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| kellytk | mercutio: Are you aware of any independent security analyis of h2o? | [01:28] | |
| mercutio | kellytk: no, it's new
i doubt any has been done it's mostly interesting atm they don't seem naieve. but there could still be risk as with any program | [01:28] | |
| kellytk | It appears to be picking up substantial steam on GitHub | [01:30] | |
| mercutio | you know openssl must not have had any good security done too
for those long standing vulnerabilities i'd hate to try and read the source :) there's an old saying about peer code reviews | [01:30] | |
| kellytk | Have you worked with LibreSSL? | [01:31] | |
| mercutio | but pretty much when people are faced with lots of other peoples code they often kind of just push it through | [01:31] | |
| kellytk | https://github.com/h2o/h2o/commits/master | [01:31] | |
| mercutio | but when there's small amounts of code they analyse it to death :)
i haven't touched ssl with any of my own code | [01:31] | |
| kellytk | That's signal:noise showing itself as an important balance I think | [01:32] | |
| mercutio | openbsd of course has shifted to libressl | [01:32] | |
| kellytk | Naturally :-) | [01:32] | |
| mercutio | https://github.com/h2o/h2o/commit/2a6ea3763fe385575006fb2b0f7f76c55dd03126 | [01:35] | |
| BryceBot | Github Commit: "implement casper; cache-aware server push using cookie-based cache fingerprinting by Kazuho Oku" | [01:35] | |
| mercutio | so yeah that's kind of interesting
that's the kind of thing no-one else semes to be paying much attention to at least that i've noticed | [01:35] | |
| although that stuff matters more for higher latency connections
cdns can make it less significant | [01:43] | ||
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| kellytk | By cookie-based cache fingerprinting would that be, for example, a cookie field set containing a hash of the content upon last request? | [02:02] | |
| mercutio | yeah
even without that it sounds like the client can abort if it already has it for some use cases, pushing is safer than others too | [02:03] | |
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| does 440mb/sec for 3 hard-disk raid10 sound surprisingly quick to anyone else? | [02:39] | ||
| kellytk | Sustained? I'd say so. I'm historically a fan of RAID10, but I'm going to try a JBOD+ZFS next. Have you worked with ZFS mercutio? | [02:41] | |
| mercutio | well sustained for 3 seconds.
there's zfs on it too but no hdparm zfs is raidz / is raid 10 mdadm it tried doign a command :) | [02:44] | |
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| brycec | How do you do a 3-disk RAID10? | [07:03] | |
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| twobithacker | partition each disk into two, mirror the halves so no two are on the same disk, stripe across the mirrors? :/ | [07:20] | |
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| kellytk | The only way I'd run an odd number of disks in RAID 10 is with the odd disk being a hot spare | [13:50] | |
| brycec | But that only works starting at 5 | [13:51] | |
| kellytk | Yes, I'm not speaking to the three disk comment | [13:51] | |
| brycec | :) | [13:51] | |
| kellytk | IMHO RAID 10 starts at four | [13:51] | |
| brycec | Yeah I think that's the minimum for a RAID10 | [13:51] | |
| kellytk | brycec: Have you worked with ZFS in production? | [13:52] | |
| brycec | Yes
But I'm also stepping out to lunch. later | [13:52] | |
| kellytk | Thoughts?
Sure | [13:52] | |
| brycec | I'm 100% pro-ZFS | [13:52] | |
| kellytk | More later | [13:52] | |
| RandalSchwartz | I'm just amateur-ZFS | [13:54] | |
| twobithacker | twobithacker isn't a pro-ZFS but plays one on TV? | [13:55] | |
| kellytk | launchctl load ~/Library/LaunchAgents/varietyshow.job.plist | [13:56] | |
| RandalSchwartz | launchctl: not found | [14:04] | |
| kellytk | :-D | [14:08] | |
| m0unds | zfs is good stuff | [14:09] | |
| kellytk | Can hardware RAID contribute anything to a storage model already using ZFS? | [14:12] | |
| RandalSchwartz | slowness :)
not revealing that there is an underlying failure as in, the raid will still return the right value even if some of the media has failed yes, you can monitor that at a higher level, but it seems odd to do that. | [14:14] | |
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| brycec | Oh goodness no! You should never combine hardware RAID with ZFS.
The key is that ZFS itself won't know about drive failure and won't be able to help you out at all. eg: zfs resliver Not to mention that ZFS is SO much more flexible. | [14:35] | |
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| FYI https://www.freebsd.org/security/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-15%3A22.openssh.asc | [15:31] | ||
| RandalSchwartz | Geez. I gotta go from p21 to p24 already?
I just upgraded sunday! is this remote exploit? ahh, only known users | [15:36] | |
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| mercutio | brycec: 3 disk mdadm raid 10 just works
it stripes different parts of the disks, you get 1.5 disks worth of rdata err data and good read speeds and ok write speds | [15:53] | |
| brycec | RandalSchwartz: I thought you'd enjoy "yet another security advisory" :P | [15:54] | |
| mercutio | there's also the iret exploit byrce | [15:56] | |
| m0unds | hahaha | [15:56] | |
| brycec | I'm not trying to be a comprehensive advisory source :P It just happened to cross my desk (so to speak) | [15:56] | |
| mercutio | ahh | [15:56] | |
| brycec | so I passed it along to the biggest group of FreeBSD users I interact with. | [15:57] | |
| mercutio | it seems security issues are increasing
i don't think they are though, just people finding them | [15:57] | |
| brycec | I still can't fathom 3-disk RAID10. That's just fundamentally impossible (assuming 1 disk = 1 volume)
heh | [15:57] | |
| mercutio | brycec: it uses whole dsiks as far as partition tables goes
or whole partitions but it will stripe have of the partition with half from another drive i did it with zfs once btw :/ by doing it manually with carving up | [15:58] | |
| brycec | s/have/half | [15:59] | |
| BryceBot | <mercutio> but it will stripe half of the partition with half from another drive | [15:59] | |
| m0unds | mercutio: i think it's more people looking for and finding them
which is a Good Thing | [16:00] | |
| brycec | Apparently what mercutio is describing is actually RAID 1E. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-standard_RAID_levels#RAID_1E | [16:03] | |
| BryceBot | Non-standard RAID levels :: Although all RAID implementations differ from the specification to some extent, some companies and open-source projects have developed non-standard RAID implementations that differ substantially from the standard. Additionally, there are non-RAID drive architectures, providing configurations of multiple hard drives not referred to by RAID acronyms. Double parity Now part of RAID 6, double parity (sometimes know | [16:03] | |
| brycec | It's interesting. | [16:03] | |
| mercutio | yeah it's mdadm's non-standard raid1 0
err raid 10 | [16:07] | |
| brycec | For a brief time in 2013, RHEL allowed you to configure it, but they removed it because it's just so bizarre and it breaks peoples' heads. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=888879 | [16:07] | |
| mercutio | well it works especially well for the 3 disk case.
i use far=2, but i think you can use other ways to do it too because in 3 disk case, it takes single disk failure like raid5, while giving better read/write/random performance actually it shoudl be slightly reduced write speed compared to raid5, as you have to double up your writes. also, zfsonlinux is adding large block support, i was trying it out on my server and it seemed to be slightly quicker with 256k record size than 128k i don't think i really want to go higher though. linux also lets you do fancy things like raid1 over 3 hard-disks | [16:08] | |
| brycec | Is that "fancy"? | [16:13] | |
| mercutio | i don't think everythign supports it | [16:13] | |
| m0unds | sounds like something i wouldn't want
hahaha | [16:14] | |
| mercutio | i really don't know where to go with hard-disks and raid
for bulk storage, you can do raidz2, 4 disks, 2 parity but random performance will suck | [16:15] | |
| m0unds | figure what works for the workload and use that | [16:16] | |
| mercutio | or you can do two raidz1 3 disk pools striped, but double failures on one raidz can screw you
nothing is really ideal | [16:16] | |
| m0unds | if you need solid redundancy, target that, better perf, target that
you don't go for ideal, you go for what works for the workload if you need something that works with every possibility, go ssd raid or something | [16:16] | |
| brycec | I have a couple of RAID1+0's that I intend to move to ZFS, just not sure the most ideal zdev for it yet...
brycec might just mirror all 4 drives for ultimate redundancy, since capacity is turning out to be less important than when the raid10 was setup | [16:17] | |
| mercutio | m0unds: well now days people want performance, and reliability, and redundancy ..
zfs ssd caching can help long time running read performance, but not really write | [16:21] | |
| brycec | s/$ and supermodels, and happiness, and money, and world peace, and free energy, and.../
dammit | [16:21] | |
| mercutio | i hope that read caching can persist over reboots soon
i imagine that 2.5" disks are going to start getting more common and maybe that'll mean people can have more hard-disks cheaper and lower power. 2.5" is kind of a pita for mass storage atm, you have expensive sas disks, ssd's, and laptop hard-disks. ssd's should displace expensive sas disks in most situations y'never know, maybe 1tb 10k 2.5" sas disks will get cheap | [16:22] | |
| up_the_irons | there's a RAID 1E?? | [16:26] | |
| mercutio | there is a raid 1e, but it's non standard, and not completely the same as mdadm raid10
there's heaps of weird kinds of raid around actually
oh it's linking to wikipedia but that shows layout for mdadm raid 10 | [16:26] | |
| up_the_irons | wow | [16:27] | |
| mercutio | normally 10 on linux works better with two disks even
at least, if you want sequential performance as raid 1 all only read from one mirror at a time and from what i understand offset modes are meant to boost shared workloads | [16:31] | |
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| up_the_irons | channel poll: who would buy a dedi (or vps) if we had presence in the EU? | [18:29] | |
| mike-burns | VPS, please. | [18:29] | |
| brycec | I would not, because I have no need of an EU presence. But please don't let me skew the results unfairly. | [18:30] | |
| up_the_irons | mike-burns: roger
brycec: roger that | [18:30] | |
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| kellytk | up_the_irons: I would buy a VPS
Has anyone run into an issue with Parallels when attempting to install a FreeBSD guest from .iso where no boot devices are available? | [18:55] | |
| m0unds | up_the_irons: I wouldn't either, have no need for EU stuff myself | [19:09] | |
| i did, however, just pour myself a nice bavarian beer | [19:16] | ||
| up_the_irons | m0unds: nice, which one? | [19:18] | |
| m0unds | ayinger celebrator
came with..a tiny horse http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/39/131/ this 'un | [19:27] | |
| BryceBot | Beer Advocate: "Ayinger Celebrator Doppelbock | Privatbrauerei Franz Inselkammer KG / Brauerei Aying" | [19:27] | |
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| kellytk | Does anyone know why brown ales are so uncommon? | [19:42] | |
| m0unds | eh? lots of breweries do brown ales
i suppose it might depend on where you are in the world, but i've seen them at lots of breweries in the SW US | [19:43] | |
| gizmoguy | IPAs are way more popular than browns in my part of the world | [19:45] | |
| m0unds | yea, it's the dominant style in the western US nowadays
NM has its own class of western US IPA too :) | [19:46] | |
| gizmoguy | oops just re-read, I see you said uncommon not common :)
beers styles seem to go in fads IPAs were the big thing, sours/bretted beers are now pretty popular here | [19:46] | |
| m0unds | yeah
new belgium's la terroir is a worldclass sour | [19:47] | |
| gizmoguy | do want | [19:47] | |
| m0unds | it's so good | [19:47] | |
| gizmoguy | too bad its so expensive to ship beers here :/ | [19:47] | |
| m0unds | yeah
so much good stuff in CA, CO and NM one of the WA breweries does a fantastic black ipa/cascadian ipa, easily one of the best i've ever had called octopus ink do any of the breweries you've been to in NZ do black IPAs? i'm not sure how common they are outside the us | [19:47] | |
| gizmoguy | Yes!
we do a West Coast IPA challenge every year here, where each NZ brewery submits an IPA to compete this year Epic did No Agenda - http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/epic-no-agenda/349452/ hrm they call it a brown ale. I assure you its very black... Epic also does Apocalypse which is a true black IPA, pretty tasty too - http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/epic-apocalypse-ipa/267920/ | [19:53] | |
| mercutio | ipa are even in the supermarkets. | [19:55] | |
| gizmoguy | baylands Enforcer is awesome too - https://untappd.com/b/baylands-brewery-enforcer-black-ipa/387548
Black IPA / Cascadian Dark Ale | [19:56] | |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [19:56] | |
| gizmoguy | BryceBot: oh hai | [19:56] | |
| m0unds | right on
one of our local breweries, bosque brewing, did a 4 beer ipa called "monsoon series" and the final one was a black ipa ipa series | [19:57] | |
| gizmoguy | mmm
we have a group of local brewers who go by the name of the 4 horsemen of the hopocalypse they do a ridiculous beer every year just cause they can | [19:57] | |
| m0unds | lol | [19:58] | |
| gizmoguy | this years was a triple IPA at 14% | [19:58] | |
| m0unds | jeeeeesus | [19:58] | |
| gizmoguy | sooo good though, they actually managed to balance all the bitterness so it was tasty
but yeah it kinda kicked your butt very quickly | [19:59] | |
| m0unds | was it super boozy? | [19:59] | |
| gizmoguy | I was pretty happen after 300mls
s/happen/happy | [19:59] | |
| BryceBot | <gizmoguy> I was pretty happy after 300mls | [19:59] | |
| m0unds | haha, i bet
that's wacky abv | [19:59] | |
| gizmoguy | biggest one they've done
last years was 11% but wasn't as balanced | [20:00] | |
| mercutio | 14%?! | [20:00] | |
| m0unds | funny that they refined it w/higher abv
it's tough to nail that | [20:00] | |
| gizmoguy | I think they worked out how to get more malt in there somehow | [20:00] | |
| m0unds | alcohol content gets higher and it gets tougher to balance out the alcohol taste so it's not entering spirit territory | [20:00] | |
| gizmoguy | yeah true
was drinking some mikeller the other week though black horizon. I didn't know what happened to my taste buds after that one | [20:00] | |
| m0unds | man, i wish we still got mikeller here. the distributor who used to bring it here stopped carrying their whole line | [20:01] | |
| gizmoguy | wait no it wasn't that one | [20:01] | |
| m0unds | i loved green gold (i think that's what it was called) | [20:01] | |
| gizmoguy | ah it was just the mikerller black - http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/mikkeller-40657--black-tequila-speyside-edition/178448/
18.8% | [20:02] | |
| m0unds | whaaaaat
hahaha | [20:02] | |
| gizmoguy | tequila/speyside infused
and yes it was very much hot alcholo on the palate | [20:02] | |
| mercutio | i'd rather 7% :/ | [20:02] | |
| m0unds | wow, crazy | [20:03] | |
| gizmoguy | if you can get a hold of any of hte mikkeller blacks they are so tasty | [20:03] | |
| mercutio | so tasty that you want another? and another? | [20:03] | |
| m0unds | i haven't seen it in a long time, probably 4-5 yrs | [20:03] | |
| gizmoguy | gizmoguy feeling lucky | [20:03] | |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [20:03] | |
| m0unds | i'll make a reminder to look at liquor stores when i go up to CO in october, since they get tons of stuff we don't
we did a sort of beer vacation up in durango, co during july lots of good breweries within walking distance of each other | [20:03] | |
| mercutio | so when drinking these high alcohol % beers how many do you normally have? | [20:05] | |
| gizmoguy | mercutio: you usually have tasters | [20:06] | |
| mercutio | do you just drink one or two then have normal beer? | [20:06] | |
| gizmoguy | ~130ml | [20:06] | |
| mercutio | oh
OH i thought it'd be like 330ml, or 500ml. | [20:06] | |
| gizmoguy | make more sense? :) | [20:06] | |
| m0unds | hahahaha | [20:06] | |
| gizmoguy | the bottles are
but when we do it, we split a bottle between 6 or so | [20:06] | |
| mercutio | ok that's a bit different | [20:06] | |
| gizmoguy | since the bottles are usually $50 a bottle or so | [20:06] | |
| mercutio | ahh | [20:06] | |
| m0unds | i'll occasionally have a single 650ml bottle of a 10-12% (usually stone russian imperial stout or similar) and that's it
jeez pricey | [20:06] | |
| gizmoguy | yeah unfortunately we pay a high price to get good beer here :( | [20:07] | |
| mercutio | @exch 50 nzd to usd | [20:07] | |
| m0unds | BOOOO | [20:07] | |
| BryceBot | 50 NZD -> 32.482149434778 USD (as of Tue, 25 Aug 2015 20:00:08 -0700) | [20:07] | |
| gizmoguy | there's a really good Wellington importer | [20:07] | |
| mercutio | we pay heaps of taxes on alcohol too | [20:07] | |
| m0unds | need to arrange airships or drones or something | [20:07] | |
| gizmoguy | but they're almost too good, they buy refrigerated shipping all the way from the USA to NZ
which costs a bit | [20:07] | |
| m0unds | wow, that's awesome | [20:07] | |
| gizmoguy | yeah the quality is amazing | [20:07] | |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [20:07] | |
| gizmoguy | the price not so much
lol BryceBot | [20:07] | |
| mercutio | heh
and there i go buying cheap beer :) | [20:07] | |
| gizmoguy | http://beerwithoutborders.co.nz/ | [20:08] | |
| m0unds | the imports we get from EU end up being ~$15-20 for a 650ml bottle
local stuff at the brewery tends to be $3-6/pint depending on how fancy it is | [20:08] | |
| mercutio | http://www.cultbeerstore.co.nz/collections/ipa/products/ballast-point-big-eye-ipa-1
that seems more affordable :/ | [20:09] | |
| m0unds | ballast point stuff is great
their sculpin ipa is amazingly good | [20:10] | |
| mercutio | and 7% is more reasonable | [20:10] | |
| m0unds | i'm a big fan of their sculpin and grapefruit sculpin | [20:10] | |
| gizmoguy | <3 sculpin | [20:10] | |
| mercutio | probably expensive shipping | [20:11] | |
| m0unds | https://goo.gl/photos/69mZkLsoT3jTeD1r9 | [20:11] | |
| BryceBot | https://goo.gl/photos/69mZkLsoT3jTeD1r9 -> https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOptrg_b2Ug7ruW-FqYOuVoHrirKWCA0OlCejGDoyWfDoYwABO5TFqYYWH7VSSzYw?key=dnFTSElXVnJEeGM1SFRXTk1PS25Sa1YzVmVHdlRR | [20:11] | |
| mercutio | $6 shipping i suppose not too bad | [20:11] | |
| m0unds | green flash is good too (looking at the US offerings on that site) | [20:12] | |
| mercutio | i wonder if there's some sampler pack | [20:12] | |
| m0unds | wow, some of these mikkeller sours sound amazing | [20:13] | |
| mercutio | and expensive? :)
i dunno spending $18 on a single bottle of beer seems insane to me | [20:14] | |
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| mercutio | however i look at it | [20:14] | |
| m0unds | i look at it like a bottle of good wine
i can't have a lot of wines because tons of them are fined w/egg whites and i'm allergic to eggs | [20:15] | |
| mercutio | heh i buy cheap wine too :) | [20:17] | |
| m0unds | the most expensive stuff i buy is like $9 for 650ml, and that usually gets put in the beer cooler to age
like the le terroir i mentioned, i typically buy two bottles each release, drink one and cellar the other til the next year's release | [20:19] | |
| mercutio | well that mikkeller sour stuff was $18 for 355 ml
$9 for 650ml doesn't seem so bad. | [20:19] | |
| m0unds | it helps that i'm not thousands of km from new belgium :) | [20:20] | |
| mercutio | could do
but uk is cheaper for shipping than us often for some strange reason | [20:20] | |
| m0unds | huh | [20:21] | |
| mercutio | for normal postal mail stuff
beer problem comes from sea and could be different | [20:21] | |
| m0unds | oh, i don't think the US permits alcohol via USPS | [20:21] | |
| mercutio | more competition maybe
oh right | [20:21] | |
| m0unds | and i think you have to ship direct from a distributor or wholesaler
so fedex or ups | [20:21] | |
| mercutio | i was more meaning distance doesn't necessarily dictate cost | [20:21] | |
| m0unds | i've bought bottles of whiskey online, shipping sucks inside the us too
right seems like it might to a degree when you can get $50 bottles of beer | [20:21] | |
| mercutio | alchol shippining within nz is cheap
normal coureirs will deliver it | [20:22] | |
| m0unds | i think i paid like $20 for overnight fedex from ca -> nm | [20:22] | |
| mercutio | yeah that's a lot more distance then we have possible here :)
or is it | [20:23] | |
| m0unds | yeah
i think my state is only slightly smaller than nz m0unds consults wolframalpha | [20:23] | |
| mercutio | yeah
it's right on the other side of mexico right? | [20:23] | |
| m0unds | NM is 85% the size of the land area of nz | [20:24] | |
| mercutio | oh hangon it's gone to nm, texas
what you mean new mexico right | [20:24] | |
| m0unds | yes
nm is the 5th largest state in the us behind alaska, texas, california and montana | [20:24] | |
| mercutio | @conv 1436km to miles
hmm maybe that doesn't work | [20:24] | |
| m0unds | 892.3 mi | [20:25] | |
| mercutio | actually using a different city, it's the same distance as invercargill to auclkand
basically | [20:25] | |
| m0unds | .89 x distance the Proclaimers would walk, just to be the man that walks a thousand miles to fall down at your door
lol | [20:25] | |
| mercutio | i was using dunedin before
dunedin is more of a major city than invercargill | [20:25] | |
| m0unds | i think that's around the distance from where i live to LA
actually no oh, that's direct 789 mi | [20:33] | |
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| Kysade | hey anyone here? | [22:41] | |
| kellytk | Hi | [22:41] | |
| Kysade | I have a subdomain question for a vps, i understand how to add a sub domain with host file and apache, i dont understand how to make it any port other then one port at a time
i have tried using * for the port in the vhost file but it didnt work, i am using one sub domain to host a website on port 80, a game on port 25565 and an irc channel on 6676 6680 and 8070 | [22:43] | |
| milki | Kysade: this is an apache webserver question. try #httpd | [22:49] | |
| Kysade | thank you | [22:50] | |
| milki | Kysade: https://wiki.apache.org/httpd/IRC
that page is confusing | [22:50] | |
| Kysade | noone is on their ill ask in like windows forums or something
thanks for helping tho milki | [22:51] | |
| milki | apache configuration is hard | [22:59] | |
| kellytk | Kysade: I can recommend nginx if you're interested in an alternative to Apache | [23:01] | |
| milki | milki nods | [23:02] | |
| Kysade | ill look into it, thanks
configuration file doesnt even need a port set in nginx, i should convert that seems much easier | [23:02] | |
| kellytk | Is anyone automating their FreeBSD installs? | [23:04] | |
| milki | Kysade has seen the light! | [23:06] | |
| Kysade | that was so much easier, everything is working just fine | [23:15] | |
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| *** | Kysade has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) | [23:33] | |
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