[00:09] *** [FBI] starts logging #arpnetworks at Sun Aug 16 00:09:33 2015 [00:09] *** [FBI] has joined #arpnetworks [00:27] @weather auc [00:27] Santiago Perez, Colombia: 74°F (23°C), Humidity: 96%, Wind: From the West at 2 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=7.06944418,-70.73805237 or re-request this with: @weather -v auc [00:27] @weather akl [00:27] Auckland International, New Zealand: Mostly Cloudy ☁ 55°F (13°C), Humidity: 82%, Wind: From the South at 6 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=-37.00805664,174.79167175 or re-request this with: @weather -v akl [00:27] there we go [00:51] it's kind of chilly [01:17] 01:15:07 | WeeChat 1.3 [compiled on Aug 16 2015 09:43:05] [01:17] \o/ Weechat 1.3 just released [01:18] And thanks to the magic of /upgrade: 01:16:12 | WeeChat uptime: 92 days 11:29:03, started on Fri, 15 May 2015 13:47:09 [03:20] what's it change? [05:32] mercutio, already have a load of addresses off my ISP [05:33] a /29, /29, a few /30's and /32's and the /48 of 6 [05:33] ahh did you just get another block? [05:33] err, /28 & /29 [05:33] wow [05:33] nah, i cant justify more IPs [05:33] are you wasting network/broadcast addresses? [05:33] only on the /28 [05:34] how much are you paying per IP? [05:34] atm, nothing extra [05:34] wow [05:34] but i suspect they may soon start charging [05:34] so you've got like a /27 worth total [05:34] something like that yea [05:34] not contiguous though [05:34] yeah [05:34] you could apply for a /23 or /24 probably [05:35] oh wait.. a /30 and /28 are used as broadcast nets [05:35] and get your own IP space [05:35] it'll only go up in volume [05:35] haha [05:35] err in value [05:35] there's final allocation on APNIC and you can still get /22 [05:35] for new businesses etc [05:35] dunno what RIPE is doing [05:35] i dont see that happening [05:36] wtf [05:36] NAT has recouped about 13 addresses in all [05:36] you have to be a LIR [05:36] sounds right [05:36] yeah sounds complciated [05:37] IPv6 is everywhere and since now i can even go IPv6 on mobile phone on 3/4G - moving some hosts into a dedi NAT net was only logical [05:38] just glad i have plenty of IPv6 - think i've got 9 active /64's [05:38] 8 [05:38] i can't tell how much it csots [05:39] but some thing to sign up to costs 2000 euros [05:39] so whatever it is it's probably not cheap [05:39] yea, to be an LIR there is a yearly cost of a couple of grand iirc [05:39] i dunno if NCC and LIR are the same [05:39] plett will know :P [05:39] they make it sound complicated [05:40] probably to stop any tom, dick & harry from going mad [05:40] i dunno i think it should be encouraged to have own IP space [05:40] even with the IPv6 migration coming [05:41] you never know, there may be better systems in the future [05:41] with tunnels being so easy and seemless, i find it easier just to get services from places like my ISP, ARP & others that will chuck small blocks (even at extra cost) and just "relocate" them [05:41] and costs may come down a little [05:41] but then your ip changes all the time [05:41] i think it's better to just advertise a subnet [05:42] well, if you have dynamic - all hosters i use are static [05:42] session between my pfsense @ home with my ARP has stayed true for 21 days now [05:42] the OVH has dropped 6 times in two weeks, but thats because of some stupid french network issues [05:44] well either you use the ip address of the space you're going to [05:44] and that's static, but you dynamically go to different ones [05:44] or you dynamically shift between different ones [05:44] which means it ends up being like dynamic ip regardless [05:44] multihoming should be encouraged :) [05:46] http://imgur.com/3TYdfxB [05:47] thats my pocket 3G router running openwrt - use an L2TP to my ISP, bypass cariers double NAT, gets IPv6 and static port map NAT for 4 [05:47] well... how i have the hosts on VPN can be both client and gateway - i could route all my traffic via my ARP or OVH, NAT from one of their IPs - which does play havock with some things as you end up having 3/4 source IPs [05:49] it'd be a perfect scenario for a single NAT IP @home [05:49] pfSense on single NAT - openvpn bridge into a few other VPS running pfSense, use their gateways as a round-robin NAT, changing your source location on each new connection [05:50] that sounds complicated. [05:50] fun though [05:50] it was joining my ISP that got me really experimenting with networking [05:51] realising i can build a network that effectively becomes an extention of the internet, not some hidden private behind a gateway [05:51] i'm being a little wasteful atm [05:51] i have /29 and two /32s. [05:52] im wasteful with my ARP - have the net/bcast used [05:54] but then, im only using 3 of the 5 available [05:55] keep meaning to email support to get the /48 routed to me - want to see if i can send DHCP6/RADVD from ARP to a network @home [05:56] probably be easier to get a /32, have the /29 routed as it, then i could alias them as /32's [05:56] s/as it/through it/ [05:56] probably be easier to get a /32, have the /29 routed through it, then i could alias them as /32's [06:51] *** mike-bur1 is now known as mike-burns [14:52] http://imgur.com/3OvzH6n - curious i dont see the packet loss between my ARP and @home that i do when my ARP pings the gateway address | http://imgur.com/Q5wzUR7 [14:53] although the latter registers more [14:54] err, former [14:57] grody: that's normal isn't it? [14:58] i mean loss isn't necessarily the same to end point and first hop[ [18:01] mercutio: is new synergy any good for you? [18:01] still crashes every few hours for me :/ [18:08] new synergy is fine for me, no more SSL issues or odd CPU usage [18:08] (Windows) [18:10] gizmoguy: it's worse. [18:11] staticsafe: linux/linux here [18:11] yeah I think I agree mercutio :( [18:11] how are you all using synergy? [18:12] i feel out of date; i'm still using one monitor at home :( [18:12] I have 2 computers on my desk. 3 monitors [18:12] laptop + desktop [18:13] dual deskstops [18:13] haha [18:13] freudian slip [18:13] That's what she said!! [18:13] dual desktops here too :P [18:13] damnit i'm caring about 9 cents [18:13] (In the past, I've done it with numerous desktops, monitors above and below, and stretching several wide, but I just don't need that nowadays.) [18:14] for some reason tax calculator figures out 9 cents more tax refund i'm entitled to :( [18:16] ahh just bank interest screwed up the awk :) [18:16] synergy is cool [18:16] i just wish it was stable and didn't use so much cpu [18:17] but now it's gone non-free i think it will only go worse [18:17] i really want to get a bigger desk, but then the furniture won't match [18:18] Holy crap, you weren't kidding [18:18] jc: i have way too many desks. [18:18] brycec: about the non-free? [18:18] Since that guy (forget his name) took over, it's gone way downhill [18:18] yeah it needs another fork [18:19] He's threatened charging before, but I don't pay attention [18:19] Nick I think? [18:19] Nick bolton or something [18:19] I donated back when it was FOSS [18:19] to help them out [18:19] then they used that to rent an SFO office and hire people >.> [18:20] yeh it seems pretty crazy [18:21] and they still only manage a release every 2 months and like 4/5 bugfixes per release [18:23] And he's doing no software testing, instead pawning that off on people who *pay* to be beta testers [18:25] yeah thats the part that actually bothers me