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| grody | mercutio, i suspect thats what it is
less loss / jitter have a clean, straight route to ARP | [04:07] |
| mercutio | I used to care about that stuff a lot more.
It gets OCD'ish though. Now I've widened my tolerance. | [04:08] |
| grody | it only niggled me as i wanted to play some old irc buddies on tekken | [04:08] |
| mercutio | grody: do you ssh remotely? | [04:08] |
| grody | yea | [04:08] |
| mercutio | like a long distance
try out my ssh in-band latency test :) https://weallsee.net/cl | [04:08] |
| grody | hmm | [04:09] |
| mercutio | oh and cloudflare's performance is starting to erk me :)
or cl.c for source that's 64 bit linux binary | [04:09] |
| grody | longest SSH is me to here, here to Aus
thats painful | [04:09] |
| mercutio | do it on a medium one :)
Yeah, UK from NZ can be painful And Australia is slightly further away than NZ from UK | [04:09] |
| grody | like being on ssh on 28k
and im torrenting too | [04:10] |
| mercutio | 28.8k i lower latency.
is do you have a close box to ssh to you can do dbclient user@host1,user@host2 helps a lot so if you have loss between host1 and you it can resend over closer hop or loss between host1/host2 | [04:10] |
| grody | oh wow | [04:10] |
| mercutio | well worth trying to AU
it does a tcp port bounce | [04:10] |
| grody | dynamic ssh pipes | [04:11] |
| mercutio | so it's secure
ie you don't have to ssh from host1, and expose your key i think ssh -A is insecure (slightly) i'm not sure i want to figure that out | [04:11] |
| grody | i wonder if in 50 years, lag will be a thing of the past | [04:12] |
| mercutio | nope
speed of light and all that | [04:12] |
| grody | especially if quantum entanglement shows up promise | [04:13] |
| mercutio | UK <-> NZ is always going to suck
but there are ways to make lag not so bad. | [04:13] |
| grody | aye, but we could send data directly through earth, instead of up, down, up down, across | [04:13] |
| mercutio | which is what i'm interested in in a way
that's very very complicated atm i don't think it's likely to happen anytime soon there's also microwave to reduce latency too which is likely to start happening in parallel more i suspect i'd like inner city latency to decrease myself err i mean i wnat pings of < 1 msec instead of < 2 msec to neighbours etc. | [04:13] |
| grody | UKs inter-links to each other are most of the time pretty good | [04:15] |
| mercutio | i don't think local peering is good
it's a complicated problem though usually connections are terminated far away and even on gpon connections latency is often 1 msec so 1 msec + 1 msec for neighbour, plus if they're on different isp then the link between the two within the same city you may get 2.5 msec | [04:15] |
| grody | well.. i had a home @ office link on the same FTTC cab, however, they both had to go uptoward london and back before seeing each other
BT do allow a GEA access, where peering can be done on the same cab | [04:16] |
| mercutio | yeah that's what i mean
it doesn't necessarily peer locally | [04:16] |
| grody | so if my office and home were on the sae cab, they could peer directly via the cab and not over the internet | [04:16] |
| mercutio | people are stil;l used to aggregating circuits remotely etc
but again latency mitigation makes it matter much less | [04:16] |
| grody | mm | [04:17] |
| mercutio | cifs sucks with latency
like even 20 msec latency can hurt quite bad and 20 msec is what 1500 miles? maybe 3000 miles i dunno anyway atm if you can keep latency under 20 msec things are pretty good but really 60 msec should be able to work good too | [04:17] |
| grody | my friend down the road who i lan party with sometimes, we get 19-25 ms to each other | [04:18] |
| mercutio | down the road and 19-25msec? | [04:19] |
| grody | but with 16ms auto added from PPP - thats pretty impressive | [04:19] |
| mercutio | see that's not ideal
yeah it's more like 10 msec here 5 msec latency with vdsl | [04:19] |
| grody | 8 for me :( | [04:19] |
| mercutio | yeah | [04:19] |
| grody | but i usually get 9/10 to 8.8.8.8 etc | [04:19] |
| mercutio | but the US latency hurts more
i get 4.6 msec to dns but google is in diff country so it's like 30 msec | [04:20] |
| grody | well, you have more people and more space to cover | [04:20] |
| mercutio | 29.3 to 8.8.8.8 | [04:20] |
| grody | ouch | [04:20] |
| mercutio | it's not that bad really
that's 2155 km or someting | [04:20] |
| grody | this is why i hate 3G - latency is almost always 60ms+ | [04:21] |
| mercutio | (auckland to sydney) | [04:21] |
| grody | HSPA/4G/LTE, i've seen them as low as 15 mind | [04:21] |
| mercutio | 8.8.8.8 in sydney gives terrible performance though | [04:21] |
| grody | DNS lookups on latency really kills a browsing experience | [04:21] |
| mercutio | yeah 3g latency sucks
yeh i used proxy when i did it regularly and did initcwnd with the 10 packets helped a lot but 3g sucks for other reasons too liek if you're downloading your latency will go sky high and the connection becomes useless for anything else | [04:21] |
| grody | hah yea | [04:22] |
| mercutio | but as long as you don't download it's ok | [04:22] |
| grody | think i use an L2TP from my HSPA access point | [04:23] |
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| http://imgur.com/fV972aK thats a mixed graph for an example - first chunk is good signal, but transferring (downlading arch via torrent), middle is idle whilst walking around town and latter is idle with strong signal
been using my ISPs wonderful graphing to prove to my mobile carrier their data network is shot to sh1t (those graphs are excellent examples of how it /should/ be) | [04:48] | |
| mercutio | they probably don't care :)
i dunno why arch encourages torrents i reckon http with close mirrors is good | [04:51] |
| grody | lol they don't - but i've had 3 months free service and had them taken to their ombudsman, got another month free (by their request) and £35 compo
i like torrents *shrug* | [04:53] |
| mercutio | wow | [04:53] |
| grody | least if the download breaks, it automatically resumes when network is back | [04:53] |
| mercutio | that so wouldn't happen here
same with wget -c | [04:53] |
| grody | :P
UK is very strict on how companies must treat their customers and have to live up to standards fail, they have to pay i was honestly hoping for a recinded contract - but will wait for the free months to end and drop the priceplan to bare minimum, they buy out go back to a better network | [04:54] |
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| mercutio | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/08/jeb-bush-crypto-makes-it-harder-for-the-american-government-to-do-its-job/ | [18:15] |
| BryceBot | Ars Technica: "Jeb Bush wants “a new arrangement with Silicon Valley” to ease crypto" | [18:15] |
| mercutio | I really can't see that working out well :) | [18:16] |
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