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| mike-burns | That's more of a disappointing statement about home Internet. | [05:08] |
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| mhoran | Indeed. | [06:59] |
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| mkb | they claim 5G will be 1Gbps now
which was their target for 4G... | [08:44] |
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| mercutio | mkb: i dunno about there, but here they think they can do 1 gigabit over docsis. | [09:44] |
| mkb | mkb looks at his pitiful 3Mbit DSL link | [09:51] |
| mercutio | they're having congestion issues on 100 megabit with docsis atm. and cable isn't available in many places.
3 megabit wow. even 3g does more than 3 megabit here :) that said in rural areas sometimes there's not even 3g :) | [09:52] |
| mkb | I'm in a rural area | [09:53] |
| mercutio | ahh
do you have 3g? | [09:53] |
| mkb | you don't get data here, and if you want voice you better have a landline | [09:53] |
| mercutio | i see. | [09:53] |
| mkb | or a large hill | [09:53] |
| mercutio | well at least you aren't stuck on dialup i suppose | [09:54] |
| mkb | my neighbors get ``fiber-based'' u-verse | [09:55] |
| mercutio | wow | [09:55] |
| mkb | but the wires are copper and I never saw any digging equipment | [09:56] |
| mercutio | so is is fttn? | [09:56] |
| mkb | yeah | [09:56] |
| mercutio | is it | [09:56] |
| mkb | probably... and I probably have it too | [09:57] |
| mercutio | don't verizon bond vdsl? | [09:57] |
| mkb | but I'm refusing u-verse because of http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/users/2011-02/msg00074.html | [09:57] |
| mercutio | so basically the routers suck.
and you can't use your own | [10:01] |
| mkb | yeah
I've got a few friends with it | [10:01] |
| mercutio | is it still broken? | [10:02] |
| mkb | forget about typing in an ssh session | [10:02] |
| mercutio | that was years ago | [10:02] |
| mkb | all the ones I've seen have that same router
maybe they're installing better ones today | [10:03] |
| mercutio | oh u-verse is at&t?
i thought it was verizon, oops :) | [10:12] |
| mkb | oh yeah | [10:12] |
| mercutio | verizon is fios.
which is vdsl or fiber? | [10:13] |
| mkb | says fiber in the name... | [10:13] |
| mercutio | so pretty similar and still crap | [10:13] |
| mkb | got go go. bbl
s/go/to | [10:13] |
| BryceBot | <mkb> tot go go. bbl | [10:13] |
| mkb | ... | [10:14] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [10:14] |
| mercutio | haha
later :) | [10:14] |
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| kellytk | Can we please go back to the time when there were many competing ISPs
Choosing between Scamcast and Screwverse cannot be the future | [13:43] |
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| mercutio | kellytk: it's kind of the best way for things to be for customers.
competing that is | [14:06] |
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| brycec | A lot of that psuedo-competition was based on companies subletting the local telco copper for [vhi]DSL (or ISDN, which never really caught on). But that was always hamstrung by the telco's facilities and crew who didn't really want to compete, so they'd either drive prices up, drop their own prices, or just make it a nightmare for the ISP. Or there were dialup ISPs which couldn't keep up, obviously. | [16:35] |
| mkb | does anyone happen to have a linux box with clang installed that can run a small test for me? | [16:47] |
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| mercutio | i think subletting a government run line company makes the most sense myself.
there was a problem with government-run telecommunications companies being badly run pre internet mkb: i have linux/clang | [17:24] |
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| brycec | NB: The telco's in the US are not government-run
Nor have they ever been. The extent of the US government's involvement was to break-up a monopoly that had formed. (and instate some laws etc) | [18:14] |
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| mercutio | brycec: oh interesting. i kind of assumed they may have been split off much earlier.
i think most countries around in the world had government run telecommunications in the past,.. there are ideas circulating around about having city-run fiber? i think that's the right scope, i can't recall :) but to mind what new zealand is doing with having the government subsidise fibre and having externally run but to certain specifications should at least give some level of consistency. that said, as part of that the major lines and internet provider was split into two companies, and so now generally providers are using third party connections, and it works pretty well. like every dsl connection will just be a vlan of a vlan. curiously, the government opted for 100/50 and 30/10 connections, and providers have standardised on 200/20 for the most part. | [19:55] |
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| brycec | @google ma bell breakup | [20:17] |
| BryceBot | 35,900 total results returned for 'ma bell breakup', here's 3
Breakup of the Bell System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_the_Bell_System) The breakup of the Bell System was mandated on January 8, 1982, by an agreed consent decree providing that AT&T Corporation would, as had been initially ... BELL SYSTEM BREAKUP OPENS ERA OF GREAT ... (http://www.nytimes.com/1984/01/01/us/bell-system-breakup-opens-era-of-great-expectations-and-great-concern.html?pagewanted=all) Jan 1, 1984 ... No company so large and technologically integrated as the Bell System has ever ... And the nation will have to adjust to life without Ma Bell. Bell System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_System) The colloquial term Ma Bell (as in "Mother Bell") was often used by the general public in ... 3.1 Pre-1956 international holdings; 3.2 Pre-1984 breakup; 3.3 1984. | [20:17] |
| brycec | And for a time, it was good
But now it's just "whatever", and companies are slowly re-merging, primarily in the cellular arena but many cell companies are also wireline | [20:19] |
| mercutio | i'm actually surprised that internet has a reasonably good plan here.
like they're making 10 gigabit handovers affordable etc, some providers are even offering gigabit. it's just gpon, and i don't expect takeup to be that high in the near future but 200/20 as a common plan is probably enough speed for most people to not have sluggish content to popular peered traffic etc. there are of course issues. but when i was seeing how bad comcast was to cogent, ... and that lots of people comcast is the "best option" i think it's probably a bit better here for local traffic at least. | [20:24] |
| mkb | mercutio: I found out my problem with clang | [20:26] |
| brycec | Agreed. Even 100/10 is fairly reasonable. | [20:26] |
| mercutio | i have 87/37 vdsl sync now. i did slightly notice upload speed going up, but didn't really notice the download.
although it is nice to get fast package downloads etc. makes arch linux's fast package installs seem even faster :) | [20:27] |
| mkb | the os x linker is broken | [20:27] |
| mercutio | mkb: cool
i had code that didn't work with gcc by default accidentally once because i was using clang and it had some c99 or something code in it. | [20:27] |
| mkb | gcc accepts some weird variety of C by default
I caught it accepting struct { int a; int b } the other day (yes with no semicolon after b) | [20:28] |
| mercutio | weird maybe i fixed it or gcc changed
gcc -std=gnu99 -o cl cl.c is what it needed | [20:29] |
| mkb | yeah gnu99 is their strange C | [20:29] |
| mercutio | but now it's just working. oh maybe that was with older gcc. | [20:29] |
| mkb | of course it's also the only way to get their extensions, some of which are useful | [20:29] |
| mercutio | and it broke for someone else.
i've been playing with grub booting iso's from filesystem today. it's kind of cool, you can have a backup system booting from the hard-disk | [20:30] |
| mkb | like openbsd's bsd.rd | [20:31] |
| mercutio | yes.
i love bsd.rd i always use bsd.rd for upgrades, never the iso. it wasn't exactly obvious that you could do such from grub though :) | [20:31] |
| mkb | well nothing's obvious with grub | [20:32] |
| mercutio | heh yeah i've never liked it.
but what are you meant to use. syslinux? lilo? | [20:32] |
| mkb | yeah there's so much variety and very little outside the "default" is ever tested | [20:33] |
| mercutio | it's one of those things that it's like you don't really like it, but you don't care enough to want to do your own, ..
and then when people start doing their own they never seem to really go fully into it. | [20:33] |
| mkb | in other news, if you expect to see systemd's shutdown logs, don't set console to be a serial port | [20:34] |
| mercutio | hmm
i'm setting console to serial port i'll have to boot my arch iso to check :) | [20:34] |
| mkb | when mine shuts down is says PolicyD and then cuts or something like that | [20:34] |
| mercutio | do you use console=ttyS1,115200 console=tty0 or such ? | [20:35] |
| mkb | no it's called policykit
it cuts on a d anyway... | [20:35] |
| brycec | brycec efi boots the kernel directly, no grub :P | [20:35] |
| mercutio | efistub
? | [20:35] |
| brycec | nah, some efi booter. can't remember the name | [20:35] |
| mkb | console=ttyS0,9600 kgdboc=ttyS0,9600
only reason I'm doing a serial port is to debug the thing | [20:35] |
| mercutio | [ OK ] Reached target Shutdown.
The system is powered off. | [20:36] |
| brycec | (Oh duh, refind)
(Or rEFInd if you care) | [20:36] |
| mkb | and you get problems with anything faster than 9600...
on a mac? | [20:36] |
| mercutio | i'm testing with SMT on PC
SMT is like this thing they stick in desktop pc's that gives you serial console over network :) | [20:37] |
| brycec | (I'm booting on an Intel system)
mercutio: you mean AMT? | [20:37] |
| mercutio | brycec: it's like AMT but cut down | [20:37] |
| brycec | Or is SMT like AMT? | [20:37] |
| mercutio | with no video console. | [20:37] |
| brycec | ah | [20:37] |
| mercutio | but yeah AMT gives you everything SMT gives you
but you pay more for systems with it :) you use this program called amtterm to access it so it's pretty seemless. but it doesn't show bios. it can show grub in legacy mode. but grub's got some bug in uefi mode where it can't deal with the serial. grub also has some issue with xfs. grub likes to have issues :) | [20:37] |
| brycec | (I'm familiar with AMT and amtterm ;p) | [20:39] |
| mkb | and backspace | [20:39] |
| mercutio | oh cool brycec
do you like it? | [20:39] |
| brycec | Like rEFInd? Or AMT? rEFInd was much easier to setup :p | [20:39] |
| mercutio | like AMT
i'm new to it :) but i have a few HP desktops with it | [20:39] |
| brycec | AMT it was alright. Not as much as I like IPMI, but like IPMI "it got the job done" | [20:40] |
| mercutio | problem with ipmi is that anything that has ipmi is noisy :) | [20:40] |
| brycec | lol | [20:41] |
| mercutio | actually maybe some of the newer stuff isn't so bad. anything that's cheap and has ipmi is noisy. | [20:41] |
| brycec: out of curiosity how did you find out about AMT? hardly anyone seems to talk about it in my circles.
that said i don't manage windows desktops or the like. s/hardly anyone/no-one/ | [20:53] | |
| BryceBot | <mercutio> brycec: out of curiosity how did you find out about AMT? no-one seems to talk about it in my circles. | [20:54] |
| brycec | It was a feature of the motherboards we used in our systems, so I wanted to try it out and make it work.
(at a past job) | [20:58] |
| mercutio | ahh
i think that's about how i found out about it :) | [21:02] |
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| kellytk | brycec: Hass it been good admin practice sysop'ing for devio.us?
Has* | [21:40] |
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| brycec | In the way that any experience is good practice. | [22:00] |
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| mercutio | i used to think that frustration tolerance was a good skill for sysops to have.
it probably still is. but doing things like programming helps to be able to deal with complicated problems easier. | [22:16] |
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| mnathani | any ttrss users know how to export list of feeds? my Google foo is faling me tonight | [23:04] |
| I tried the opml option, but it doesnt seem to work | [23:11] | |
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| mnathani_ | managed to pull a list of the feeds from the database | [23:32] |
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