mercutio: it does look a bit off brycec: Off? In what way? mercutio: in that it should say arpnetworks brycec: Is that the aforementioned cosmetic change? mercutio: yes brycec: AH yes, I would agree mercutio: yeah the problem is that it's only that change atm, so it hadn't been pushed yet :)
SeaBIOS (version 1.7.4-20150706_011241-arp)
that's what the other one says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2VXoI3XTq4 BryceBot: YouTube video: "Coreboot + Seabios vs Award Bios" by Jonpro03 brycec: :/ seems I can't quite do what I want to do, put my VPS on a VLAN in order to put it "behind" a dedicated machine. Something seems to be stripping the tag. And alas, I can't afford any more downtime to fiddle with things. mercutio: you mean vlan inside vlan? brycec: yes
(technically) mercutio: why not just use internal ip's or such? brycec: Because then I have to nat, for one BryceBot: That's what she said!! brycec: BryceBot: no BryceBot: Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'Because then I have to nat, for one' mercutio: you can always do ip routing
and route to the internal ip
err route the internet ip to the internal ip
but you'd still have to do proxyarp brycec: Yeah, makes rules and such complicated, might have issues with ipsec too, etc mercutio: ahh
i'm not sure what would be stripping tag brycec: I do see tagged packets on both sides, but it seems like some packets end up stripped mercutio: it may be some kind of vlan offload oddity or such
did you try reducing mtu? brycec: maybe. I'll leave it for some other day mercutio: ok brycec: Hm I didn't. But even small ICMP didn't seem to get returned
I did see the ICMP packets arrive on the VPS, on the tagged interface even. But they didn't seem to get returned in the first place. mercutio: it may be a checksum issue -: brycec decides to slip in a few more minutes of "maintenance" mercutio: just test on internal ip's first
so that it's not downtime
is it freebsd or linux? brycec: It's really annoying to debug in such a tiny window, vnc and serial are both 80x25 mercutio: or oepnbsd. :) brycec: OpenBSD mercutio: hmm brycec: (And FreeBSD on the router side) mercutio: which side was not returning packets? brycec: the "inside" OpenBSD box behind the FreeBSD firewall mercutio: did you try pfctl -d for testing? brycec: I don't think so -: brycec is a bit distracted mercutio: openbsd doesn't really allow much network tweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaking
grr
for some reason got a huge delay, and synergy meant it didn't register key up :0 brycec: eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
lol mercutio: i don't even have a fast repeat rate.
wow wikipedia's ads are over half the page now
saying that less than 1% give brycec: I used to give until the ads/begging got so bad mercutio: yeah i'm out of ideas for openbsd already brycec: heh mercutio: hmm
hwfeatures=16<CSUM_TCPv4,CSUM_UDPv4,VLAN_MTU> hardmtu 16000 brycec: Don't fret about it mercutio: can't help it, i'm curious :)
but yeah i'll see if i can figure out anything when the new openbsd comes out brycec: heh sorry for nerd-sniping you mercutio: heh it's that thing where you see a problem and you want to know why :) brycec: Exactly mercutio: most geeks seems to have it :)
at least the ones that stay in IT :) brycec: For now I'm content having this VM in front of the other VM's on my dedi box mercutio: ok brycec: (makes firewall management much simpler :)) mercutio: i'm kind of a fan of firewall per host
but with things like port scans etc it can be nice to block further up brycec: Nothing wrong with that. But maintenance (keeping rules/whitelists synchronized) is annoying.
For me though, I don't like firewalling in non-OpenBSD (or non-pf, really) so this covers my Debian VMs) mercutio: ahh brycec: Also makes an easy ipsec endpoint for me to bridge networks mercutio: are you doing the upgrade to 5.8 soon? brycec: On some hosts, certainly
I have a couple production hosts still on 5.6 - can't handle the risk of extended downtime mercutio: heh
5.6 is recent :) brycec: indeed, it just won't be "current", won't receive errata/patches, etc mercutio: yeah depends what it's running brycec: (which I can't fault OpenBSD for) mercutio: i used to think it was crazy that people would want uptimes of years.
but now i see a lot of sense in it as i grew older :)
although when you have 5 year uptimes the hardware is probably getting pretty old brycec: (In my defense, it's not solid update we need for these services, but the risk is that something will break with the upgrade and cause extended downtime, problems etc. And that's on us, we just don't have a testbed for our stuff right now to try an upgrade) mercutio: yeah
i remember a bit of pain with updates back when i used raidframe with openbsd
before i had nice lights out etc :)
raidframe hasn't been included in ages, so it must have been going back a long time.
and openbsd wanted to rebuild the whole raid set before booting.
i haven't actually touched software raid on openbsd in ages, any idea what it's like? brycec: Nope 'fraid not
"Hurricane Electric is offering existing customers and users a Full 42U cabinet in our data center in Fremont, California, US with 15 amp 120 volt power and 1 Gbps on gige Internet bandwidth for $400/month total."
wow
I mean, 15A isn't *that* much
still, lot you could do with 42U for the price of a few ARP dedi's mercutio: one of their fremont data centres had a lot of power issues
and i doubt power is redundant
but yeah that's damn cheap if you just want to host a whole lot of cheap servers. brycec: yeah I noted that too (non-redundant power feeds, etc) mercutio: i've got a friend in santa clara, i'm sure he'd love the idea of me suggesting he do a whole lot of server installs hah
hmm 15 amp in US voltage sucks. brycec: Yeah, relatively
eg: Good luck stuffing 42 1U servers in there mercutio: 15 amp with NZ voltage (240v) still means you can't go dense. brycec: 15A over 42U is .02W/U mercutio: 0.2A you mean? brycec: *2.7W/U I meant mercutio: ahh -: brycec missed a decimal :p mercutio: hangon that still seems wrong
39.28 watts/u
it's .285 but you never round up when talking about power usage :)
my home server is using 77watts at idle.
speaking of he.net i just got an e-mail from them brycec: Yeah you're right, I just redid my math. Not sure where I messed up. mercutio: oh
that's the same e-mail you got isn't it :) brycec: possibly the same email as I :p
Probably mercutio: yeah it has the $400/month thing in it
i wonder how much space they have
it's more expensive than that for colo here even before power and bandwidth brycec: Apparently enough to run a special on it :P Overbuilt? ***: dj_goku_ has joined #arpnetworks mercutio: one place is charging $450NZ/month for a cabinet, plus like $200 per killowat of power ***: dj_goku has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) mercutio: and then you need bw on top
errr $450 for half a caibnet i meant brycec: @exch 450 NZD USD BryceBot: 450 NZD -> 302.32142545224 USD (as of Wed, 14 Oct 2015 01:00:10 -0700) mercutio: it's $700 for a cabinet
oh and it was actually $400 it seems, but $450 setup fee.
but yeah that's actually on the cheap side here
interesting, they list layer 2 transport pricing now
it's $1000/month on 1 year term from fremont to los angeles
it doesn't go up by much to go to europe though
cheaper just to use ip transit ***: tabthorpe has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
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relrod_ is now known as relrod mnathani_: does ARPnetworks accept the American Express credit card? brycec: Good question mnathani_: The credit card updating page does not specify which cards they accept brycec: Nor is it addressed in the FAQ or support section mnathani_: couldnt find it in the knowledgebase either
yea mercutio: you could try just sticking it in brycec: twss BryceBot: Okay! twss! 'you could try just sticking it in' mercutio: hahaa mnathani_: lol mercutio: it does
go to order
you can set visa, mastercard, american express, discover
i don't know what discover is brycec: it's a US credit card company
@wiki Discover Card BryceBot: Discover Card :: The Discover Card is a credit card, issued primarily in the United States. It was announced by Sears in 1985 and was introduced nationwide the following year. Discover was part of Dean Witter, and then Morgan Stanley, until 2007, when Discover Financial Services became an independent company. Novus was once the major processing center that partnered with the company.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discover%20Card mercutio: yeah must not have much international spread. brycec: mercutio/up_the_irons: How is the image list populated on the signup form? It lists OpenBSD 4.7 for instance, which really should just be deleted. Same with Debian lenny and squeeze. etc mercutio: it's manually edited. brycec: Just my $.02 but I think the list is way too long as is, and most of that are out of date releases. mercutio: openbsd 4.7 is still available, the rationale being that someone for some unknown reason may want to install an older version for compatibility reasons or such.
yeah brycec: mercutio: sure, that's why the ISO is still around. No reason to keep the image around though.
If someone knows what they're doing... mercutio: hmm over 5 years. brycec: Yep mercutio: true. brycec: Also known as: Don't encourage $lusers to install unmaintained releases. mercutio: heh brycec: Also, the Debian 7.3 semi-duplicates the 7.8 image, since an apt-get upgrade in the 7.3 will take it to 7.9
*7.8 mercutio: so drop freebsd 10.0, 9.0, 7.2, openbsd 4.7 through 5.4, and ubuntu lucid you reckon?
err and debian lenny and squeeze, and centos 6.3. there are a few hmm. brycec: Yes, precisely.
(And the page already says "If it's not listed, you can install it yourself" so that angle is covered)
Out of curiosity, do you guys have some parternship deal with "AutumnTECH"? mercutio: no idea brycec: Mmk. Seems sorta like it - all the other images are just operating systems, but that image is someone's product and it's very clearly at the top (because alphabet, I suspect) ***: meingtsla has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
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