jack_rip_vim: anyone here?
   forgotten: sort of
   jack_rip_vim: I need a vps server. but I don't know where I can get a good one.
   ant: jack_rip_vim: here: http://www.arpnetworks.com/vps
   jack_rip_vim: I can't open the page
   ant: what's the error message? it works for me just fine
   jack_rip_vim: I want to put a social network website. So the server must be best one.
   
 NO error, just can't be open
   ant: hm..well..according to your ip address you are in china. maybe the great firewall is blocking it because it's using encryption
   jack_rip_vim: OK, Fine! how can i use your server.
   
 ?
   ant: i have no idea.
   jack_rip_vim: aws is too expensive
   
 fuck firewall
   ant: also i guess if you intend to target chinese users with you social network you better host it inside china
   jack_rip_vim: no,I want whole the world can enjoy my website.
   
 I make a video chat website. and it is free. I want all the people can enjoy it.
   
 I don't know if I can use ssh to connect to your server. can I have a try?
   ant: you can try to connect to 206.125.175.202 (that's my personal server at arp networks)
   jack_rip_vim: let me have a try.
   
 it is ok.
   
 the terminal ask me the password.
   ant: still the great firewall might terminate the connection after some time..
   jack_rip_vim: so maybe one day, the firewall will block the ip?
   ant: i think that's possible
   jack_rip_vim: where is your vps-server  location?
   ant: los angeles
   
 btw: i'm just an arp networks customer, i don't run the service
   jack_rip_vim: I can run it myself.
   ant: no, i mean i don't work for arp networks
   
 (of course you can run your own vps)
   jack_rip_vim: OK!
   
 How you feel about the server? I want to know more about it?
   
 the page can be opened now. but show error 404.
   ant: well, it's reliable. that's pretty much all i want from a vps service
   
 that's strange...maybe the 404 comes from the great firewall
   jack_rip_vim: I think maybe is DNS problem.
   ant: for your reference:
   
 www.arpnetworks.com has address 208.79.89.246
   
 www.arpnetworks.com has IPv6 address 2607:f2f8:0:102::501
   jack_rip_vim: I ping the ip address. it is OK.
   
 I can connect to it.
   
 I think maybe I can order one to have a test. if one day the ip was blocked, then I make other plans.
   
 now the big problems is, how can i make a order?
   
 i think i need a vpn to solve this problem.
   JC_Denton: jack_rip_vim: you are likely being blocked by the Great Firewall
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   mercutio: "great?"
   
 it's curious they'd block it, but arp does have https-only forced on
   JC_Denton: it's the aphorism for it
   
 great wall / great "fire"wall
   mercutio: oh right
   
 i'm actually surprised the site would be blocked
   ant: maybe they just block everything that uses encryption
   mercutio: that's get neraly everything now
   
 even thigns like wikipedia use encryption i think now?
   mike-burns: openbsd.org doesn't! That might be it.
   mercutio: yeah wikipedia seems to force encryption
   
 so this use https all the time thing got encouraed
   ant: there are lots of chinese clones of popular non-chinese websites in china, so i would guess that wikipedia might not be that important
   
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Wikipedia#China
   BryceBot: Censorship of Wikipedia :: Censorship of Wikipedia has occurred in several countries, including China, France, Iran, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Thailand, Tunisia, the United Kingdom and Uzbekistan. Some instances are examples of widespread internet censorship in general that includes Wikipedia content. Others are indicative of measures to prevent the viewing of specific content deemed offensive.      By country      China    Chinese..
   mercutio: ahh
   
 so it could be the https thing
   ant: however china has their own certificate authority so they could just intercept https traffic by active mitm
   
 hm..but that would get that ca removed from every browser...
   mercutio: it's ipv6 20th birthday
   mike-burns: Maybe someday IPv6 will make something of itself!
   mercutio: well it's up to 10% adoption apparently
   gizmoguy: let me just check
   
 $ ping6 google.com
   
 64 bytes from syd09s01-in-x0e.1e100.net: icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=27.0 ms
   
 yes. v6 does still work in 2016
   mercutio: google don't have ipv6 nameservers yet i think
   gizmoguy: you appear to be right :(
   mercutio: they don't even have any nameservers close to new zealand yet.
   gizmoguy: I'm less concerned about that
   
 my local resolver is pretty close
   mercutio: true, you'll usually get a cached result
   
 i mostly find it curious that a company as big as google still isn't putting nameservers closer to users.
   
 even with using low ttl's
   mhoran: I tunneled all my traffic through my arp VPS when I was in China last month.
   
 The firewall is really crippling, but only for westerners.
   
 Everything has been reimplemented behind the firewall.
   
 But my employer uses Google Apps, which don't work in that country at all.
   mnathani_: mhoran: did you use openvpn, or ssh tunneling socks proxy?
   mhoran: Ssh socks tunneled through SSL via apache.
   mnathani_: did DNS lookup get tunneled via the  ARP vps also?
   mhoran: Yup
   
 Firefox can do that for you
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   mercutio: socks can pass through hostname and port through the proxy
   
 so that the whole thing is done on the other end
   
 so it's also more efficient if you have a high latency link etc
   mhoran: Ah.
   
 Well I guess the Firefox proxy doesn't do that, because to get it to work behind the firewall I had to enable DNS tunneling via SOCKS.
   
 Otherwise, nothing works.
   mercutio: oh
   
 maybe it can do both
   mhoran: Anyway, I wouldn't trust DNS in China at all.
   
 Better to just tunnel that.
   mrsaint: yeah china do run dns enforcing.. for the traffic.. soo their goverment dns-servers are the ones needed to be queried.
   mhoran: twitter.com, for example, resolved to a DoD IP address...
   mrsaint: I do openvpn over https when Im in china. works good.
   
 and I go now on sunday for 2 weeks to china :( Luckily Volvo do have mpls network to sweden so we are outside the rules for china.. :)
   mercutio: looks like you need socks5 rather than socks4 for names through it
   
 i was playing with this socks proxy that used udt once
   
 udt was this high bandwidth alternative protocol that gave faster speeds over the internet
   
 although it seemed to kind of die in the water, and normal tcp/ip has improved since then
   
 it was before tcp fast open and high initial window sizes etc were around
   
 but i suspect that systems like that with encrpytion overlayed could probably perform pretty well from china
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