[05:21] *** fluter has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [10:56] *** toeshred_ is now known as toeshred [11:44] *** m0unds_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [15:21] *** dne has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [15:25] *** dne has joined #arpnetworks [15:57] Is there a reliable way to detect asymmetric routing without having access to the other side, to perfrom a reverse mtr/trace [15:58] ttl [15:59] although it won't give you much more information people tend to have normalish ttl settings [15:59] so if ttl is 60 when it reaches you, they probably have initial ttl of 64 [16:00] asymmetric routing is pretty normal these days though [16:14] mercutio: https://gist.github.com/mnathani/b9ef2774c83f1b040339 [16:14] Gist: "Determine asymmetric routing" [16:14] would that be symmetrical, or hard to tell? [16:15] yeah that's asymmetric [16:15] but that's normal [16:16] it's got a shorter path in than out [16:16] but there can be lots of various reasons to do asymmetric [16:16] like the bras that you connect to may have limited ram, and not be able to take a full route table, but still able to advertise it's route tables out [16:17] so it may for most routes just take a default route to reach the internet, but it may still be advertising it's connected users more directly [16:17] so that can mean 1 extra hop going out sometimes, compared to in [16:18] asymmetric before you get out to the real internet isn't as bad generally [16:18] and asymmetric is only really bad when you have reliability issues [16:18] as you increase your chances of hitting issues [16:19] but pretty much asymmetric for the wider internet is the norm now. and the biggest issue is when things partially fail rather than fail [16:19] such as the peering disputes, giving huge packet loss etc. [16:21] up_the_irons: does ARPNetworks implemenet BCP38? [16:21] s/implemenet/implement [16:21] up_the_irons: does ARPNetworks implement BCP38? [16:21] they do [16:21] it's pretty easy to test fwiw [16:22] I suppose you need your ip range to be added to a filter when you bring your own IPs with a BGP session? [16:22] yeah [16:22] sending udp traffic outbound? [16:22] just use the ping command [16:22] it can set arbitary source addresses [16:23] then you can dump listening for that source address [16:23] although i usually test with rfc1913 addresses [16:23] @google rfc1913 [16:23] Searching for 'rfc 1913' instead. [16:23] 22,500 total results returned for 'rfc 1913', here's 3 [16:23] RFC 1913 - Architecture of the Whois++ Index Service (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1913) RFC 1913 Architecture of the Whois++ Index Service February 1996 necessarily the best) way of building the directory service is to build a hierarchy of directory ... [16:23] List of pilots awarded an Aviator's Certificate by the Royal Aero Club ... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pilots_awarded_an_Aviator's_Certificate_by_the_Royal_Aero_Club_in_1913) Royal Aero Club certificates awarded in 1913 (nos. 383—719) ..... 30 May 1913, First RFC pilot to land in France in the First World War. 502, Naval Shipwright ... [16:23] Architecture of the Whois++ Index Service (https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc1913) Canonical URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1913.txt. This document is also available in this non-normative format: PDF. Status: HISTORIC (changed from ... [16:23] @google rfc1918 [16:23] oops [16:23] 35,200 total results returned for 'rfc1918', here's 3 [16:23] Private network - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network) In the Internet addressing architecture, a private network is a network that uses private IP address space, following the standards set by RFC 1918 for Internet ... [16:23] PF: Tables (http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/tables.html) table const { 192.168.0.0/16, 172.16.0.0/12, \ 10.0.0.0/8 } table < spammers> persist block in on fxp0 from { , } to any pass in on ... [16:23] RFC 1918 - Address Allocation for Private Internets (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1918) RFC 1918 Address Allocation for Private Internets February 1996 capabilities of Internet Service Providers. Efforts are in progress within the community to find ... [16:23] sorry :/ [16:24] but yeah the same applies, it's easy to test [16:25] the problem with bcp38 is that it's other people you want to implement it [16:25] it doesn't really improve your network that much [16:25] compared to making it obvious that you're attacking someone to other people [16:26] it's also dangerous for transit situations [16:26] and a lot of attacks don't even spoof ip anymore [16:26] they just use udp bouncing etc [16:26] with various amplification attacks [16:35] on windows 10, is there a way to get applications show up as you start typing right after you hit start? Like windows 8? [16:35] start8 does that [16:35] mine does that [16:35] i haven't been using the windows 10 start menu [16:35] but with windows 8 you used to have to say what kind of thing you were looking for [16:35] like apps, data, etc. [16:36] bloody annoying [16:36] i just hit winkey + type steam [16:36] and steam is the top thing in the list [16:36] or planet and it shows me planetside 2 [16:37] http://i.imgur.com/KErAqCA.png [16:37] for instance [16:37] yeah it seems to work normally for me but it's fullscreen? [16:38] no [16:38] so that changed at some point [16:38] i just took a screenshot of only the start menu [16:38] with windows 10 [16:38] the fullscreen is probably from using start8 [16:38] win8 it was fullscreen, win10 it isn't [16:38] it's just a pop up menu [16:39] on start 8 if you click ctrl on the windows start thing it does fullscreen [16:39] my use case hasn't changed at all [16:39] i still just hit winkey then type the first few letters and hit enter [16:39] with 8.1 it was really annoying [16:39] just a matter of fullscreen or not, didn't bother me either way as i'm entering a task and the start menu was only there to launch the app [16:39] m0unds: yeah i'm saying it works [16:40] https://weallsee.net/start.png [16:42] when I enter in excel, the application is not the first result [16:42] weird [16:42] it searches in other places not just apps like windows 8 [16:42] files, internet etc [16:44] oh, there's a start fullscreen toggle btw - personalization > start > use Start full screen [16:44] https://www.dropbox.com/s/57n671ynwu4kpln/Screenshot%202015-09-09%2019.41.12.png?dl=0 [16:44] Dropbox photo: "https://www.dropbox.com/s/57n671ynwu4kpln/Screenshot%202015-09-09%2019.41.12.png?dl=0" [16:45] what's the name of the app in the start menu? [16:45] like if you were to go to all apps and navigate to it [16:45] excel 2013 [16:45] i have excel 2016 as top match [16:45] which is what I typed [16:45] is that the only app that doesn't show up? [16:45] when i type excel [16:46] photoshop doesnt show up either [16:46] wow, this seems to be a windows app or whatever [16:46] the fullscreen weird thing [16:46] app is called adobe photoshop cc 2015 [16:47] i wonder if maybe you need to rebuild your index or something [16:47] is it on a separate drive? [16:47] from windows [16:47] http://superuser.com/questions/950009/windows-10-cortana-search-is-not-finding-apps [16:47] seems like others having issues too [16:47] same drive [16:47] mnathani_: just isntall start8? [16:47] it's like $5 [16:48] default locations for apps [16:48] http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-win_cortana/cortana-not-finding-desktop-apps-when-searching/f612e995-6664-4b91-b6ae-96790e763858?auth=1 [16:48] and doesn't have those weird big boxes etc [16:48] there's a start10 now too [16:49] although i'm still using start8 [16:50] mnathani_: do you have uac off? [16:53] yes [16:53] uac is off [16:53] should I try turning it back on? [16:54] someone said that setting it to the 1st notch from teh bottom (don't notify w/settings) fixed it [16:54] but it could be unrelated [16:54] dont know if it needs a reboot or relogin [16:54] that answers.msft thing up there had a powershell command for reinstalling cortana that seemed to fix it for some people too [16:55] yea, it does [16:55] reboot [16:55] but simply changing it to that setting did not work [16:55] ok [16:55] brb - reboot [16:55] *** mnathani_ has quit IRC () [17:05] *** mnathani_ has joined #arpnetworks [17:05] reboot didit [17:06] apps are showing up as expected now [17:06] not sure if it was the powershell command, enabling uac, or simply windows update [17:06] thanks m0unds [17:09] heh [17:09] that's what windows problems are like [17:10] it's fixed... but why! [20:23] cool, glad something worked [20:23] whatever it was