up_the_irons: mnathani_: no, i don't think i'll go with telehouse
normally i'd take that kind of class of data center, but since everything is going to be fully remote (e.g. I don't live in Germany), i need a DC with more on-site staff that can do work at a reasonable price. First-Colo (first-colo.net) looks to fit (toured them the same day as Telehouse); they can provide a somewhat more "semi-managed" solution
like, if you buy servers from them (they have a store, bunch of supermicro stuff, same models as we use), they include rack / stack / cabling into your cabinet for free and if anything needs to be RMA'd, they handle that too
and I can still get access to DE-CIX from there
Telehouse also didn't have enclosed cold-isle containment, while First-Colo did, as well as Interxion (the biggest DC in Germany, and maybe all of EU)
Demand at Interxion is too high at the moment; lead time for a cabinet is like 6 weeks
Both Telehouse and Interxion also have very elegant entrances, conference rooms, hallways, etc... etc... all things I figure at the end of the day I would be helping to pay for and not really needing ;) mnathani_: up_the_irons: what about IP space, will you be using your existing allocation or will you have to get more space? up_the_irons: mnathani_: existing pyvpx: up_the_irons: glad to hear it's gone well. sorry I can't meet up in frankfurt ***: [api] has joined #arpnetworks brycec: Thanks up_the_irons, appreciate the update/info on DC selection. :) mrsaint: up_the_irons: I can get ya that in STockholm.
localhands. mike-burns: I had no idea there was another Stockholmer in here. mrsaint: hehe :)
Im in gothenburg.. but I got all my hosting mainly in stockholm.. amsterdam london frankfurt and chicago
:)
Soo im already 100% remote mike-burns: Heh, makes sense. mrsaint: so im dependant on working setup with localhands for onduty if something breaks that I cant fix remote.. most stuff you can fix.. except hw replacement :) mike-burns: Where do you host in Sthlm? mrsaint: Interxion and Glesys datacenter.. very good one and they are building more rooms all the time. top class and good pricing..
easy to get fibers installed to providers and things..and I also have 2x10g ring connected into that dc.. diffrent fiber providers(routes) hehe mike-burns: Right on. I've worked with Glesys in the past for a client; they were definitely not the problem. mrsaint: im pal with the owners :)
But I would like to give an offer for arp for sure.
if interested.
and I got racks that I have booked that is empty :)
hehe
and glesys dc do have 3 ix-switches connected there. one of them is the legendary netnod :) brycec: lol mike-burns "they were definitely not the problem." mrsaint: mike-burns: I go to asia for 6 months starting 28th this month soo Im really dependent on good services.. :) brycec: (It's a sad state of affairs when that's a significant statement) mike-burns: brycec: hah, yes.
mrsaint: get out while it's still somewhat light out. It's been raining for four days here in Sthlm. mrsaint: mike-burns: yeah :) mhoran: Hey here too! mrsaint: I go thailand :) mhoran: The sun just came out. mike-burns: Heh, everyone in Sweden goes to Thailand.
mhoran: then I'm not moving to NYC! mrsaint: ofcoz.. :) But I go with my thai wife and my dauther.
mike-burns: im originally from stockholm. But moved here due to consulting contract 5 years ago and never ended it here yet soo :) They keep giving me yearly contracts hehe
and now they let me go work remote off in thai :) mike-burns: Nice deal. mrsaint: yes :)
but I could live off my hosting but its boring.. as its just working so well never have issues and no need to work tomuch.. soo I rather do some nice consulting and make more money :)
feature of having customers knowing what they do and what they want hehe.. makes life much easier.
up_the_irons: msg me when awake. read pm aswell :) -: dne is also stockholmer, actually at walking distance from that glesys dc (haven't used it though) dne: I've never been to thailand though :) mrsaint: dne: ok.. you should join #Isp on ircnet.. :) One of my channels I created back in 94. Most of the .se operators hang there.
Damn thats long time ago :) dne: hehe mnathani: up_the_irons: will certain prefixes be announced only in Germany? Also will you have a semi-dedicated link between Germany and Los Angeles -: mercutio doesn't know for sure, but think it's likely that one subnet, or part thereof will be advertised in germany. mercutio: and that a dedicated link between the two is unlikely, but you never know
and so the same IP addresses aren't likely to be advertised in both locatinos
unless there's an anycast /24 :) plett: mnathani: I would assume it would be completely different IPs in each location, possible different ASNs as well if you're doing it by the book brycec: I guess then customers' vlans wouldn't exist/persist between locations (for those $few customers with hosts in both locations) mercutio: if it was san jose / los angeles i could see more chance of bridging betwen locations. brycec: I wonder if an OpenVPN tap bridge could carry vlan tags mercutio: oh i'm sure there are ways to do such things. brycec: As am I. I'm just curious if that particular method is such a way :P mercutio: yeah i'm just googling heh brycec: I realize that for ARP it's a question of whether it's worth the effort. mercutio: it's not just that
it's what do you do about volume accounting, what do you do when it doesn't work in a timely fashion etc brycec: @tableflip0
@tableflip BryceBot: (╯‵Д′)╯彡┻━┻ brycec: ^ that's what I do :p mercutio: how much demand is there etc.
i think it'd be useful for more people to push for a shared /24 anycast segment
but even then, if you want to be able to take hosts in/out, then you probably want something like bgp per customer. brycec: That could be a nice upsell
for $2/mo get an anycast IP between two locations, something like that mercutio: or you end up with the situation that you are doing something with either of your vm's and your anycast goes down.
i like anycast :)
but yeah not everyone can easily get a /24 for anycast. BryceBot: That's what she said!! brycec: Not to mention it can be quite a waste of a /24. If you can share the costs with other users, super mercutio: yeh
i used to think it'd be cool to have anycast in lots of locations.
now i'm much more keen on anycast in few reliable locations.
there are some caveats - like debugging where there are issues if a provider has issues etc.
a lot of people do anycast badly, in that they'll have two dns servers in the same location, leading to lower availability if there are routing issues to that location.
where you really want to mix anycast and non anycast, or have different anycast domains that go to different locations.
well esp. with large cdn's etc.
20 or 50 msec doesn't matter as much as 50 or 200.
and if 20/50 can be more reliable than 20/20 then i'd rather have 30 msec time taken extra on dns lookups etc.
but even 50/200 isn't that bad.
even people as large as google with short ttl's aren't running dns servers close to users and you don't really notice
because all of their site stuff is fast and optimised
(and because you have really high hit chance rates for google services) ***: [api] has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com) mnathani_: Do American Nationals need permits and such to setup business in Germany??
s/??/? mercutio: don't think that'd be considered a business in germany ***: carvite_ has joined #arpnetworks
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mnathani_: do they anycast with two servers for one location total?
they're probably sensible.
damn
they're not sensible.
they have 6 dns servers all in the same region over the same provider.
and better from where you are mnathani_ ?
oh there's lots of diversity from arp.
but yeh from new zealand they all terminate in sydney over megaport to the same provider asn. mnathani_: they put all ns in all locations I believe mercutio: at least there were diff routes for uk and arp
instead of all going to the same location in sydney for me mnathani_: they have pretty high uptime
used to be 100% for like the first 8 years of operation
they had a graph of one of the DDOS attacks targeted at them. Can't seem to find it at the moment though mercutio: can still have localised outages. mnathani_: yes, but is an outage really an outage if customers are not affected?
in the case of redundant anycast provisioned servers mercutio: what
if a peering exchange has issues
and all of your routes to a dns server go over that peering exchange
then it's like all the servers are down if ther'es a peering exchange outage. mnathani_: right mercutio: i haven't seen a specific outage on this peering exchange yet
but i've seen reduced connectivity to it
which was affecting other stuff to australia too
there's a backup path, but it's much higher latency etc.