[00:00] there's original ion at least though. not much has changed. [00:00] but the original author went crazy and shifted to windows. [00:02] whats up with quirks-2.114 [00:02] when I install something [00:02] @google quirks-2.114 [00:02] 35 total results returned for 'quirks-2.114', here's 3 [00:02] View Contract (http://www.michigan.gov/documents/buymichiganfirst/9200164_282550_7.pdf) Jun 3, 2009 ... 53. 2.113 Retention of Records ......................................................................................... .................... 53. 2.114 Audit Resolution . [00:02] ГОСТ 2.114-95 (http://www.complexdoc.ru/lib/%D0%93%D0%9E%D0%A1%D0%A2%202.114-95) ГОСТ 2.114-95 Единая система конструкторской документации. Технические условия Unified ... The Charming Quirks of Others. 700 р. Google обновила ... [00:02] a step for evaluating constructivist approach integrated online courses (http://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ944922.pdf) factor 3.561 and 10.474%, as third factor 2.273 and 6.684%, as fourth factor 2.114 and 6.218%, as fifth factor 1.543 and 4.556%. Further to this, variance ... [00:02] @google quirks openbsd [00:02] 1,460 total results returned for 'quirks openbsd', here's 3 [00:02] packages - openbsd: why quirks-1.87 was installed all of a sudden ... (http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/109340/openbsd-why-quirks-1-87-was-installed-all-of-a-sudden) Jan 14, 2014 ... I was trying to install mysql on OpenBSD; instead, somehow quirks-1.87 was installed, whereas mysql was claimed to not be found. Why? [00:02] OpenBSD ports ∴ devel/quirks (http://ports.su/devel/quirks) The quirks package allows unpredicted changes to the package system. For instance, package name changes, or stuff incorporated into base. pkg_add tests  ... [00:02] Updating all OpenBSD packages with pkg_add - Linux Audit (http://linux-audit.com/updating-all-openbsd-packages-with-pkg_add/) Feb 15, 2015 ... ... an important task. To achieve that, use pkg_add to update your installed OpenBSD packages. ... quirks-2.9 signed on 2014-07-31T22:37:55Z [00:05] If its so responsive in a VM, I can't imagine how responsive it would be on bare metal [00:06] well years and years back "time xterm -e pwd" was twice as fast as linux [00:08] from memory it was a fanless p133 [00:09] i used to have a network cable back to back, and have an athlon in another room and run lots of stuff remotely [00:10] the only problem with openbsd back then was the disk cache only used something like 10% of ram by default for cache [00:10] but now days that's been fixed. you used to have to tweak it up [00:11] but yeah depending on the applications you use even slow cpus can be pretty fast still. [00:12] i'm guessing whatever you're using would be quick. [00:12] its an old i7 [00:12] chrome is slow on anything though :/ [00:12] bloody bloated. [00:12] its still the best one out there [00:12] heh [00:13] have you tried using Firefox lately? [00:13] yip [00:13] i use firefox for java these days [00:13] kvm over ip type stuff? [00:13] yeh [00:13] chrome dropped java support [00:13] really [00:14] too many security vulnerabilities I guess [00:14] yeah and flash [00:14] do you use snapchat? [00:14] no [00:14] it seems to be pretty popular with the younger generations [00:15] scary thought [00:17] i wonder if edge will come to linux [00:17] or mac [00:18] linux is too fragmented to develop for [00:18] suse, redhat, ubuntu, debian, centos etc etc [00:18] i disagree [00:18] they're not that different really [00:19] libraries they ship with are different [00:19] versions [00:19] you mean versions [00:19] yea [00:19] yeah that's not a big deal [00:19] statically link executable [00:19] > [00:19] ? [00:19] that's the usual solution [00:20] skype works fine on different distros [00:20] makes for one huge binary [00:20] they have to test on each one and compile for each one [00:20] not really [00:21] % ldd /usr/lib32/skype/skype | wc -l [00:21] 41 [00:21] can they compile once and run many times ? [00:21] but mostly that's things like libz.so.1 libSM.so.6 etc [00:21] which are standard [00:21] the library thing is blown out of proportion [00:22] most of the core libraries are fine to just link against. [00:23] php being compiled as module for diff versions of apache is an example where it's more complicated [00:23] but for things like X libraries it's generally not an issue [00:28] mercutio: thanks for the openbsd 5.8 sync [00:33] up_the_irons: do you have devious shell account? [00:33] i do [00:34] nice [00:34] I hope they approve my application once I apply [00:35] would be nice to access a box without having root access on it [00:35] does your account go back to pre ARPnetworks days? [00:40] mnathani_: why haven't you applied yet? [00:41] morning :) [00:42] mnathani_: no, in fact they started here :) [00:42] if my memory serves me correctly ... [03:18] *** streak has joined #arpnetworks [03:21] Indeed. [03:21] I run OpenBSD on my laptop. It's great. [03:21] Re window manager: as of 6am, I now run the WM that I wrote. [03:21] boom [03:39] you wrote a wm? [03:39] what's it like? [03:39] It's my fifth try, so: tedious? [03:39] heh [03:39] is it using xlib [03:39] or that new thing [03:39] xcb [03:40] The first two were from scratch (using GTK), and this one is a fork of metacity (mostly gutted and re-written). [03:40] ahh [03:40] what's the goal? [03:40] It's really easy to get a WM working, but it's really hard to support all the fancy multimedia stuff of today. [03:41] https://bitptr.org/ - this is the goal. [03:41] i've been wondering how to make urxvt flicker less, and i was curious how it's code works, and went into it a little, but that's about as close to X coding as I know about :) [03:42] (That page only lists things that are working; I have 10 projects in my local bitptr private repo.) [03:42] ahh [03:43] i used twm when i first started using unix. [03:43] I like twm. It feels simple to use. [03:43] it is [03:43] but having to hold the mouse button to use the menu sucks [03:44] i used olvwm a bit, and fvwm, and all those other ones. [03:44] Yeah -- sometimes I feel like having a full, fancy desktop with all the conveniences. [03:44] in the end i went back to text mode :) [03:44] yeah i tried enlightenment for a while [03:44] but it was too slow [03:44] I was using cwm until two days ago. It's not bad. [03:44] it's not notion that brought me back to X [03:44] well ion at the time. [03:45] cos i could just have lots of terminals and virtual desktops and have it like text mode :) [03:45] yeah i heard about cwm but haven't tried it yet. [03:46] i tried to like awesome [03:46] cos it used xcb [03:46] http://seasonofcode.com/posts/how-x-window-managers-work-and-how-to-write-one-part-ii.html - here's a walkthrough on how to make a WM. It's in C++, but it could be done in Python or C or Ruby or whatever. [03:46] but not being able to manually set pane sizes etc is too annoyingf [03:50] hmm [03:50] http://www.mini-dweeb.org/~arnau/docs/dueti/project/report.pdf [03:50] so awesome documented porting from xlib to xcb. [03:51] That's really cool. [03:51] and said there isn't much documentation for xcb [03:51] sigh [03:51] i didn't find much about xcb when i looked [03:51] i really would like to be able to make urxvt faster :) [03:52] but it seems to be mostly to do with the font stuff, and that programs will often output tiny blobs of data all the time. [03:52] like 'locate *' is slower than 'locate * | cat' [03:53] Interesting. [03:53] there's no system calls to coalesce that stuff though that i could find [03:54] Presumably it's read(2)'ing from stdout? What if it reads in larger chunks? [03:54] read will return partial data [03:54] you can usleep(1) [03:54] or yield() on linux [03:55] which drops cpu usage a bit [03:55] i was mostly wondering if i could make it fast to not flicker though, and small amounts of data shouldn't be the cause of that [03:56] there's already intelligent scrolling etc. [03:56] Maybe multiple buffering will solve it? Does it already double buffer? [03:56] so in the end it didn't seem like there was any trivial improvements other than dropping cpu usage by yield or usleep(1) [03:56] i can't recall [03:56] i can't remember what it was doing for event loop even [03:57] but i figured that the simplest solution would be to have something like cat in the middle :) [03:57] Heh. [04:00] i kind of want something to able to record screen stuff too [04:01] i actually quite liked the idea of being able to show graphics etc in terminals too. [04:01] I have a script on my work computer for that. I think it uses ffmpeg but I might be wrong. [04:01] Maybe you should write your own term emulator! [04:01] i think it's time for a new terminal that can make use of the fact that most people want mostly text but some minimal graphics that they can use over ssh etc would be handy [04:01] yeah i want to [04:01] using xcb [04:02] but steep learning curve. [04:02] i've wanted to since bbs days tbh [04:02] Mostly VT and ANSI escape codes. [04:03] but then the web took off [04:03] and bbs's died :) [04:03] with bbs's i tried to make sure everything was instant. [04:04] and i played with avatar instead of ansi, and it made 0 real world difference due to modem compression. [04:04] but writing characters slowly and constantly polling for key presses slowed things down heaps. [04:05] also it was trivial to detect avatar support, but no-one seemed to do it. even though you could just request cursor position and use avatar to move the cursor and detect easily. [04:06] That's some fancy footwork there. [04:06] not really [04:06] it seems obvious really, it's just no-one seemed to do it [04:07] you could also detect partial region scrolling support [04:07] i think it was like esc[2;23R or such [04:08] little r [04:08] which would bound the window for writing text to start/end position [04:09] instead it seems if people wanted to do that because support wasn't everywhere they'd just rewrite the bottom of the page [04:09] it's a pity you can't detect things like colour support these days :( [04:10] It's all JSON this and HTML that. [04:12] yeah pages these days are so cluttered [05:55] *** _iwc has joined #arpnetworks [06:13] *** _iwc has quit IRC (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))) [10:15] *** nesta has quit IRC (Quit: SIGQUIT) [10:33] up_the_irons: what do you mean? devio.us has never been connected with ARP... [10:35] Fun fact: My UID=1611, up_the_irons' UID=3100. And yes they're assigned sequentially ;P [10:42] (devio.us has always been baremetal, never virtualized, going all the way back to our start with OpenBSD 4.6) [11:55] *** streak has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [12:20] did anyone ever have a SDF account back in the heyday? [13:58] SDF? [13:59] a shell provider according to google [13:59] but page sayzs connection refused [13:59] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SDF_Public_Access_Unix_System [13:59] SDF Public Access Unix System :: Super Dimension Fortress (SDF, also known as freeshell.org) is a nonprofit public access UNIX shell provider on the Internet. It has been in continual operation since 1987 as a non-profit social club. The name derives from the Japanese anime series The Super Dimension Fortress Macross (the original server was originally a BBS for anime fans). Services The system currently includes NetBSD servers for regular [14:12] ^^ [14:21] i didn't i just googled [14:35] brycec: some accounts had devious email addresses. maybe I just assumed. I apologize. [15:18] *** jbergstroem has quit IRC (Quit: bye) [15:18] *** jbergstroem has joined #arpnetworks [15:22] *** jbergstroem has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [15:22] *** jbergstroem has joined #arpnetworks [15:38] I had an SDF account once upon a time [15:39] up_the_irons: Considering that we self-host our email on our single host box... ;) Sorry to deny you that feather in your cap [15:49] *** KILLALLHUMANS01 has quit IRC (Quit: Upgrade time.) [15:56] brycec: it's OK! [17:13] *** mkb has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [18:31] @google m:tier [18:31] 17,600,000 total results returned for 'm:tier', here's 3 [18:31] Home » M:Tier (http://www.mtier.org/) Get the most value out of your Enterprise Open Source Strategy. Customers from around the world use our expertise to turn their investments into money. [18:31] M:Tier - Stable packages and binpatches (https://stable.mtier.org/) Introduction. Keeping your installed OpenBSD packages up to date is hard and time-consuming. Nobody wants to read the mailing lists to spot security fixes ... [18:31] openup » M:Tier (https://www.mtier.org/solutions/apps/openup/) openup is a small utility for OpenBSD that can be run standalone or from cron(8) and that checks for security updates in both packages and the base system. [18:33] BryceBot++ [19:29] so do people usually use openup or set PKG_PATH for mtier? [19:34] I couldn't say. Personally, I use openup. [19:37] I also added the mtier repo (well, my mirror of it) to installpath so pkg_add always pulls the latest package. But then I use openup -c in my daily.local to notify me of updates, and openup to update. [19:38] did you subscribe to updates? [19:40] i kind of wish m:tier was official :) [19:42] Negatory (but I probably ought to) [19:42] https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/655933125382422528 [19:42] TWITTER: Look everybody, I found the NANOG member https://twitter.com/0xcolby/status/655932672615706624 (Mon Oct 19 02:26:58 +0000 2015, retweeted 3 times) [23:29] What do you mean "official"? [23:29] as part of base