[00:07] screw it, i think i'm going to update to rtm [00:08] it takes about an hour? [00:28] it can't fidn the new build :( [00:51] *** anisfarhana has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [00:55] *** anis_ has joined #arpnetworks [03:02] *** dj_goku has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [03:02] *** dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks [03:02] *** dj_goku has quit IRC (Changing host) [03:02] *** dj_goku has joined #arpnetworks [03:07] *** gizmoguy_ has joined #arpnetworks [03:08] *** gizmoguy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [03:08] *** mkb has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [03:08] *** mkb has joined #arpnetworks [06:55] *** tabthorpe has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [07:06] *** nesta has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [07:23] *** nesta has joined #arpnetworks [07:49] *** tabthorpe has joined #arpnetworks [07:49] *** tabthorpe has quit IRC (Changing host) [07:49] *** tabthorpe has joined #arpnetworks [08:36] *** anis_ is now known as anis [12:01] Is it just me or are a lot of the Windows 10 links on the micrsosoft website broken? [12:02] We are sorry, the page you requested cannot be found. [12:02] http://www.windows.com/windows10upgrade [12:27] that link works for me [12:27] actually just finished upgrading my bootcamp windows install to 10 too [12:27] haha [12:27] Myself as well. [12:27] (re: working) [12:35] i really like the ui for edge, looks nice [13:25] *** dne has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [13:27] *** dne has joined #arpnetworks [14:22] mnathani_: they use akamai i think [14:22] so it could be cached in different locations working / not working [14:23] im actually liking windows 10 [14:23] might start using this laptop more [14:23] i installed it in the end [14:23] because the normal update thing wasn't working [14:23] i reinstalled 7 on the 10TP and upgraded [14:24] i just ran setup.exe off the iso [14:24] why did you reinstall 7? [14:24] the 10TP was only an eval, to get full i had to reinstall and verify win7 [14:25] weird [14:25] well you are stuck on insider program i think normally? [14:25] i dunno [14:26] no idea [14:26] nope [14:26] it's free [14:26] you can stop insidder builds it seemse [14:26] hm [14:26] *shrug* [14:26] got a nice clean install now anywho [14:26] yeah [14:26] i might clean install later [14:40] i can still only get 800mb/sec read on network with windows 10, but can get 1200mb/sec write [14:43] hah [14:43] im still suffering from lack of roaming [14:43] i kind of would rather tha other way around [14:43] i have no idea why it prefers the weaker AP in the study [14:43] apparently need to use a server version of OS to do rdma :( [14:44] did you remember to change your SSID? [14:45] you're meant to change your ssid to _optout_nomap at the end [14:50] so this new windows server is going to support http/2 [14:53] hah yea good uses the _nomap [14:54] i cba w/ it any more [14:54] good?.. google [14:54] and windows uses _optout to not share your password for ssid with microsoft [14:54] and your contacts [14:54] i dont has any windows contacts [14:54] used some dumb address too [14:54] someon else using your ssid might [14:54] and all your neighbours get to see your ssid [14:55] meh [14:55] so if people start seeing it more and more [14:55] then maybe people will start caring [14:55] Sofa King Fast and Where Did I Park My WiFi [14:56] 2.4GHz here is flooded with default SSIDs [14:56] heh [14:57] here it's liek tp-link and vodafone and blah [14:57] BTHub, TalkTalk, VirginMedia, Sky here [14:58] guest wifi that has an antenna outside is "Freeloaders Paradise" [14:58] xfinitywifi and HOME-____ here :((( [14:58] can pick that up at the pub on the corner, brillianyt [14:58] is it passwordless? [14:58] no [14:59] a friend over the back uses it, i use it at the pub and neighbours/guests can ask me to use it [14:59] do pubs there have wifi? [14:59] most of the time, but open [14:59] a handful actually incorperate wifi isolattion [15:00] i thought wifi isolation was the default [15:02] a lot of pubs use a BSkyB service called "TheCloud" which uses proper equipment, still open though [15:02] some use another by arqiva, which are and also egress filtered to hell [15:02] is performance better than 3g? [15:02] but then i've seen a few by private/unknown companies that have absolute lack of interest [15:02] meh [15:03] here in the city center, not really [15:03] isn't bt adsl really slow? [15:03] they are mostly hosted of ADSL [15:03] yea, around the city from 12-19mbit [15:03] oh [15:03] can get 4G on Vidafone and hit 30mbps [15:03] i thought it was usually like 5 or 6 km to exchange [15:03] 12 to 19 megabit isn't too bad [15:03] exchange is close to city [15:04] townc enter rather [15:04] depends how big city centre is i suppose [15:04] small town really, but technically a city [15:04] ahh [15:04] yeh probably good then :) [15:04] my last place had OK ADSL, got 15mbps and was about 2.1km [15:05] also had eDOCSIS [15:05] yeah that's not normal [15:05] but they never upgraded to FTTC [15:05] 15 megabit is good for 2.1km [15:05] you'd expect more like 11 or 12 megabit [15:05] but it depends how direct the route is etc [15:05] that was using an old (now defunt by looks) provider [15:05] BT equipment on same line was 10/11 [15:05] you may use lower snr margins there too [15:05] we're stuck on 12db here [15:06] ♥ my vDSL line though [15:06] definately faster than i need, which is great [15:06] vdsl having higher upload speed tends to make a bit of a difference [15:07] aye.. makes shaping a lot easier [15:07] always save 2/3mbit for ACKS, rest can do whatever and i will always be able to hit max download [15:08] was trying to explain to people on ADSL that if you saturate upload, you kill download (and ping times( [15:09] as soon as most people torrent or the like, they dont control upload and wonder why everything has slowed to hell [15:11] wtf [15:11] why are you saving bw for ack's [15:12] yeh the upload thing you can't really fix on adsl [15:12] also there is high overhead for small packets [15:12] depending on how many cells it uses up [15:12] ugh, i don't miss having adsl [15:12] vdsl is still high overhead [15:12] but it's lower [15:13] wouldn't know, it's rarely deployed anywhere in my city [15:13] i kind of miss header compression that worked [15:13] i suppose it doesn't matter that much now days [15:13] but it used to use liek 5 bytes for 40 byte tcp/ip headers [15:13] it wasn't insignificant... [15:13] which meant on dialup you could get by with having 296 mtu [15:14] where normally that'd be kind of getting up there with overhead [17:44] mercutio, well for return TCP (and TCP in UDP), that way all computers could max allocated upload but there be enough upload left for full downlink speed [17:44] it doesn't literally get saved for acks [17:44] oh [17:45] both routers cap upload to 15mbps, peaks to 17 when i download full speed (tcp) [17:46] not that i ever saturate either way for too long [17:46] could turn all shaping off and probably not notice a difference [17:46] i'm fine with just fq_codel [17:46] nothing special [17:47] im not 100% sure thats even working here [17:47] since im NATless, i don't think it's conntracking anything [17:49] what is the overhead on FTTC? [17:49] the tech supports minijumbos here, so can save 8bytes at least [18:08] is 76C hot for an E2200 when it's loaded out compiling stuff? [18:09] people keep telling me these CPU's shouldn't run that hot, but BIOS claims 86C is when it starts throttling and 100C when it clams right up [18:10] Core 0: +73.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C) [18:10] Core 1: +71.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C) [18:15] grody: depends if it's dhcp or pppoe [18:15] 76c is extremely hot for e2200 [18:16] my i7-3770 runs cooler than that with no fan on heatsync [18:16] there's case fan though [18:16] and a huge heatsync [18:16] err i'm undervolting a little though [18:17] usually if it's that hot i'd suggest that hsf isn't mounted correctly or thermal paste not applied properly. [18:17] also in this modern age, you can replace an e2200 with e8400 cheaply and get like 50% boost in performance [18:18] http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-SLB9J-Core-2-Duo-E8400-3-00-GHz-6MB-1333MHz-Socket-LGA775-CPU-Processor-/281702804346?hash=item4196cbab7a [18:18] they're pretty cheap on ebay.. [18:18] has more cache, faster fsb, higher mhz [18:19] but it's still only dual core [18:19] hmm [18:20] PPPoE on this vDSL, but have an MTU of 1508 set (and being used), so no clamping MSS [18:20] yea, this e2200 is a little old and the rig is historic [18:20] yeh as router it's probably fine [18:20] got this 0.1v undervolted atm [18:20] why are you compiling on it? :) [18:21] i'm doing 1492 mtu for vdsl [18:21] nah, it's a media server - but i offloaded some compiling to it now it's got more RAM using distcc [18:21] i tried to do 1500, but can't seem to get modem to support 1508 mtu on ethernet :( [18:21] ahh [18:22] not many things can do the increased MTU [18:22] open does now, but required some fiddling the switch [18:22] on this thing [18:22] pfsense can't [18:23] why i run openwrt as the PPPoE client and then a pfSense [18:30] yeh it's the modem that gets in my way [18:36] modems shipped by wholesaler (mandatory) support it fortunately [18:37] did read a rumour they are going to force all in once solutions [18:37] s/once/one/ [18:37] did read a rumour they are going to force all in one solutions [18:38] some ISPs do that, Sky hide the user/pass and made it difficult to pull, Virgin force use of their equipment and BT now with vDSL (and any provider providing the platform) have to use BT issued modems [18:52] damn [18:52] i hate all in one [19:13] haha: https://twitter.com/bmastenbrook/status/624726547400933376 [19:13] TWITTER: To maintain security, we're going to train you to type your password into random modal dialogs periodically. http://t.co/n0FUtsqGNw (Fri Jul 24 23:43:10 +0000 2015, retweeted 820 times) [19:18] Your IRC session has expired [19:18] To maintain security, your IRC session periodically expires. To reconnect to IRC, type /msg gizmoguy_ username password [19:20] TIL me and m0unds share the same password [19:20] ahahahah [19:22] TIL mercutio is too literal [19:22] :) [19:22] you should use [19:24] i fell for it regardless [19:25] *** gizmoguy has joined #arpnetworks [19:25] :O [19:25] I had no idea that my IRC session expired [19:25] why do you have a _ in your username anyway? [19:26] not sure.. [19:26] hah on my normal irc both show up as the same colour even [19:26] it's my alt nick [19:26] you haven't registered gizmoguy [19:26] brycec: Congrats your IRC session is renewed. Enjoy the next 30 minutes of IRC entertainment [19:26] I used to have it registered [19:26] hahaha [19:26] now i do [19:26] yay [19:26] lol [19:27] *** gizmoguy has quit IRC (Client Quit) [19:27] but yeah you may want to register it [19:27] *** gizmoguy_ is now known as gizmoguy [19:27] gizmoguy #juniper Cannot change nickname while banned on channel [19:27] that's why I couldn't be gizmoguy [19:27] no idea why I was banned on that chan [19:28] for not being registered [19:28] it happens when freenode has issues [19:28] ahh true [19:28] which is less often than used to be the case [19:28] there was a split last night though [19:28] NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Thank you for verifying your e-mail address! You have taken steps in ensuring that your registrations are not exploited. [19:28] hah you guys can't exploit me anymore [19:29] emphesis on 'taken steps' [19:29] also [19:29] This e-mail was sent due to a command from gizmoguy[~gizmoguy@2400:bd00:dead:beef::cafe] [19:29] you guys don't have as cool of an ipv6 address as me [19:29] *** gizmoguy_ has joined #arpnetworks [19:29] now you guys can't exploit me anymore [19:30] sure i do [19:30] hey gizmoguy, nickserv here, what's your email address and password so i can verify it's actually you? [19:30] ipv6 is deprecated [19:30] Oh no. this was all a ploy so gizmoguy_ could steal people's passwords from their expired IRC sessions! [19:30] 2607:f2f8:afa0::f00d:4:a11 [19:30] grody: f2f8 i reckon is kind of cool [19:30] *** gizmoguy_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) [19:30] m0unds: gizmoguy@gmail.com lickmahb411z [19:31] my /48 @home is much funkier.. i have FB5D [19:31] verified! thanks for making freenode safer and stuff [19:31] Oh should I have done that in private? oh well [19:31] gizmoguy: your ipv6 address is too long [19:31] :( [19:31] my one of ::1 is much better [19:31] 64 bytes from ::1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.027 ms [19:31] no place like ::1 [19:32] wow. auckland is pretty close to my desktop these days [19:32] heh [19:32] 64 bytes from ::1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.013 ms [19:33] 64 bytes from ::1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.038 ms [19:33] have a slower link [19:33] gaming on it is pointless [19:33] i have cstates disabled i think [19:34] well the deep sleep ones [19:34] That's what she said!! [19:34] oddly, she did to some degree [19:34] why im rebuilding all my openwrts [19:35] 15.04-rc3 grody? [19:35] running that on all my nodes at home [19:35] 'tis good [19:35] i assume someone here used to read slashdot [19:35] Chaos Calmer r46518 [19:35] remember how slashdot always seemed to go into beowulf clusters [19:35] that goes back some [19:35] as if it somehow had some kind of relevance [19:35] CHAOS CALMER (15.05-rc3, r46163) [19:36] I'm a few hundred commits behind. oh well [19:36] git-15.208.34629 [19:36] but why do you have multiple openwrt nodes gizmo [19:36] 4.1.3 kernsl in this [19:36] well you see mercutio [19:36] I wanted some vlan trunks [19:37] can't your switch do that? [19:37] I couldn't make my mikrotik work how I wanted (i really hate their config format) [19:37] and I had spare tplink boxes lying around [19:37] ahh [19:37] i have some tp-links lying around [19:37] openwrt is quite epic for that [19:37] openwrt could be a lot better [19:37] can turn some routers into a fully managed switch [19:37] next job is running openvswitch on my openwrt boxes [19:38] what i really want to see is a nice distributed file system [19:38] and doing some openflow on my home network [19:38] doing VLANs with RouterOS is a PITA [19:38] so you can have decent packages available with hardly any nand [19:38] oh that reminds me [19:38] https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/northboundnetworks/zodiac-fx-the-worlds-smallest-openflow-sdn-switch/description [19:38] throw some money at this guy plz [19:38] gizmoguy: 100 megabit [19:38] it should be sfp+ :/ [19:38] $64 [19:38] I've been chatting to him privately, and he has a gigabit one in the works [19:38] yeh idk. if it was gigabit maybe [19:38] mercutio, ext.root on ext4 :P [19:38] but at 100 megabit what's it good for? [19:39] development [19:39] tinkering [19:39] maybe [19:39] when you have written your home sdn controller [19:39] he will have a gigabit one ready for you to buy [19:39] the bigger problem is it's only a 3 port switch [19:39] i suppose it is cheap [19:39] is that $64 USD? [19:40] plus like $15 postage or something [19:40] $64 AUD oddly enough [19:40] switch on these 841nd are gigabit and can switch to about 600mbps [19:40] oh that's not so bad [19:40] full port per port until you start maxing 3 [19:40] grody: it should do line rate? [19:41] does it have paypal? [19:41] you can't get full switched speed when using all 5 ports in switch only [19:41] mercutio: kickstarter? [19:41] yeh [19:41] it caps at about 600 [19:41] dunno, i just through my CC detailst heir way [19:41] threw even [19:41] yeah i don't trust my cc out in the open [19:41] i have only one atm [19:42] lets see [19:42] does it do pppoe? [19:42] looks like it's just credit card [19:42] better security with cc's here [19:42] vs. a debit card that is [19:42] mercutio: the zodiac board? [19:42] grody: i got blocked by some idiot doing fraud once. [19:42] gizmoguy: yeh [19:42] and it was a pita [19:42] so openflow doesn't really have PPP support yet [19:43] i've had id theft before [19:43] but the zodiac board has opensource firmware [19:43] took like a week to get a new credit card [19:43] so you could hack it in [19:43] hmm [19:43] i don't know what i can use it for other than having both my dsl connections going to it [19:44] i miss dual line [19:44] only have vdsl w/ hspa backup [19:44] mind you i'm at 100 megabit if i add up both lines. [19:45] only 100mbit :( [19:45] hah nice.. if i got another vdsl i could hit 160/40 [19:45] hopefully it should go higher soon. [19:45] I'm 200/200 at home [19:45] gizmoguy: one's at 38.5, the other 61.. [19:45] 8b vs 17a [19:45] i want an edocsis line, but alas, not cable running this way [19:45] the 8b one has splitter and way more errors, the 17a one has no splitter, and way less errors. go figure. [19:45] i want to figure out how to get rid of the splitter. [19:45] You looking forward to the new VDSL spectrum profile mercutio? [19:45] gizmoguy: yes! [19:45] the 17a profile is on 35 megabit max upload atm [19:45] I've had a couple trial VDSL lines for a while [19:46] it's pretty sweet [19:46] and so i should be able to get way more than 10 megabit up. [19:46] yip [19:46] I get ~40mbit up [19:46] on one of ours [19:46] but download wise i don't really care. [19:46] 60 megabit is fine. [19:46] ~80mbit down on the fastest VDSL line [19:46] im quite happy with +10mbps up [19:46] gizmoguy: how close are you? [19:47] 80/40 would be sweet. [19:47] mercutio: there's about 10m of copper between our CPE and the ISAM :) [19:47] i wouldn't complain at that. [19:47] gizmoguy: oh. [19:47] it should be 30a then :) [19:48] gizmoguy: being in auckland, don't have ufb until 2019 [19:48] because chorus. [19:48] it kind of sucks to be in a chorus area :( [19:48] i mean in theory i could move [19:48] but the areas that have ufb are really really expensive [19:49] except for henderson [19:49] and i wouldn't want to live in henderson. [19:49] come to hamilton [19:50] you work from home anyway ;) [19:50] heh [19:50] could be an idea. [19:50] it's an hours drive to auckland? [19:51] 1d 13h duration, 3+ stops [19:51] Hamilton, Canada (YHM) to Auckland (AKL) [19:51] why does google think i want to fly from canada when i put it into google [19:51] 1 h 48 min (124.6 km) via State Highway 1 [19:51] damn 2 hours [20:24] George Hamilton? [20:39] hamilton is a city in new zealand [20:39] it's small like 100k people [20:39] so you're not likely to have heard of it [20:39] it's where gizmo lives [20:39] is it named after george hamilton? [20:40] it's named after the hamilton in england i imagine [20:40] http://a.images.blip.tv/Qtv-LaCageAuxFollesStarGeorgeHamiltonInStudioQ923.jpg [20:40] it's named after john hamilton [20:40] The settlement was founded on 24 August 1864 and named by Colonel William Moule after Captain John Fane Charles Hamilton,[10] the popular Scottish commander of HMS Esk, who was killed in the battle of Gate P??, Tauranga [20:41] apparently there are 140k peole living there now [20:44] mercutio: it didnt work in chrome, but worked fine in IE [20:44] any tips on updating a Surface pro 3 to windows 10 [20:44] all my attempts have failed [20:44] I get the 'something happened' error messasge [20:45] oh there's a fix for that i think [20:45] s/messasge/message [20:45] I get the 'something happened' error message [20:45] google "something happened" windows 10 [20:45] oh hangon [20:45] i know how to fix that [20:45] download the iso [20:45] and then open iso and run setup.exe [20:45] you download that iso with that special tool thingy [20:45] http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/C/8/1C8BAF5C-9B7E-44FB-A90A-F58590B5DF7B/MediaCreationToolx64.exe [20:45] dunno if that link works or not [20:46] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 [20:46] there was some utility i downloaded to upgrade my fresh win7 bootcamp install to win10 today [20:46] m0unds: probably that tool [20:46] I have a download link on that page, think its the same [20:46] mnathani_: yeh probably [20:46] i could look at download history for that though [20:46] i ran it on a fresh win7 install without a single update installed and it upgraded to win10 [20:46]