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[03:00] <brycec> I seem to recall somebody mentioning that you couldn't do a Win 10 install, or maybe it was upgrade, without a Microsoft account. I am here to say that you can do both without even once being prompted for a Microsoft ID.
[03:01] <mercutio> you can't do insider program upgrade to rtm without msn
[03:01] <brycec> well that's not a scenario I can test easily :P
[03:01] <brycec> upgraded a Win 7 machine earlier, which obviously didn't have a msft ID associated. And just did a fresh install.
[03:02] <mercutio> yeah i had to shift to msn account
[03:02] <mercutio> i was using it without for aegs.
[03:02] <brycec> And pleasantly I've got through the whole Win10 install without entering a key :) (I'm sure it will bitch later)
[03:03] <mercutio> but i was stuck on 10132 or something
[03:03] <mercutio> nah there's no keys now somehow
[03:03] <mercutio> it identifys with your motherboard afaik though
[03:03] <brycec> (I mean the clean install)
[03:03] <mercutio> so if you change motherboard it'll stop working
[03:03] <brycec> heh, it's prompted a few times and I click "I'll do this later" or whatever
[03:03] <mercutio> and i've got it on i7-3770
[03:03] <mercutio> so i may want to change motherboard at some point :(
[03:04] <mercutio> so what do you think of windows 10?
[03:04] <brycec> I really, really , really wish the backups weren't running right now. this is slow as fuck
[03:04] <brycec> (but they run in the middle of the night, a good time for backups generally)
[03:04] <mercutio> what backups?
[03:05] <brycec> at work
[03:05] <mercutio> oh ok
[03:05] <mercutio> you're working?
[03:05] <mercutio> isn't it like 3 am? :)
[03:05] <brycec> yes, exactly
[03:05] <brycec> because fuck windows
[03:05] <brycec> fuck it so hard
[03:05] <mercutio> i remember when people used to say that windows 95 was stable
[03:05] <mercutio> and they never had any problems with it
[03:05] <brycec> (dealing with a smattering of issues, from Visual Studio to WSUS)
[03:06] <mercutio> there was like an uptime bug that hit after 47 days or something
[03:06] <mercutio> hardly anyone used to hit it
[03:06] <mercutio> oh apparently it's 49.7 days
[03:07] <mercutio> oh it was on 98 too
[03:09] <brycec> I recently discovered the Win-I shortcut. that's made things much simpler. (it opens the control panel)
[03:09] <mercutio> have you tried win x?
[03:10] <mercutio> i just use win-x, win-d, win-e
[03:10] <mercutio> and i start typing for things on control panel normally
[03:10] <brycec> what's win-x?
[03:19] <mercutio> it brings up a menu
[03:19] <mercutio> which has command prompt, control panel, etc on it
[03:19] <mercutio> there's also win-r for run
[03:19] <brycec> yeah I knew the others, and obv win-r
[03:19] <mercutio> and for some reason i seem to accidentally do win-l too much
[03:19] <brycec> but -i and -x were new to me
[03:20] <brycec> i lock my screen all the time, on purpose
[03:20] <mercutio> i think windows key sticks in synergy or smoething
[04:54] <hazardous> i really like how when installign w10
[04:54] <hazardous> the eula says in bold if you're in the states, read the no suing us only arbirtration section
[04:54] <hazardous> then when it installs, i have to click customise settings
[04:54] <hazardous> and explicitly turn off 10+ things that are like "share location" "share wifi passwords" "auto connect to open wifi networks"
[04:54] <hazardous> all enabled by default
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[06:58] <qbit> oh snap - are all the dedi's sold out? :D
[06:58] <qbit> good problem for you guys :D
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[09:50] <staticsafe> saw some prefix withdrawal alerts for my v6 prefix announced here last night
[10:17] <mercutio> hazardous: _optout_nomap
[10:20] <m0unds> hazardous: wow, 10 things?
[10:30] <mercutio> staticsafe: did they stay withdrawn?
[10:30] <staticsafe> nope
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[11:57] <mercutio> i wonder why bind9 is still so popular
[11:57] <m0unds> dunno
[11:58] <m0unds> are there still systems that ship w/bind9 in base?
[11:58] <mercutio> yeh i think so
[11:59] <mercutio> semi-mainstream news is reporting on the bind vulnerability :)
[11:59] <m0unds> gotta scaremonger as much as possible
[12:00] <mercutio> well it's been 15 years since it was widely known that bind is a bad idea
[12:01] <mercutio> and bind9 did not fix the issues
[12:01] <mercutio> at least sendmail isn't common now
[12:03] <brycec> Mostly because sendmail was a beast to configure, not because security :P
[12:03] <staticsafe> I like BIND because of the excellent documentation and the feature
[12:03] <staticsafe> features*
[12:31] <m0unds> so nice outside today
[12:32] <brycec> Sadly, our nice weather is at an end for now. 32C/90F here at noon, and the high's about 40C/100F
[12:33] <brycec> but for awhile, it didn't get about 23C/75F in the day, super pleasant
[12:33] <m0unds> uggghhhh
[12:33] <m0unds> humid too?
[12:34] <brycec> Not really, 25% ish
[12:34] <m0unds> oh, that's good
[12:34] <m0unds> still sucks temp wise since so many houses and stuff don't have ac
[12:34] <brycec> But a whole week of leaving the AC off, in the summer. Was glorious :D
[12:34] <m0unds> yeah, hahaha
[12:34] <m0unds> mine ran a whopping 30 mins yesterday
[12:34] <brycec> Yeah but they're used to it. Or they buy window/wall/portable AC units
[12:35] <m0unds> but it was sub-70F this morning when i ran errands, and only just hit ~80 at 1300
[12:35] <brycec> Nice :) It still hits 50/60 at night here at least.
[12:35] <brycec> (though earlier in the summer there was brief time it didn't get below 80F)
[12:36] <m0unds> yuck
[12:36] <brycec> pissed me off to not only leave the AC on (thermostat) all day and night, but dammit I moved away from Phoenix
[12:36] <m0unds> hahaha
[12:36] <m0unds> was just thinking that's one of my least fav things about low elevation desert
[12:36] <m0unds> phx and las vegas - hot during the day and slightly less hot at night
[12:38] <brycec> Seems like that has much more to do with other aspects than just elevation. For starters, massive concrete island effect in both.
[12:38] <brycec> Phx being in a valley that was frequently subject to atmospheric inversion kept air stale, stagnant, and hot
[12:38] <m0unds> elevation is a big part of it
[12:38] <brycec> YOU'RE A BIG PART OF IT! >.>
[12:39] <brycec> <.<
[12:39] <m0unds> SO WHAT IF I AM?
[12:39] <brycec> Dude, just fart less. :)
[12:39] <m0unds> TOO MUCH HOT AIR OK?
[12:39] <brycec> Oh you're just full of it
[12:41] <m0unds> i sure am
[12:41] <brycec> Anyways, yeah, it sucked.
[12:41] <brycec> But if you drove out of town, past the mountains, it cooled riiiight off
[12:41] <m0unds> yeah
[12:43] <m0unds> adiabatic lapse rate
[12:44] <m0unds> couldn't remember the term
[12:44] <brycec> @ud adiabatic lapse rate
[12:44] <BryceBot> Error, No definitions could be found for: adiabatic+lapse+rate
[12:44] <m0unds> http://meteorologytraining.tpub.com/14312/css/14312_47.htm
[12:44] <brycec> Yeah you're just making shit up :P
[12:44] <m0unds> hahahah
[12:45] <brycec> tl;dr air cools as it rises?
[12:45] <m0unds> yes
[12:45] <m0unds> due to pressure
[12:45] <m0unds> 1C per 100m of elev change
[12:45] <m0unds> appx
[12:45] <m0unds> 5.5F per 1kft
[12:45] <brycec> Yeah. Just making sure I understood the point. (I do remember some chemistry, as it happens :p)
[12:45] <m0unds> that site is ugly
[12:46] <m0unds> dunno if chrome is just mangling the typography or what
[12:46] <m0unds> but it looks like someone printed something then scanned it and shrank it
[12:48] <brycec> Aaaand just looks creepy https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/matterandform/bevel-3d-photography-for-any-smartphone-or-tablet
[12:49] <m0unds> wtf
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[16:00] <mercutio> someone's trying to take my nick with nickserv :(
[16:20] <mnathani_> how do we know its really you, and they havent already succeeded?
[16:38] <m0unds> mnathani_: that's a good point
[16:38] <m0unds> how do we know it's really mercutio and not some imposter
[17:05] <mercutio> you don't m0unds
[17:05] <m0unds> OH NO
[18:52] <m0unds> http://www.atelier.net/en/trends/articles/cyber-security-we-re-building-monster-connecting-all-these-devices_436827?utm_content=buffer03ab0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
[18:52] <m0unds> whoops, wrong channel
[20:37] <mnathani_> would the real mercutio please stand up
[20:37] <mnathani_> :-)
[22:03] <meingtsla> *burp*