#arpnetworks 2015-08-18,Tue

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kellytkCan anyone recommend PositiveSSL? [00:22]
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I made the purchase, so I'll share my experience in a month or so when I've got some use out of it [00:59]
mnathani_kellytk: how much was it and was it a wildcard cert?
be sure to test your site once the cert has been installed: https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html
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kellytkIt was ~$3 for the first year. Thank you for the link mnathani_ [01:16]
Would it be appropriate to use DNS for pointing foo.net to foo.com?
The alternative is an HTTP redirect
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mercutiokellytk: try h2o web server
it's got http/2 support
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kellytkI'm familiar with nginx, however h20 is quite interesting. I read your discussion about it the other night. Have you tried it yet mercutio? [02:01]
mercutioyes. [02:04]
kellytkInitial impressions? [02:04]
mercutiohttp/2 isn't really any faster than http
slightly slower even :/
but it's http performance is nice, and http/2 is fine speed
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kellytkThat didn't surprise me unfortunately [02:04]
mercutioi don't use ssl normally.
but usually https is a bit slower than http
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kellytkIt'll be interesting to find out if this CA offers h2o support [02:05]
mercutioCA? [02:05]
kellytkPositiveSSL [02:05]
mercutioyou just use your normal cert
they're all the same :/
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kellytkI was looking at the set up page, and it offered a drop down with various webservers in it. Do you know what was being communicated with that? [02:05]
mercutioyeah it's just whether it has separate file for chain etc
just stick the chain file in the same file as the cert, and stick the key in separate file and you're sweet
there's no ubuntu package yet though :(
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kellytkhttp://www.freshports.org/www/h2o/
What's most attractive to me about h2o is that it's suitable as a static library, which will come in handy even if I don't run it on the server
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mercutio: http://www.it-wars.com/web-performance-H2O-vs-nginx/
It's too bad there isn't a freenode channel for it
& https://calomel.org/h2o.html
Built-in support for libressl which I like
mercutio: Are you familiar with http://cherokee-project.com/ and https://www.hiawatha-webserver.org/?
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mercutionope [02:20]
kellytkInteresting as well [02:23]
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grody5.0.x is poor for battery, 5.1.x is considerably better - but kitkat had the best life on the same device
i still prefer my gingerbread phone.. it's the only one that doesn't bugger up all of the time
4 days battery life, a week if i dont get too many calls or texts
zte blade ii - the nokia 1100 of smartphones
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mercutiothere's nokia 3310s on ebay for $25 US incl shipping
free intl shipping
they're from china
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grodyonly problem i have with this zte in fact, it's wireless is bg
and i disabled legacy a while ago - had to run a seperate AP for it (use it as a VoIP phone)
5 years ive had that thing.. not a single bloody issue (other than now very few google apps run on it)
Keyyo still works thank goodness
3310s, they the ones with the zapper on the top?
ahh no, the next one up from the 5110
those things could manage a 10 min call when the battery has been bleeping feed me for hours
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mercutiomy phone got down to 11% charge today
i think i'm more concerned about my battery running flat than i used to be, and it's easier for it to get flast
i kind of wish they'd just shift to two batteries
so you can charge one battery and use the other
and have hot swappable or something
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grodycarry a battery pack with you
i play Ingress an awful lot and can get about 3/4 hours of constant use before charge
phone will normally live about 2 days from normal use
well, a day and a half at a push to be totally honest
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12000mAh-Portable-External-Power-Bank-USB-Pack-Battery-Charger-For-IPhone-Mobile-/191306698835?hash=item2c8ac49053
missus and i got one of they each
benefit of 1A and 2A output
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kellytkCan anyone recommend a good quality small UPS to keep a Mac mini running for long enough to gracefully shut down? [02:52]
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grodygrody uses a small 150W inverter and 15A/hr lead acid battery
but i do have a couple of APC BE400's that are good for low power/gracefuls
quite cheap too
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plettgrody: I have an Orange San Francisco branded ZTE Blade (not a II). It's my backup phone now and gets good battery life: https://www.flickr.com/photos/plett/8397524721/ [04:14]
grodyplett, yea, you can softmod them to the gen2
one i have :)
ahh, blade I gen1 and gen2 sorry, not blade ii
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plettAhh, yes. Mine is already a gen2 blade I [04:18]
grody(it /slightly/ improves wifi reliability) [04:19]
plettWith the OLED screen [04:19]
grodynice
i also have the zte kis3 - nice also, but those blades are pure awesome
gotta ♥ these budget consumer companies - for the price you sure get your moneys worth
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oh ffs - im starting to hate my card company now
yet again blocking overseas transactions
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mercutioNetsplits for all. [15:50]
brycecWell, not all. Just 4 people it looks like
0 in another 100+ user channel for that matter :P
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mercutioyaeh actually some of these were more than once
it was a "whole page" to me
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brycecit's a big wall of text, but it spans 11 hours. Just been a quiet day in #arpnetworks [16:05]
m0undsSHHHH [16:09]
brycecm0unds: MERCUTIO STARTED IT [16:12]
m0undsDON'T MAKE ME SIT YOU IN A CORNER, brycec [16:13]
brycecbut... I'm already sitting in a corner [16:13]
m0undsGOOD
still smoky up there?
[16:13]
brycecYup, though it just looks white/hazy. [16:14]
mercutioi'm only just starting to realise how bad china's air pollution is
i thought it was just "pretty bad"
but it sounds like it's really really really extreme
like significant amounts of death from it etc
[16:14]
m0undsyeah, it can kill people [16:15]
brycecIt's mind boggling [16:15]
mercutioand there i go being irate when the neighbours fireplace makes outside smell smokey. [16:15]
m0undshaha [16:16]
mercutioat least you won't get smoke year around i suppose
my last city was more polluted, and i notice the difference here.
but to really notice you have to leave the source... for contrast.
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brycechttps://www.facebook.com/KXLY4News/photos/a.239235182765429.59897.237861902902757/976811552341118/?type=1 [16:17]
mercutioif you're in it, it'll just seem normal [16:17]
brycecbrycec coughs a bit
Having lived in Phoenix, Arizona, and been to Los Angeles many times, the smog is very noticeable.'
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m0undsyuck
yeah, LA's is pretty wacky
[16:17]
mercutioLA is worse? [16:18]
m0undsLA has lots more vehicles and people [16:18]
mercutioahh
here winter's way way worse than summer
a lot of pollution comes from fire places...
[16:18]
m0undsaccording to der wikipedia, LA metro has 13 million people and PHX has 4.4m [16:19]
mercutioand so LA having warm weather i figure that wouldn't be the case.
m0unds: isn't LA metro area huge though?
[16:19]
m0undssure is [16:19]
mercutiostill 13 million people is a lot
and high amount of car ownership
actually yeah, main roads can have more pollution too
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m0undsi kind of wonder what they're considering the phx metro [16:20]
mercutioit depends how far it goes. [16:20]
m0undsbecause it says the city itself is 1341.48km2 [16:21]
brycecmercutio: LA is nowhere near as bad as what I've seen from China. But it is pretty bad. [16:21]
m0undsbut they say the metro is 37,725km2 [16:21]
mercutioaverages can be hard to get realistic pollution numbers from too [16:21]
m0undsi know it sprawls a bit, but that seems goofy
haha
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brycecm0unds: I know what they're saying is metro, but I can't really put it into words :P But there are maps. [16:21]
mercutiolike industrial areas tend to have higher pollution, but as long as you don't live by them.. [16:21]
brycecPHX is *big* [16:21]
m0undsyeah, i know
been there lots, it's sprawly as hell
[16:21]
brycecbrycec lived there lots, agrees and confirms [16:22]
mercutiohmm urban area here is only 559.2 km2
37,725km2 seems a hell of al ot
they don't list metro area
they do list metro polution, but i live within urban boundaries anyway.
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m0undslol, okay i see why it's so big
just found a breakdown of what constitutes the metro
oh, can't forget top-of-the-world, arizona
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mercutiohmm phoenix doesn't list urban area [16:24]
brycecm0unds: link for the class? [16:25]
mercutiobut even the city area is bigger than urban area here by far :/ [16:25]
m0undsah crap, hang on [16:25]
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=phoenix%2C+az+metro+area guess it helps if i hit enter
the "cities" part includes 51 distinct towns and cities that make up the metro area
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mercutiowikipedia suggested that phoenix was made up of heaps of mini village / towns [16:31]
m0undsit's including stuff 75mi away within the metro, which seems odd
yeah, it is
[16:31]
mercutiowell you both know the place and i don't
but does it have a central city type area too?
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brycecit's all city
just mile after mile of it
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mercutiooh [16:32]
brycecLike LA. [16:32]
mercutioyeh i never been there
it's always around one wilshire on tv :/
i just noticed it one day haha
but it always seems to be that general area
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brycecThis is what I'd consider to be the Phoenix area http://www.phxazpools.com/wp-content/uploads/phoenix-az-pools-about-us-page-phoenix-metro-service-area.jpg sadly, no scale on that
Maybe http://85251scottsdale.com/images/Scottsdale%20metroMap.jpg is helpful
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m0undsyeah, that's what i would have thought - they're including stuff way off in each direction per census.gov stuff
it's strange
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brycechttp://northphoenixazhomes.com/images/phoenix-metro-zipcode-zones-map-small.jpg is a bit cluttered but that's basically the metro area, and has a tiny scale
brycec stops wasting time
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m0undshttp://www.maps4u.com/ [16:37]
brycec4me? [16:37]
m0undslol
i saw it said "wide world of maps" on that northphxazhomes thing
that was the first link when i searched for it, haha
[16:37]
brycecbrycec is actually familiar with that map shop [16:38]
m0undsdat SEO [16:38]
brycecThey did all the maps for Pizza Huts in AZ [16:38]
m0undstheir old site with only partial functionality is referenced before their store stie
site
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brycecFor the delivery drivers, there's a big map on the wall showing the delivery area, streets, etc [16:38]
m0undsah
worked at pizza hut for 3 months in high school
guessi should go finish up in the garage
[16:38]
brycecYes you should. Soon enough, Phoenix will be knocking at your door!
http://www.arizona-leisure.com/gfx/maps/valley-sun-map-760.gif is the best map I've seen for the metro area, showing cities and scales.
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m0undsphoenix can have gallup and grants, nm if they want it [17:01]
mercutiogoogle are doing a new router with gentoo linux
wtf
OnHub often updates its router software with newly released features without interrupting your connection.
so the google stack probably sucks. but the hardware should be able to be repurposed
it has 6x2.4ghz + 6x5ghz attennas, plus an aux
err antenna
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m0undshw oem is tp-link [17:23]
mercutiothat's fine by me
tp-links mostly have software issues these days
they use cheap power supplies, but you can always find replacements
it's atheros switch chip
so probably atheros wireless
which seems fine
(says qca, but that's qualcomm atheros, i still consider it atheros, with some branding stuck on top)
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m0undsright [17:33]
mercutiowill have to see if you can root them when they come out i suppose [17:34]
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brycecEw, nobody wants Gallup. 16:59:07 m0unds | phoenix can have gallup and grants, nm if they want it
fwiw, I haven't found an authoritative source on their use of Gentoo
Just some Phoronix post without any references.
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mercutioahh yeh phoronix was my source [18:20]
brycecConsider everything you've ever said now discredited :P [18:22]
mercutiowell at least it has nand [18:22]
brycecAnd NOR.
:P
As a side note, OnHub is using the same SOC as the Netgear R7500.
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mercutioahh is the 7500 good?
i'd like faster cpus in routers
so that they can do gigabit easily with tcp interception
[18:27]
brycec(I have no idea, already closed the tab :P) [18:27]
gizmoguy802.15.4 in a home router. me want [18:27]
mercutiohardware nat shouldn't be necessary for gigabit [18:28]
brycecgizmoguy: there are already home routers with Zigbee in them :P [18:28]
gizmoguybut why not
brycec: go on?
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brycec@google Almond+ [18:28]
BryceBot4,110 total results returned for 'Almond+', here's 3
Almond+ (http://www.securifi.com/almondplus) It is more than a router. It's a communication hub, which is great for a connected home. Techcrunch. Almond+ lets you control things like security alerts, heating ...

Amazon.com: Securifi Almond+ : (3 Minute Setup) Long Range ... (http://www.amazon.com/Securifi-Almond-Touchscreen-Wireless-Automation/dp/B00R0C2U5E) Amazon.com: Securifi Almond+ : (3 Minute Setup) Long Range Touchscreen Wireless AC Router / Range Extender + Home Automation Hub: Computers ...
Almond+ (http://forum.securifi.com/index.php?board=4.0) Almond+ cannot communicate with sensors after power failure. Started by Eduard. 5 Replies 196 Views, Last post August 11, 2015, 07:49:59 PM by Ashok.
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brycec^ My 802.11AC AP [18:29]
gizmoguythat's more expensive than the OnHub [18:29]
brycecOn the other hand, it exists :P [18:29]
gizmoguytrue [18:29]
brycecAnd has for a little while now [18:29]
gizmoguyreally I should probably just add an 802.15.4 radio to my rasp pi [18:30]
brycec(Though I wouldn't necessarily recommend it for most.)
@google raspbee
[18:30]
gizmoguybut linux 802.15.4 support isn't flash :( [18:30]
BryceBot712 total results returned for 'raspbee', here's 3
RaspBee (https://www.dresden-elektronik.de/funktechnik/solutions/wireless-light-control/raspbee/) RaspBee. Erweitert den Raspberry Pi um ZigBee-Funktionalität. Das Aufsatzmodul ermöglicht die direkte Kommunikation mit ZigBee PRO-Geräten wie ...
RaspBee premium (https://shop.dresden-elektronik.de/raspbee.html?___store=english) RaspBee premium. SKU: BN-600052. €48.14 excl. Sales Tax and shipping. - prices for higher quantities on request -. Buy 5 pieces for €46.99 each excl.
RaspBee (https://www.dresden-elektronik.de/funktechnik/products/boards-and-kits/development-boards/raspbee/?L=1) RaspBee. With RaspBee dresden elektronik is bringing an add-on for the popular Raspberry Pi Single Board Computer onto the market. This add-on module ...
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brycec:D [18:30]
gizmoguyat work we're using TI CC2538s
with a custom stack on top for doing low power 802.15.4
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m0undsbrycec: damn it. i was hopeful maybe people from AZ were unaware of how bad it is [18:33]
brycecm0unds: Driven through it ;) [18:33]
m0undshahah
that's all it takes
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brycecExactly. [18:33]
m0undsat least grants has caves and lava tubes [18:34]
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brycecFYI, $1 (first year) .xyz domains https://www.namecheap.com/domains/registration/gtld/xyz.aspx [19:05]
mercutioabc.xyz is taken already though
no good domain names left
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brycecAs is uvw.xyz
I grabbed brycec.xyz
because why nto
*not
And because I already have brycec.ninja (for $1)
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m0undsyer a ninja [19:07]
mercutiodo you guys remember whwen there was that "rock star sysadmin" thing going around
as if people working IT didn't generally have big egos
[19:08]
gizmoguyi am a rock*. plz pay me [19:09]
m0undsno [19:09]
brycecHm. Haven't had slow DNS propagation in aaages... [19:10]
mercutiomaybe it was rock star programmers. [19:10]
gizmoguybrogrammers [19:10]
mercutiohaha
i still find it weird when you have some programmer that's really hard to work with in programming, but fine socially
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brycec(That took like 20 minutes! #FirstWorldProblems) [19:11]
mercutioprogramming brings out so many quirks/ideologies
brycec: yeh i usually only see slow dns if shifting authorative name servers
some people still set dns records to 86400 for domain names
but most people seem to go with 3600/10800
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brycecI know I do. but if I'm moving, I'll drop it all to 300 or similar a week before :P [19:12]
mercutioand non-significant amounts go for shorter. [19:12]
gizmoguyset ur ttls to 0 [19:13]
mercutiobrycec: if i'm shifting i'll set it to 30 or 60 :)
gizmoguy: what does that do?
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gizmoguythat's what a rockstar sysadmin would do
no caching
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mercutioi doubt it'd do no caching
might make some things cache it forever :)
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gizmoguyshall we try it [19:13]
brycecmercutio: depends if I have to work through someone's GUI :P (what the minimum TTL I can set is) [19:13]
mercutiobrycec: yeah cloudflare don't go lower than 1800 i think [19:14]
m0undscloudflare doesn't let you set ttls do they? [19:14]
mercutiooh [19:14]
brycecBut this is specifically registration of a domain, not moving. So I have/had to way for *.nic.xyz to receive brycec.xyz [19:14]
m0undsi thought they defaulted to 5 mins or something [19:14]
mercutiomaybe auto sets it to 180
err 1800
m0unds: 5 minutes sounds preferable :)
that's 30 minutes
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gizmoguydig notcached.wand.nz +short [19:14]
mercutioit looks up in 0 msec
err 4 msec
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gizmoguyi'm awtching tcpdump to see how many queries I get
this is difficult
[19:15]
mercutioi'll tcpdump my out
yip nothing going out
so dnsmasq is caching it
oh hangon
i was missing a d
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gizmoguyunbound seems to cache it too [19:17]
mercutioi get 5 minute ttl
linode
tut tut
ns2.wand.net.nz is on linode
ok cloudflare lets you set 2 minutes for ttl
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gizmoguytut tut? [19:20]
mercutiowell it's at fremont he.net
which is kind of unstable
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m0undsoh, only if you don't use their cdn
if you're just using them for dns you can configure ttl
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mercutiom0unds: i'm using their cdn i just have other records too
i have test.weallsee.net
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m0undsright, i meant per-record
if i try to set the ttl for a record on the cdn, it says it's managed by them
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mercutiooh right yeeah [19:21]
m0undsif i set it on a record that isn't on cdn (mx or whatever) it lets me [19:21]
mercutioi see 5 minutes normally
cloudflare's ui has changed
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m0undsyea, that's what i got when i queried [19:22]
gizmoguymercutio: it's just a linode VM [19:22]
mercutiogizmoguy: did that sdn switch get enough funding? [19:25]
gizmoguyyip
i've got one on the way
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mercutiosweet [19:26]
m0undswhich one was it? [19:26]
mercutiom0unds: 100 megabit [19:26]
m0undswhich sdn switch, sorry
mfgr or project or whatever
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mercutiosome cheap one, gizmo probably has link around
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/northboundnetworks/zodiac-fx-the-worlds-smallest-openflow-sdn-switch
was it this one?
google found it
wow it was close
it's the 100 megabit thing that irks me most
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m0undsneat [19:28]
mercutiobut with successful 100 megabit maybe they'll do gigabit [19:32]
gizmoguyhe has plans for a gig model [19:34]
brycecYep, it's covered by the FAQ. tl;dr keeping it cheap. [19:35]
mercutioi wonder if this 2.5 gigabit ethernet has made any progress yet
1.9 gbit 802.11ac is probably close to gigabit's limit
can probably max out gigabit ethernet actually if it's decent
damnit, 1.9 is hard to search for with will all these broadcom routers that do 600 megabit 2.4
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up_the_ironsanyone have experience with these data centers in Frankfurt: Telehouse, Zenium, Interxion [20:31]
mercutiowoot :)
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1160068
maybe information on there
although people seem to be recommending hetzner on there
and one guy suggests first-colo
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