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| m0unds | virtualization | [00:00] |
| brycec | I can, yes :P
Is cost a "feature"? :) | [00:01] |
| m0unds | i'd say...heft
dedicated boxes are certainly heavier than virtual ones | [00:01] |
| brycec | If you wanted/needed a widely-distributed network of hosts, you'd probably go with VPSes spread out because it's cheaper than having dedicated boxes in all of those locations. Though really that depends on workload | [00:02] |
| kellytk | Remote console, remote power cycling, I'm not seeing any differences | [00:02] |
| brycec | But the advantages to a VPS are that they're cheap, often easily imaged, and quickly setup.
Also quickly/easily upgraded | [00:03] |
| kellytk | Yes but that isn't the question | [00:03] |
| brycec | Those are features of VPS. You asked for features... | [00:03] |
| m0unds | i'd consider quick provisioning and scalability a feature of vps'
err, features* | [00:03] |
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| mercutio | cost is my major reason for going with vps's over dedicated. | [14:11] |
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| mnathani_ | you could do both, get a dedicated box and run vms on it
have complete control over your host, hypervisor as well as guests | [17:52] |
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| kellytk | Yea, hypervisor. m0unds mentioned virtualization. I personally have a hypervisor preference, however it's interesting to learn that it's a buying consideration of others as well
mnathani_: May I ask what your hypervisor preference is if you have one? | [19:12] |
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| up_the_irons2 | brycec: I'm catching up on things (although I swear I replied to ya...) | [20:00] |
| m0unds | up_the_irons2: A LIKELY STORY | [20:02] |
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| brycec | oh wow, an up_the_irons2
up_the_irons2: You really didn't, and the support ticket corroborates it ;) But mercutio did take care of it, it's all good. | [20:40] |
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| up_the_irons2 | brycec: yeah now I remember, I replied but only internally to mercutio to take care of it ;) | [21:06] |
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| mnathani_ | nice to see up_the_irons return just in time for billing on the 1st
kellytk: I like Vmware ESXi / Vsphere as a Hypervisor kellytk: whats your preference for Hypervisors? | [21:28] |
| up_the_irons | mnathani_: i plan my trips around that fact ;)
I was in Germany, then northern California, and now I'm back | [21:36] |
| brycec | lol
up_the_irons: So does ARP have a new EU location now? :D | [21:42] |
| kellytk | mnathani_: I've had pretty good experience with KVM/QEMU. What do you like about ESXi? | [21:52] |
| mercutio | esxi's vmotion is pretty cool | [21:53] |
| mnathani_ | I like that its gui based, either with the vsphere client or web interface. Bare metal hypervisor too so great performance | [21:55] |
| mercutio | i found vmware performance much worse than pv xen ime
and that was esxi | [21:56] |
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| mnathani_ | I have never tried xen. So wouldn't know about its performance
is the config for xen heavily dependant on editing config files and such? | [22:23] |
| mercutio | not really
some things are more efficient with pv | [22:27] |
| mnathani_ | I was virtualizing Windows on ESXi | [22:34] |
| brycec | I've virtualized Windows in KVM, ESXi, and VirtualBox, and in every case the performance always seemed to hinge on disk IO.
Windows is greedy, busy, and doesn't share well. | [22:39] |
| mnathani_ | which one out of the three got the best performance? | [22:52] |
| brycec | It's not a fair, even comparison since they were all on different hardware... But SSD-backed storage (which happened to be under VirtualBox) was by far the best | [22:55] |
| mercutio | disk i/o and cpu make a HUGE difference to virtualisation performance
but before virtio drivers etc network speeds etc could vary heaps too | [22:57] |
| brycec | protip: Never underestimate the benefits of low-latency, high-speed storage with near-zero seek time. | [22:58] |
| mercutio | and even now at high rates network isn't wonderful | [22:58] |
| brycec | In my experiences (for what little it's worth), it seemed that Windows in general does a *lot* of disk access, by many processes and spread out. When you put more than one Windows system on a single disk, they're both/all seeking all-fucking-over the disk, and it grinds to a halt. *NIX systems tend to be leaner, not running the same sorts of services and databases by default, so they coexist fairly well.
Basically the same rules as running mutliple database servers all with data on the same disk :p | [23:03] |
| mnathani_ | anyone with windows 10 having an issue where it asks for password on wake, even though power settings say dont require password | [23:17] |
| brycec | hm, let me try
(I have password-required enabled, as default) Oh actually I can't toggle that setting due to corporate requirements | [23:19] |
| mnathani_ | ahh | [23:20] |
| brycec | (aka "Oh good, the GPO works")
(but I already knew the GPO worked) | [23:20] |
| mnathani_ | thanks for checking | [23:21] |
| brycec | np
My other Win10 systems are all RDP anyways, so not a "valid" checking point there either | [23:22] |
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| mercutio | brycec: yeh an ssd for a windwos desktop makes so much more difference than in linux
in linux it's nice especially if you're doing soething like compiling lots of small files etc. on windows it's kind of "necessary" read wise linux's disk cache tends to work pretty well too so with plenty of ram reads are fast | [23:54] |
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