brycec: I can, yes :P
Is cost a "feature"? :) m0unds: i'd say...heft
dedicated boxes are certainly heavier than virtual ones brycec: If you wanted/needed a widely-distributed network of hosts, you'd probably go with VPSes spread out because it's cheaper than having dedicated boxes in all of those locations. Though really that depends on workload kellytk: Remote console, remote power cycling, I'm not seeing any differences brycec: But the advantages to a VPS are that they're cheap, often easily imaged, and quickly setup.
Also quickly/easily upgraded kellytk: Yes but that isn't the question brycec: Those are features of VPS. You asked for features... m0unds: i'd consider quick provisioning and scalability a feature of vps'
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ChanServ sets mode: +o mhoran mercutio: cost is my major reason for going with vps's over dedicated. mnathani_: you could do both, get a dedicated box and run vms on it
have complete control over your host, hypervisor as well as guests kellytk: Yea, hypervisor. m0unds mentioned virtualization. I personally have a hypervisor preference, however it's interesting to learn that it's a buying consideration of others as well
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up_the_irons2: You really didn't, and the support ticket corroborates it ;) But mercutio did take care of it, it's all good. up_the_irons2: brycec: yeah now I remember, I replied but only internally to mercutio to take care of it ;) ***: up_the_irons2 is now known as up_the_irons mnathani_: nice to see up_the_irons return just in time for billing on the 1st
kellytk: I like Vmware ESXi / Vsphere as a Hypervisor
kellytk: whats your preference for Hypervisors? up_the_irons: mnathani_: i plan my trips around that fact ;)
I was in Germany, then northern California, and now I'm back brycec: lol
up_the_irons: So does ARP have a new EU location now? :D kellytk: mnathani_: I've had pretty good experience with KVM/QEMU. What do you like about ESXi? mercutio: esxi's vmotion is pretty cool mnathani_: I like that its gui based, either with the vsphere client or web interface. Bare metal hypervisor too so great performance mercutio: i found vmware performance much worse than pv xen ime
and that was esxi mnathani_: I have never tried xen. So wouldn't know about its performance
is the config for xen heavily dependant on editing config files and such? mercutio: not really
some things are more efficient with pv mnathani_: I was virtualizing Windows on ESXi brycec: I've virtualized Windows in KVM, ESXi, and VirtualBox, and in every case the performance always seemed to hinge on disk IO.
Windows is greedy, busy, and doesn't share well. mnathani_: which one out of the three got the best performance? brycec: It's not a fair, even comparison since they were all on different hardware... But SSD-backed storage (which happened to be under VirtualBox) was by far the best mercutio: disk i/o and cpu make a HUGE difference to virtualisation performance
but before virtio drivers etc network speeds etc could vary heaps too brycec: protip: Never underestimate the benefits of low-latency, high-speed storage with near-zero seek time. mercutio: and even now at high rates network isn't wonderful brycec: In my experiences (for what little it's worth), it seemed that Windows in general does a *lot* of disk access, by many processes and spread out. When you put more than one Windows system on a single disk, they're both/all seeking all-fucking-over the disk, and it grinds to a halt. *NIX systems tend to be leaner, not running the same sorts of services and databases by default, so they coexist fairly well.
Basically the same rules as running mutliple database servers all with data on the same disk :p mnathani_: anyone with windows 10 having an issue where it asks for password on wake, even though power settings say dont require password brycec: hm, let me try
(I have password-required enabled, as default)
Oh actually I can't toggle that setting due to corporate requirements mnathani_: ahh brycec: (aka "Oh good, the GPO works")
(but I already knew the GPO worked) mnathani_: thanks for checking brycec: np
My other Win10 systems are all RDP anyways, so not a "valid" checking point there either mercutio: brycec: yeh an ssd for a windwos desktop makes so much more difference than in linux
in linux it's nice
especially if you're doing soething like compiling lots of small files etc.
on windows it's kind of "necessary"
read wise linux's disk cache tends to work pretty well too
so with plenty of ram reads are fast