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[01:38] <mercutio> so edge is saying it's chrome now
[01:38] <mercutio> err ms edge
[01:39] <mercutio> "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/42.0.2311.135 Safari/537.36 Edge/12.10240"
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[07:21] <m0unds> edge says it's everything
[07:21] <m0unds> because google actively breaks msft browsers to prevent them from using the "high end" google services in the browser
[07:21] <m0unds> and by actively breaks, i mean they see the useragent and force downgrade regardless of whether it works or not
[07:22] <m0unds> microsoft had to spoof the useragent on windows phone for the same reason, google actively forced the shitty feature phone experience on every google property regardless of whether the browser performed well or not
[07:30] <m0unds> has anyone noticed packet loss on ipv6
[07:30] <m0unds> ?
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[07:30] <m0unds> oh, gross. my return path is via he
[07:30] <RandalSchwartz> we have "father time" on floss weekly in a half hour
[07:31] <RandalSchwartz> Harlan Stenn, the leader of the NTP project
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[09:23] <brycec> welcome back, RandalSchwartz, it's been awhile
[09:51] <qbit> :D
[09:56] <RandalSchwartz> yeah, 14 day cruise, so when I got dropped from IRC, I didn't bother to reconnect.
[09:57] <brycec> @date July 28, 2015
[09:57] <BryceBot> 3 weeks, 1 day, 9 hours, 55 minutes, 33 seconds ago. [Interpreted date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 00:00:00 -0700]
[09:58] <brycec> You've been gone for 3 weeks :P
[09:58] <RandalSchwartz> just about... that was as I was flying to europe, I think
[09:58] <brycec> BryceBot        The last thing RandalSchwartz said was on Jul 28, 2015 19:31:50, "back again."
[09:58] <brycec> I lol'd
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[11:22] <jbum> join #DataHoarder
[11:22] <jbum> (sorry :)
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[12:44] <brycec> Hey up_the_irons, quit slacking!
[12:44] <brycec> qbit wants his dedi
[12:44] <qbit> lol
[12:44] <qbit> <3
[12:44] <brycec> You ordered on Friday I think? Or Monday?
[12:45] <qbit> friday
[12:45] <brycec> qbit: got a confirmation email for your order too, right?
[12:46] <qbit> si
[12:46] <brycec> Tight, then you're solid, did everything etc.
[12:47] <qbit> toit
[12:47] <brycec> (I would feel bad if I'd called out up_the_irons and it was really your fault :P)
[12:47] <brycec> toit like a toiger
[12:49] <qbit> me too \o/
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[14:53] <gizmoguy> mercutio: could you add a host to your smokeping for me?
[14:55] <mercutio> gizmoguy: which smokeping?
[14:55] <mercutio> i have a few :)
[14:56] <mercutio> or multiple
[15:48] <mercutio> RandalSchwartz: freebsd 10.2 is out, are you going to update? :)
[16:03] <RandalSchwartz> does it have a later EOL?
[16:04] <mercutio> probably not
[16:04] <RandalSchwartz> then no
[16:04] <m0unds> than which?
[16:04] <mercutio> oh than 8.4 probably
[16:04] <RandalSchwartz> than 9.x
[16:04] <RandalSchwartz> 8.4 is eol this month
[16:04] <RandalSchwartz> or maybe next
[16:04] <mercutio> than 9.x probably :)
[16:04] <m0unds> EOL is the same as 9.3
[16:04] <mercutio> eol dev 31 2016
[16:04] <mercutio> oh it is
[16:04] <m0unds> 10.2 eol 12/31/2016, same as 9.x
[16:04] <mercutio> why are all the eol's the same now?
[16:04] <m0unds> magic
[16:05] <mercutio> ahh because 9.3 and 10.1 are extended
[16:06] <mercutio> it doesn't liste 8.4 on here
[16:06] <mercutio> aug 1 2015
[16:06] <mercutio> apparently
[16:06] <mercutio> so yeah it's already eol apparently
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[18:40] <up_the_irons> brycec: qbit: sorry dedi setups have been a bit slow lately . I'm still in slack mode from my trip to Germany. it's bad I know. ;)
[18:40] * jpalmer teaches up_the_irons abot PXE and ansible
[18:41] <gizmoguy> i'm all about iPXE+foreman+puppet here
[18:41] <brycec> SCHNELL!
[18:41] <up_the_irons> "schneller" ;)
[18:42] <jpalmer> gizmoguy: yeah, I used foreman+puppet for 5 years.  loved it.
[18:42] <up_the_irons> It's not really that, more like physical building, updating ipmi users, etc...
[18:43] <jpalmer> puppet is one of the few certifications I took the time to go get.. at one of the puppet conferences.
[18:43] <brycec> up_the_irons: Whatever, all the German I needed to know, I learned on Hogan's Heroes.
[18:45] <jpalmer> gizmoguy: I still really like puppet.  but the new job has no config management,  and the old timers don't generally like the idea of 'all eggs in one basket'  so..  since I haven't gotten buy-in yet, I've been using ansible.  I don't have to worry about a central server, or an agent..  so I can use it, and they never know.
[18:45] <gizmoguy> yeah I'd like to deploy some ansible with puppet
[18:45] <jpalmer> my plan is,  when I have a solid number of playbooks and roles defined,  show them how I've been getting stuff done.
[18:46] <gizmoguy> make my patch deployment a little easier
[18:46] <jpalmer> see,  I went the other way with it.   I used ansible to deploy the puppet agent on hosts that were provisioned before the old company started using puppet :P
[18:46] * brycec <3 Ansible
[18:47] <jpalmer> I used puppet for 5 years,  ansible for about 3 weeks now.  and I have to say, they are both pretty solid.
[18:47] <jpalmer> i DO like the agentless aspect of ansible.
[18:48] <brycec> Same
[18:49] <jpalmer> however, I wish there were some instrumentation and audit trails,  like foreman brings to puppet. :)
[18:50] <jpalmer> the closest I've found to 'instrumentation' for ansible,  is ansible-cmdb.  which when compared to foremans offering...   pfft.
[18:50] <jpalmer> hehe
[19:11] <mercutio> jpalmer: does that kind of strategy work?
[19:12] <mercutio> a lot of "old timers" are quite opposed to ways to make things more efficient / improve work processes etc
[19:13] <mercutio> i never got the whole thing of using guis to configure things myself
[19:14] <mercutio> but some gui people say command line is convoluted.
[19:14] <mercutio> actually powershell is quite hard to understand.
[19:21] * brycec finds PSH to be no more complex or convoluted than any other shell
[19:24] <jpalmer> mercutio: that strategy is how I convinced the old place we needed puppet.  I did it as a skunkworks project.  then people saw how useful it was.
[19:25] <jpalmer> mercutio: by old timers,  I mean,  people that have been there for a while,  and have gotten used to the pain.  so they don't necessarily see it as being a problem.   wheras I'm coming in with a fresh pair of eyes, and see immediate places that can be improved.   managing thousands of hosts with a bash ssh loop..  is painful.
[19:25] <mercutio> oh right
[19:26] <mercutio> yeah when you say old timers, i think people who are opposed to new things.
[19:26] <mercutio> the resistant to change type
[19:26] <jpalmer> not "stuck in their ways" oldtimers,  but..   "I've dealt with it so long, it doesn't bother me anymore" oldtimers.
[19:26] <mercutio> yeah
[19:26] <mercutio> yeah thousands of hosts and things are bit different than 10s of hosts
[19:26] <jpalmer> indeed
[19:27] <jpalmer> especially, when a couple years ago, they decided to switch their OS.  from centos to debian.  so now they have to put a ton of "if os = debian do this,  if os = redhat do that" login in their bash scripts. :P
[19:27] <mercutio> hah
[19:27] <jpalmer> s/login/logic/
[19:27] <BryceBot> <jpalmer> especially, when a couple years ago, they decided to switch their OS.  from centos to debian.  so now they have to put a ton of "if os = debian do this,  if os = redhat do that" logic in their bash scripts. :P
[19:29] <jpalmer> with ansible,  you're essentially doing the same logic.  it's just a ton easier.     I add a "when" clause to the task.     when: ansible_distribution = 'Redhat'      if it's not redhat, it'll just skip that task  (btw, that is a trick I literally just learned)
[19:31] <mercutio> so how's everyone finding systemd?
[19:31] * jpalmer decides to avoid that.. topic :P
[19:31] <mercutio> well centos and debian are both shifting to it :)
[19:31] <mercutio> and ubuntu, and arch
[19:32] <mike-burns> But not the BSDs!
[19:33] <mercutio> bsd's are moving to sysvinit :)
[19:33] <mercutio> they're a bit behind
[19:34] <brycec> s/behind/right/
[19:34] <BryceBot> <mercutio> they're a bit right
[19:35] <mercutio> openbsd is unlocking their network stack finally.
[19:35] <mike-burns> It's been an impressive series of diffs.
[19:36] <mercutio> yeah i've been following it a little
[19:36] <mercutio> i really should try doing this 10gbe card port to openbsd
[19:36] <mercutio> i want to know how fast it can go
[19:36] <mercutio> but that was the main thing that bugged me about openbsd as firewall
[19:37] <mercutio> there's also work to improve route lookup performance i think
[21:49] <mnathani_> @weather yyz
[21:49] <BryceBot> Toronto-Pearson International, Ontario: Overcast ☁ 73°F (23°C), Humidity: 88%, Wind: From the SSE at 9 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=43.67722321,-79.63055420 or re-request this with: @weather -v yyz
[22:15] <mnathani_> anyone have a suggestion for some windows software to manage contact info and other details for a school - so primarily student information?
[22:16] <mercutio> don't you have something guiding that tells you what to use?
[23:01] <mnathani_> my first thought was microsoft access - but that can get complicated for inexperienced users
[23:31] <mercutio> there was an old dos one i can't remember the name of
[23:31] <mercutio> directaccess?
[23:32] <mercutio> i dunno that randomly came to my head
[23:32] <mercutio> nope that looks like something different
[23:32] <mercutio> the old dos stuff used to use dbase normally