping as good to arp?
[03:19] <kellytk> I FOUND IT https://docs.aws.amazon.com/general/latest/gr/rande.html#ec2_region
[03:19] <mercutio> and you probably have lots of traffic routing via new york
[03:19] <kellytk> No
[03:20] <mercutio> i gave you an address kelly
[03:20] <kellytk> That wasn't what I sought, but rather documentation
[03:21] <mercutio> what was your ping?
[03:23] <kellytk> ec2.us-west-2.amazonaws.com nor us-west-2.amazonaws.com respond to ping, so I'm still without an answer
[03:23] <mercutio> mtr it
[03:23] <kellytk> What's that?
[03:23] <mercutio> apt-get install mtr
[03:23] <mercutio> or use pingplotter free if you're using windows
[03:24] <kellytk> I can't justify installing something to evaluate a VPS host I'll find an alternative
[03:24] <kellytk> I like to find really great small providers anyway
[03:24] <kellytk> Thanks though
[03:24] <mercutio> i thought you were trying to figure out your isp's routing
[03:25] <mercutio> seattle has a peering exchange
[03:25] <mercutio> and your isp is even on it
[03:26] <mercutio> https://beta.peeringdb.com/ix/13
[03:26] <mercutio> if you really wnat to find low ping that may help
[03:27] <mercutio> but with a ping of 58 you shouldn't need to worry
[03:55] <kellytk> Thanks for the pointer to peeringdb
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[17:27] <nathani> @weather yyz
[17:27] <BryceBot> Toronto-Pearson International, Ontario: Mostly Cloudy ☁ 39°F (4°C), Humidity: 75%, Wind: From the ESE at 8 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=43.67722321,-79.63055420 or re-request this with: @weather -v yyz
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