[00:22] Can anyone recommend PositiveSSL? [00:59] I made the purchase, so I'll share my experience in a month or so when I've got some use out of it [01:13] kellytk: how much was it and was it a wildcard cert? [01:14] be sure to test your site once the cert has been installed: https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html [01:16] It was ~$3 for the first year. Thank you for the link mnathani_ [01:26] Would it be appropriate to use DNS for pointing foo.net to foo.com? [01:26] The alternative is an HTTP redirect [02:00] kellytk: try h2o web server [02:00] it's got http/2 support [02:01] I'm familiar with nginx, however h20 is quite interesting. I read your discussion about it the other night. Have you tried it yet mercutio? [02:04] yes. [02:04] Initial impressions? [02:04] http/2 isn't really any faster than http [02:04] slightly slower even :/ [02:04] but it's http performance is nice, and http/2 is fine speed [02:04] That didn't surprise me unfortunately [02:04] i don't use ssl normally. [02:04] but usually https is a bit slower than http [02:05] It'll be interesting to find out if this CA offers h2o support [02:05] CA? [02:05] PositiveSSL [02:05] you just use your normal cert [02:05] they're all the same :/ [02:05] I was looking at the set up page, and it offered a drop down with various webservers in it. Do you know what was being communicated with that? [02:06] yeah it's just whether it has separate file for chain etc [02:06] just stick the chain file in the same file as the cert, and stick the key in separate file and you're sweet [02:06] there's no ubuntu package yet though :( [02:08] http://www.freshports.org/www/h2o/ [02:08] What's most attractive to me about h2o is that it's suitable as a static library, which will come in handy even if I don't run it on the server [02:13] mercutio: http://www.it-wars.com/web-performance-H2O-vs-nginx/ [02:14] It's too bad there isn't a freenode channel for it [02:15] & https://calomel.org/h2o.html [02:16] Built-in support for libressl which I like [02:19] mercutio: Are you familiar with http://cherokee-project.com/ and https://www.hiawatha-webserver.org/? [02:20] nope [02:23] Interesting as well [02:23] *** mnathani_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [02:23] *** mnathani_ has joined #arpnetworks [02:34] 5.0.x is poor for battery, 5.1.x is considerably better - but kitkat had the best life on the same device [02:34] i still prefer my gingerbread phone.. it's the only one that doesn't bugger up all of the time [02:35] 4 days battery life, a week if i dont get too many calls or texts [02:35] zte blade ii - the nokia 1100 of smartphones [02:38] there's nokia 3310s on ebay for $25 US incl shipping [02:38] free intl shipping [02:38] they're from china [02:40] only problem i have with this zte in fact, it's wireless is bg [02:41] and i disabled legacy a while ago - had to run a seperate AP for it (use it as a VoIP phone) [02:41] 5 years ive had that thing.. not a single bloody issue (other than now very few google apps run on it) [02:42] Keyyo still works thank goodness [02:43] 3310s, they the ones with the zapper on the top? [02:45] ahh no, the next one up from the 5110 [02:45] those things could manage a 10 min call when the battery has been bleeping feed me for hours [02:47] my phone got down to 11% charge today [02:47] i think i'm more concerned about my battery running flat than i used to be, and it's easier for it to get flast [02:48] i kind of wish they'd just shift to two batteries [02:48] so you can charge one battery and use the other [02:48] and have hot swappable or something [02:49] carry a battery pack with you [02:49] i play Ingress an awful lot and can get about 3/4 hours of constant use before charge [02:49] phone will normally live about 2 days from normal use [02:50] well, a day and a half at a push to be totally honest [02:51] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12000mAh-Portable-External-Power-Bank-USB-Pack-Battery-Charger-For-IPhone-Mobile-/191306698835?hash=item2c8ac49053 [02:52] missus and i got one of they each [02:52] benefit of 1A and 2A output [02:52] Can anyone recommend a good quality small UPS to keep a Mac mini running for long enough to gracefully shut down? [03:44] * grody uses a small 150W inverter and 15A/hr lead acid battery [03:44] but i do have a couple of APC BE400's that are good for low power/gracefuls [03:44] quite cheap too [04:14] grody: I have an Orange San Francisco branded ZTE Blade (not a II). It's my backup phone now and gets good battery life: https://www.flickr.com/photos/plett/8397524721/ [04:18] plett, yea, you can softmod them to the gen2 [04:18] one i have :) [04:18] ahh, blade I gen1 and gen2 sorry, not blade ii [04:18] Ahh, yes. Mine is already a gen2 blade I [04:19] (it /slightly/ improves wifi reliability) [04:19] With the OLED screen [04:19] nice [04:20] i also have the zte kis3 - nice also, but those blades are pure awesome [04:20] gotta ♥ these budget consumer companies - for the price you sure get your moneys worth [04:25] oh ffs - im starting to hate my card company now [04:25] yet again blocking overseas transactions [04:42] *** NiTe has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [05:27] *** NiTe has joined #arpnetworks [05:50] *** NiTe has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [06:30] *** NiTe has joined #arpnetworks [07:43] *** neish_ has joined #arpnetworks [07:44] *** KDE_Perry has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [07:44] *** neish has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [07:48] *** KDE_Perry has joined #arpnetworks [07:52] *** dj_goku_ has joined #arpnetworks [07:52] *** dj_goku_ has quit IRC (Changing host) [07:52] *** dj_goku_ has joined #arpnetworks [08:02] *** dj_goku has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [08:02] *** Seji has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [08:02] *** Seji has joined #arpnetworks [08:38] *** NiTe has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [08:41] *** NiTe has joined #arpnetworks [10:28] *** Hien has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [10:28] *** Hien has joined #arpnetworks [11:03] *** Hien has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [11:03] *** Hien has joined #arpnetworks [12:45] *** methamp has joined #arpnetworks [12:52] *** neish_ is now known as neish [13:57] *** joepie91- has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [13:58] *** Hien has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [14:00] *** Hien has joined #arpnetworks [14:10] *** joepie91_ has joined #arpnetworks [15:50] Netsplits for all. [15:58] Well, not all. Just 4 people it looks like [15:59] 0 in another 100+ user channel for that matter :P [15:59] yaeh actually some of these were more than once [15:59] it was a "whole page" to me [16:05] it's a big wall of text, but it spans 11 hours. Just been a quiet day in #arpnetworks [16:09] SHHHH [16:12] m0unds: MERCUTIO STARTED IT [16:13] DON'T MAKE ME SIT YOU IN A CORNER, brycec [16:13] but... I'm already sitting in a corner [16:13] GOOD [16:13] still smoky up there? [16:14] Yup, though it just looks white/hazy. [16:14] i'm only just starting to realise how bad china's air pollution is [16:15] i thought it was just "pretty bad" [16:15] but it sounds like it's really really really extreme [16:15] like significant amounts of death from it etc [16:15] yeah, it can kill people [16:15] It's mind boggling [16:15] and there i go being irate when the neighbours fireplace makes outside smell smokey. [16:16] haha [16:16] at least you won't get smoke year around i suppose [16:16] my last city was more polluted, and i notice the difference here. [16:17] but to really notice you have to leave the source... for contrast. [16:17] https://www.facebook.com/KXLY4News/photos/a.239235182765429.59897.237861902902757/976811552341118/?type=1 [16:17] if you're in it, it'll just seem normal [16:17] * brycec coughs a bit [16:17] Having lived in Phoenix, Arizona, and been to Los Angeles many times, the smog is very noticeable.' [16:17] yuck [16:18] yeah, LA's is pretty wacky [16:18] LA is worse? [16:18] LA has lots more vehicles and people [16:18] ahh [16:18] here winter's way way worse than summer [16:18] a lot of pollution comes from fire places... [16:19] according to der wikipedia, LA metro has 13 million people and PHX has 4.4m [16:19] and so LA having warm weather i figure that wouldn't be the case. [16:19] m0unds: isn't LA metro area huge though? [16:19] sure is [16:19] still 13 million people is a lot [16:20] and high amount of car ownership [16:20] actually yeah, main roads can have more pollution too [16:20] i kind of wonder what they're considering the phx metro [16:20] it depends how far it goes. [16:21] because it says the city itself is 1341.48km2 [16:21] mercutio: LA is nowhere near as bad as what I've seen from China. But it is pretty bad. [16:21] but they say the metro is 37,725km2 [16:21] averages can be hard to get realistic pollution numbers from too [16:21] i know it sprawls a bit, but that seems goofy [16:21] haha [16:21] m0unds: I know what they're saying is metro, but I can't really put it into words :P But there are maps. [16:21] like industrial areas tend to have higher pollution, but as long as you don't live by them.. [16:21] PHX is *big* [16:21] yeah, i know [16:22] been there lots, it's sprawly as hell [16:22] * brycec lived there lots, agrees and confirms [16:23] hmm urban area here is only 559.2 km2 [16:23] 37,725km2 seems a hell of al ot [16:23] they don't list metro area [16:23] they do list metro polution, but i live within urban boundaries anyway. [16:23] lol, okay i see why it's so big [16:24] just found a breakdown of what constitutes the metro [16:24] oh, can't forget top-of-the-world, arizona [16:24] hmm phoenix doesn't list urban area [16:25] m0unds: link for the class? [16:25] but even the city area is bigger than urban area here by far :/ [16:25] ah crap, hang on [16:30] http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=phoenix%2C+az+metro+area guess it helps if i hit enter [16:30] the "cities" part includes 51 distinct towns and cities that make up the metro area [16:31] wikipedia suggested that phoenix was made up of heaps of mini village / towns [16:31] it's including stuff 75mi away within the metro, which seems odd [16:31] yeah, it is [16:32] well you both know the place and i don't [16:32] but does it have a central city type area too? [16:32] it's all city [16:32] just mile after mile of it [16:32] oh [16:32] Like LA. [16:33] yeh i never been there [16:33] it's always around one wilshire on tv :/ [16:33] i just noticed it one day haha [16:34] but it always seems to be that general area [16:34] This is what I'd consider to be the Phoenix area http://www.phxazpools.com/wp-content/uploads/phoenix-az-pools-about-us-page-phoenix-metro-service-area.jpg sadly, no scale on that [16:35] Maybe http://85251scottsdale.com/images/Scottsdale%20metroMap.jpg is helpful [16:36] yeah, that's what i would have thought - they're including stuff way off in each direction per census.gov stuff [16:36] it's strange [16:36] http://northphoenixazhomes.com/images/phoenix-metro-zipcode-zones-map-small.jpg is a bit cluttered but that's basically the metro area, and has a tiny scale [16:37] * brycec stops wasting time [16:37] http://www.maps4u.com/ [16:37] 4me? [16:37] lol [16:37] i saw it said "wide world of maps" on that northphxazhomes thing [16:37] that was the first link when i searched for it, haha [16:38] * brycec is actually familiar with that map shop [16:38] dat SEO [16:38] They did all the maps for Pizza Huts in AZ [16:38] their old site with only partial functionality is referenced before their store stie [16:38] site [16:38] For the delivery drivers, there's a big map on the wall showing the delivery area, streets, etc [16:38] ah [16:39] worked at pizza hut for 3 months in high school [16:41] guessi should go finish up in the garage [16:41] Yes you should. Soon enough, Phoenix will be knocking at your door! [16:44] http://www.arizona-leisure.com/gfx/maps/valley-sun-map-760.gif is the best map I've seen for the metro area, showing cities and scales. [17:01] *** daca1 is now known as daca [17:01] phoenix can have gallup and grants, nm if they want it [17:15] google are doing a new router with gentoo linux [17:15] wtf [17:15] OnHub often updates its router software with newly released features without interrupting your connection. [17:16] so the google stack probably sucks. but the hardware should be able to be repurposed [17:17] it has 6x2.4ghz + 6x5ghz attennas, plus an aux [17:18] err antenna [17:23] hw oem is tp-link [17:31] that's fine by me [17:32] tp-links mostly have software issues these days [17:32] they use cheap power supplies, but you can always find replacements [17:32] it's atheros switch chip [17:32] so probably atheros wireless [17:32] which seems fine [17:33] (says qca, but that's qualcomm atheros, i still consider it atheros, with some branding stuck on top) [17:33] right [17:34] will have to see if you can root them when they come out i suppose [18:11] Ew, nobody wants Gallup. 16:59:07 m0unds | phoenix can have gallup and grants, nm if they want it [18:12] fwiw, I haven't found an authoritative source on their use of Gentoo [18:13] Just some Phoronix post without any references. [18:20] ahh yeh phoronix was my source [18:22] Consider everything you've ever said now discredited :P [18:22] well at least it has nand [18:24] And NOR. [18:24] :P [18:26] As a side note, OnHub is using the same SOC as the Netgear R7500. [18:27] ahh is the 7500 good? [18:27] i'd like faster cpus in routers [18:27] so that they can do gigabit easily with tcp interception [18:27] (I have no idea, already closed the tab :P) [18:27] 802.15.4 in a home router. me want [18:28] hardware nat shouldn't be necessary for gigabit [18:28] gizmoguy: there are already home routers with Zigbee in them :P [18:28] but why not [18:28] brycec: go on? [18:28] @google Almond+ [18:28] 4,110 total results returned for 'Almond+', here's 3 [18:28] Almond+ (http://www.securifi.com/almondplus) It is more than a router. It's a communication hub, which is great for a connected home. Techcrunch. Almond+ lets you control things like security alerts, heating ... [18:28] Amazon.com: Securifi Almond+ : (3 Minute Setup) Long Range ... (http://www.amazon.com/Securifi-Almond-Touchscreen-Wireless-Automation/dp/B00R0C2U5E) Amazon.com: Securifi Almond+ : (3 Minute Setup) Long Range Touchscreen Wireless AC Router / Range Extender + Home Automation Hub: Computers ... [18:28] Almond+ (http://forum.securifi.com/index.php?board=4.0) Almond+ cannot communicate with sensors after power failure. Started by Eduard. 5 Replies 196 Views, Last post August 11, 2015, 07:49:59 PM by Ashok. [18:29] ^ My 802.11AC AP [18:29] that's more expensive than the OnHub [18:29] On the other hand, it exists :P [18:29] true [18:29] And has for a little while now [18:30] really I should probably just add an 802.15.4 radio to my rasp pi [18:30] (Though I wouldn't necessarily recommend it for most.) [18:30] @google raspbee [18:30] but linux 802.15.4 support isn't flash :( [18:30] 712 total results returned for 'raspbee', here's 3 [18:30] RaspBee (https://www.dresden-elektronik.de/funktechnik/solutions/wireless-light-control/raspbee/) RaspBee. Erweitert den Raspberry Pi um ZigBee-Funktionalität. Das Aufsatzmodul ermöglicht die direkte Kommunikation mit ZigBee PRO-Geräten wie ... [18:30] RaspBee premium (https://shop.dresden-elektronik.de/raspbee.html?___store=english) RaspBee premium. SKU: BN-600052. €48.14 excl. Sales Tax and shipping. - prices for higher quantities on request -. Buy 5 pieces for €46.99 each excl. [18:30] RaspBee (https://www.dresden-elektronik.de/funktechnik/products/boards-and-kits/development-boards/raspbee/?L=1) RaspBee. With RaspBee dresden elektronik is bringing an add-on for the popular Raspberry Pi Single Board Computer onto the market. This add-on module ... [18:30] :D [18:31] at work we're using TI CC2538s [18:31] with a custom stack on top for doing low power 802.15.4 [18:33] brycec: damn it. i was hopeful maybe people from AZ were unaware of how bad it is [18:33] m0unds: Driven through it ;) [18:33] hahah [18:33] that's all it takes [18:33] Exactly. [18:34] at least grants has caves and lava tubes [19:05] FYI, $1 (first year) .xyz domains https://www.namecheap.com/domains/registration/gtld/xyz.aspx [19:05] abc.xyz is taken already though [19:05] no good domain names left [19:05] As is uvw.xyz [19:06] I grabbed brycec.xyz [19:06] because why nto [19:06] *not [19:06] And because I already have brycec.ninja (for $1) [19:07] yer a ninja [19:08] do you guys remember whwen there was that "rock star sysadmin" thing going around [19:08] as if people working IT didn't generally have big egos [19:09] i am a rock*. plz pay me [19:09] no [19:10] Hm. Haven't had slow DNS propagation in aaages... [19:10] maybe it was rock star programmers. [19:10] brogrammers [19:10] haha [19:11] i still find it weird when you have some programmer that's really hard to work with in programming, but fine socially [19:11] (That took like 20 minutes! #FirstWorldProblems) [19:11] programming brings out so many quirks/ideologies [19:12] brycec: yeh i usually only see slow dns if shifting authorative name servers [19:12] some people still set dns records to 86400 for domain names [19:12] but most people seem to go with 3600/10800 [19:12] I know I do. but if I'm moving, I'll drop it all to 300 or similar a week before :P [19:12] and non-significant amounts go for shorter. [19:13] set ur ttls to 0 [19:13] brycec: if i'm shifting i'll set it to 30 or 60 :) [19:13] gizmoguy: what does that do? [19:13] that's what a rockstar sysadmin would do [19:13] no caching [19:13] i doubt it'd do no caching [19:13] might make some things cache it forever :) [19:13] shall we try it [19:13] mercutio: depends if I have to work through someone's GUI :P (what the minimum TTL I can set is) [19:14] brycec: yeah cloudflare don't go lower than 1800 i think [19:14] cloudflare doesn't let you set ttls do they? [19:14] oh [19:14] But this is specifically registration of a domain, not moving. So I have/had to way for *.nic.xyz to receive brycec.xyz [19:14] i thought they defaulted to 5 mins or something [19:14] maybe auto sets it to 180 [19:14] err 1800 [19:14] m0unds: 5 minutes sounds preferable :) [19:14] that's 30 minutes [19:14] dig notcached.wand.nz +short [19:15] it looks up in 0 msec [19:15] err 4 msec [19:15] i'm awtching tcpdump to see how many queries I get [19:15] this is difficult [19:15] i'll tcpdump my out [19:16] yip nothing going out [19:16] so dnsmasq is caching it [19:16] oh hangon [19:16] i was missing a d [19:17] unbound seems to cache it too [19:17] i get 5 minute ttl [19:18] linode [19:18] tut tut [19:18] ns2.wand.net.nz is on linode [19:19] ok cloudflare lets you set 2 minutes for ttl [19:20] tut tut? [19:20] well it's at fremont he.net [19:20] which is kind of unstable [19:20] oh, only if you don't use their cdn [19:21] if you're just using them for dns you can configure ttl [19:21] m0unds: i'm using their cdn i just have other records too [19:21] i have test.weallsee.net [19:21] right, i meant per-record [19:21] if i try to set the ttl for a record on the cdn, it says it's managed by them [19:21] oh right yeeah [19:21] if i set it on a record that isn't on cdn (mx or whatever) it lets me [19:22] i see 5 minutes normally [19:22] cloudflare's ui has changed [19:22] yea, that's what i got when i queried [19:22] mercutio: it's just a linode VM [19:25] gizmoguy: did that sdn switch get enough funding? [19:26] yip [19:26] i've got one on the way [19:26] sweet [19:26] which one was it? [19:26] m0unds: 100 megabit [19:27] which sdn switch, sorry [19:27] mfgr or project or whatever [19:27] some cheap one, gizmo probably has link around [19:27] https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/northboundnetworks/zodiac-fx-the-worlds-smallest-openflow-sdn-switch [19:27] was it this one? [19:27] google found it [19:28] wow it was close [19:28] it's the 100 megabit thing that irks me most [19:28] neat [19:32] but with successful 100 megabit maybe they'll do gigabit [19:34] he has plans for a gig model [19:35] Yep, it's covered by the FAQ. tl;dr keeping it cheap. [19:43] i wonder if this 2.5 gigabit ethernet has made any progress yet [19:44] 1.9 gbit 802.11ac is probably close to gigabit's limit [19:44] can probably max out gigabit ethernet actually if it's decent [19:46] damnit, 1.9 is hard to search for with will all these broadcom routers that do 600 megabit 2.4 [20:31] anyone have experience with these data centers in Frankfurt: Telehouse, Zenium, Interxion [20:33] woot :) [20:35] http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1160068 [20:35] maybe information on there [20:36] although people seem to be recommending hetzner on there [20:36] and one guy suggests first-colo