#arpnetworks 2015-07-29,Wed

mercutio

nope
it's free
you can stop insidder builds it seemse

grody

hm
*shrug*
got a nice clean install now anywho

mercutio

yeah
i might clean install later

i can still only get 800mb/sec read on network with windows 10, but can get 1200mb/sec write

[14:40]

grody

hah
im still suffering from lack of roaming

mercutio

i kind of would rather tha other way around

grody

i have no idea why it prefers the weaker AP in the study

mercutio

apparently need to use a server version of OS to do rdma :(
did you remember to change your SSID?
you're meant to change your ssid to _optout_nomap at the end

so this new windows server is going to support http/2

[14:50]

grody

hah yea good uses the _nomap
i cba w/ it any more
good?.. google

[14:53]

mercutio

and windows uses _optout to not share your password for ssid with microsoft
and your contacts

[14:54]

grody

i dont has any windows contacts
used some dumb address too

[14:54]

mercutio

someon else using your ssid might
and all your neighbours get to see your ssid

[14:54]

grody

meh

[14:55]

mercutio

so if people start seeing it more and more
then maybe people will start caring

[14:55]

grody

Sofa King Fast and Where Did I Park My WiFi
2.4GHz here is flooded with default SSIDs

[14:55]

mercutio

heh
here it's liek tp-link and vodafone and blah

[14:56]

grody

BTHub, TalkTalk, VirginMedia, Sky here
guest wifi that has an antenna outside is "Freeloaders Paradise"

[14:57]

brycec

xfinitywifi and HOME-____ here :(((

grody

can pick that up at the pub on the corner, brillianyt

mercutio

is it passwordless?

grody

no
a friend over the back uses it, i use it at the pub and neighbours/guests can ask me to use it

mercutio

do pubs there have wifi?

[14:59]

grody

most of the time, but open
a handful actually incorperate wifi isolattion

[14:59]

mercutio

i thought wifi isolation was the default

[15:00]

grody

a lot of pubs use a BSkyB service called "TheCloud" which uses proper equipment, still open though
some use another by arqiva, which are and also egress filtered to hell

[15:02]

mercutio

is performance better than 3g?

[15:02]

grody

but then i've seen a few by private/unknown companies that have absolute lack of interest
meh
here in the city center, not really

[15:02]

mercutio

isn't bt adsl really slow?

grody

they are mostly hosted of ADSL
yea, around the city from 12-19mbit

mercutio

grody

can get 4G on Vidafone and hit 30mbps

mercutio

i thought it was usually like 5 or 6 km to exchange
12 to 19 megabit isn't too bad

grody

exchange is close to city
townc enter rather

mercutio

depends how big city centre is i suppose

grody

small town really, but technically a city

mercutio

ahh
yeh probably good then :)

grody

my last place had OK ADSL, got 15mbps and was about 2.1km
also had eDOCSIS

mercutio

yeah that's not normal

grody

but they never upgraded to FTTC

mercutio

15 megabit is good for 2.1km
you'd expect more like 11 or 12 megabit
but it depends how direct the route is etc

grody

that was using an old (now defunt by looks) provider
BT equipment on same line was 10/11

mercutio

you may use lower snr margins there too
we're stuck on 12db here

grody

♥ my vDSL line though
definately faster than i need, which is great

[15:06]

mercutio

vdsl having higher upload speed tends to make a bit of a difference

[15:06]

grody

aye.. makes shaping a lot easier
always save 2/3mbit for ACKS, rest can do whatever and i will always be able to hit max download
was trying to explain to people on ADSL that if you saturate upload, you kill download (and ping times(
as soon as most people torrent or the like, they dont control upload and wonder why everything has slowed to hell

[15:07]

mercutio

wtf
why are you saving bw for ack's
yeh the upload thing you can't really fix on adsl
also there is high overhead for small packets
depending on how many cells it uses up

[15:11]

m0unds

ugh, i don't miss having adsl

[15:12]

mercutio

vdsl is still high overhead
but it's lower

[15:12]

m0unds

wouldn't know, it's rarely deployed anywhere in my city

[15:13]

mercutio

i kind of miss header compression that worked
i suppose it doesn't matter that much now days
but it used to use liek 5 bytes for 40 byte tcp/ip headers
it wasn't insignificant...
which meant on dialup you could get by with having 296 mtu
where normally that'd be kind of getting up there with overhead

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grody

mercutio, well for return TCP (and TCP in UDP), that way all computers could max allocated upload but there be enough upload left for full downlink speed
it doesn't literally get saved for acks

[17:44]

mercutio

[17:44]

grody

both routers cap upload to 15mbps, peaks to 17 when i download full speed (tcp)
not that i ever saturate either way for too long
could turn all shaping off and probably not notice a difference

[17:45]

mercutio

i'm fine with just fq_codel
nothing special

[17:46]

grody

im not 100% sure thats even working here
since im NATless, i don't think it's conntracking anything
what is the overhead on FTTC?
the tech supports minijumbos here, so can save 8bytes at least

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is 76C hot for an E2200 when it's loaded out compiling stuff?
people keep telling me these CPU's shouldn't run that hot, but BIOS claims 86C is when it starts throttling and 100C when it clams right up
Core 0: +73.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 1: +71.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)

[18:08]

mercutio

grody: depends if it's dhcp or pppoe
76c is extremely hot for e2200
my i7-3770 runs cooler than that with no fan on heatsync
there's case fan though
and a huge heatsync
err i'm undervolting a little though
usually if it's that hot i'd suggest that hsf isn't mounted correctly or thermal paste not applied properly.
also in this modern age, you can replace an e2200 with e8400 cheaply and get like 50% boost in performance
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-SLB9J-Core-2-Duo-E8400-3-00-GHz-6MB-1333MHz-Socket-LGA775-CPU-Processor-/281702804346?hash=item4196cbab7a
they're pretty cheap on ebay..
has more cache, faster fsb, higher mhz
but it's still only dual core

[18:15]

grody

hmm
PPPoE on this vDSL, but have an MTU of 1508 set (and being used), so no clamping MSS
yea, this e2200 is a little old and the rig is historic

[18:19]

mercutio

yeh as router it's probably fine

[18:20]

grody

got this 0.1v undervolted atm

[18:20]

mercutio

why are you compiling on it? :)
i'm doing 1492 mtu for vdsl

[18:20]

grody

nah, it's a media server - but i offloaded some compiling to it now it's got more RAM using distcc

[18:21]

mercutio

i tried to do 1500, but can't seem to get modem to support 1508 mtu on ethernet :(
ahh

[18:21]

grody

not many things can do the increased MTU
open does now, but required some fiddling the switch
on this thing
pfsense can't
why i run openwrt as the PPPoE client and then a pfSense

[18:22]

mercutio

yeh it's the modem that gets in my way

[18:30]

grody

modems shipped by wholesaler (mandatory) support it fortunately
did read a rumour they are going to force all in once solutions
s/once/one/

[18:36]

BryceBot

<grody> did read a rumour they are going to force all in one solutions

[18:37]

grody

some ISPs do that, Sky hide the user/pass and made it difficult to pull, Virgin force use of their equipment and BT now with vDSL (and any provider providing the platform) have to use BT issued modems

[18:38]

mercutio

damn
i hate all in one

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m0unds

haha: https://twitter.com/bmastenbrook/status/624726547400933376

[19:13]

BryceBot

TWITTER: To maintain security, we're going to train you to type your password into random modal dialogs periodically. http://t.co/n0FUtsqGNw (Fri Jul 24 23:43:10 +0000 2015, retweeted 820 times)

[19:13]

gizmoguy_

Your IRC session has expired
To maintain security, your IRC session periodically expires. To reconnect to IRC, type /msg gizmoguy_ username password
TIL me and m0unds share the same password

[19:18]

m0unds

ahahahah

[19:20]

gizmoguy_

TIL mercutio is too literal

[19:22]

mercutio

:)
you should use <username> <password>

[19:22]

m0unds

i fell for it regardless

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gizmoguy_

brycec

I had no idea that my IRC session expired

gizmoguy

why do you have a _ in your username anyway?

gizmoguy_

not sure..

gizmoguy

hah on my normal irc both show up as the same colour even

gizmoguy_

it's my alt nick

gizmoguy

you haven't registered gizmoguy

gizmoguy_

brycec: Congrats your IRC session is renewed. Enjoy the next 30 minutes of IRC entertainment
I used to have it registered

m0unds

hahaha

gizmoguy

now i do

brycec

yay

gizmoguy_

lol

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mercutio

but yeah you may want to register it

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gizmoguy

gizmoguy #juniper Cannot change nickname while banned on channel
that's why I couldn't be gizmoguy
no idea why I was banned on that chan

mercutio

for not being registered
it happens when freenode has issues

gizmoguy

ahh true

mercutio

which is less often than used to be the case
there was a split last night though

gizmoguy

NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Thank you for verifying your e-mail address! You have taken steps in ensuring that your registrations are not exploited.
hah you guys can't exploit me anymore

grody

emphesis on 'taken steps'

gizmoguy

also
This e-mail was sent due to a command from gizmoguy[~gizmoguy@2400:bd00:dead:beef::cafe]
you guys don't have as cool of an ipv6 address as me

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gizmoguy_

now you guys can't exploit me anymore

grody

sure i do

m0unds

hey gizmoguy, nickserv here, what's your email address and password so i can verify it's actually you?

gizmoguy_

ipv6 is deprecated

gizmoguy

Oh no. this was all a ploy so gizmoguy_ could steal people's passwords from their expired IRC sessions!

grody

2607:f2f8:afa0::f00d:4:a11

gizmoguy_

grody: f2f8 i reckon is kind of cool

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gizmoguy

m0unds: gizmoguy@gmail.com lickmahb411z

grody

my /48 @home is much funkier.. i have FB5D

m0unds

verified! thanks for making freenode safer and stuff

gizmoguy

Oh should I have done that in private? oh well

mercutio

gizmoguy: your ipv6 address is too long

gizmoguy

mercutio

my one of ::1 is much better

gizmoguy

64 bytes from ::1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.027 ms

grody

no place like ::1

gizmoguy

wow. auckland is pretty close to my desktop these days

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mercutio

heh
64 bytes from ::1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.013 ms

[19:32]

grody

64 bytes from ::1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.038 ms
have a slower link
gaming on it is pointless

[19:33]

mercutio

i have cstates disabled i think
well the deep sleep ones

[19:33]

BryceBot

That's what she said!!

[19:34]

grody

oddly, she did to some degree
why im rebuilding all my openwrts

[19:34]

gizmoguy

15.04-rc3 grody?
running that on all my nodes at home
'tis good

mercutio

i assume someone here used to read slashdot

grody

Chaos Calmer r46518

mercutio

remember how slashdot always seemed to go into beowulf clusters

grody

that goes back some

mercutio

as if it somehow had some kind of relevance

gizmoguy

CHAOS CALMER (15.05-rc3, r46163)
I'm a few hundred commits behind. oh well

grody

git-15.208.34629

mercutio

but why do you have multiple openwrt nodes gizmo

grody

4.1.3 kernsl in this

gizmoguy

well you see mercutio
I wanted some vlan trunks

mercutio

can't your switch do that?

gizmoguy

I couldn't make my mikrotik work how I wanted (i really hate their config format)
and I had spare tplink boxes lying around

mercutio

ahh
i have some tp-links lying around

grody

openwrt is quite epic for that

mercutio

openwrt could be a lot better

grody

can turn some routers into a fully managed switch

gizmoguy

next job is running openvswitch on my openwrt boxes

mercutio

what i really want to see is a nice distributed file system

gizmoguy

and doing some openflow on my home network

staticsafe

doing VLANs with RouterOS is a PITA

mercutio

so you can have decent packages available with hardly any nand

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/northboundnetworks/zodiac-fx-the-worlds-smallest-openflow-sdn-switch/description

gizmoguy

oh that reminds me

throw some money at this guy plz

mercutio

gizmoguy: 100 megabit
it should be sfp+ :/

gizmoguy

$64
I've been chatting to him privately, and he has a gigabit one in the works

mercutio

yeh idk. if it was gigabit maybe

grody

mercutio, ext.root on ext4 :P

mercutio

but at 100 megabit what's it good for?

gizmoguy

development

grody

tinkering

mercutio

maybe

gizmoguy

when you have written your home sdn controller
he will have a gigabit one ready for you to buy
the bigger problem is it's only a 3 port switch

mercutio

i suppose it is cheap
is that $64 USD?
plus like $15 postage or something

gizmoguy

$64 AUD oddly enough

grody

switch on these 841nd are gigabit and can switch to about 600mbps

mercutio

oh that's not so bad

grody

full port per port until you start maxing 3

mercutio

grody: it should do line rate?
does it have paypal?

grody

you can't get full switched speed when using all 5 ports in switch only

gizmoguy

mercutio: kickstarter?

mercutio

yeh

grody

it caps at about 600

gizmoguy

dunno, i just through my CC detailst heir way
threw even

mercutio

yeah i don't trust my cc out in the open
i have only one atm

gizmoguy

lets see

mercutio

does it do pppoe?

gizmoguy

looks like it's just credit card

grody

better security with cc's here
vs. a debit card that is

gizmoguy

mercutio: the zodiac board?

mercutio

grody: i got blocked by some idiot doing fraud once.
gizmoguy: yeh
and it was a pita

gizmoguy

so openflow doesn't really have PPP support yet

grody

i've had id theft before

gizmoguy

but the zodiac board has opensource firmware

mercutio

took like a week to get a new credit card

gizmoguy

so you could hack it in

mercutio

hmm
i don't know what i can use it for other than having both my dsl connections going to it

grody

i miss dual line
only have vdsl w/ hspa backup

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mercutio

mind you i'm at 100 megabit if i add up both lines.

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gizmoguy

only 100mbit :(

grody

hah nice.. if i got another vdsl i could hit 160/40

mercutio

hopefully it should go higher soon.

gizmoguy

I'm 200/200 at home

mercutio

gizmoguy: one's at 38.5, the other 61..
8b vs 17a

grody

i want an edocsis line, but alas, not cable running this way

mercutio

the 8b one has splitter and way more errors, the 17a one has no splitter, and way less errors. go figure.
i want to figure out how to get rid of the splitter.

gizmoguy

You looking forward to the new VDSL spectrum profile mercutio?

mercutio

gizmoguy: yes!
the 17a profile is on 35 megabit max upload atm

gizmoguy

I've had a couple trial VDSL lines for a while
it's pretty sweet

mercutio

and so i should be able to get way more than 10 megabit up.

gizmoguy

yip
I get ~40mbit up
on one of ours

mercutio

but download wise i don't really care.
60 megabit is fine.

gizmoguy

~80mbit down on the fastest VDSL line

grody

im quite happy with +10mbps up

mercutio

gizmoguy: how close are you?
80/40 would be sweet.

http://a.images.blip.tv/Qtv-LaCageAuxFollesStarGeorgeHamiltonInStudioQ923.jpg

gizmoguy

mercutio: there's about 10m of copper between our CPE and the ISAM :)

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mercutio

i wouldn't complain at that.
gizmoguy: oh.
it should be 30a then :)
gizmoguy: being in auckland, don't have ufb until 2019
because chorus.
it kind of sucks to be in a chorus area :(
i mean in theory i could move
but the areas that have ufb are really really expensive
except for henderson
and i wouldn't want to live in henderson.

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gizmoguy

come to hamilton
you work from home anyway ;)

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mercutio

heh
could be an idea.
it's an hours drive to auckland?
1d 13h duration, 3+ stops
Hamilton, Canada (YHM) to Auckland (AKL)
why does google think i want to fly from canada when i put it into google
1 h 48 min (124.6 km) via State Highway 1
damn 2 hours

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m0unds

George Hamilton?

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mercutio

hamilton is a city in new zealand
it's small like 100k people
so you're not likely to have heard of it
it's where gizmo lives

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m0unds

is it named after george hamilton?

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mercutio

it's named after the hamilton in england i imagine

[20:40]

m0unds

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mercutio

it's named after john hamilton
The settlement was founded on 24 August 1864 and named by Colonel William Moule after Captain John Fane Charles Hamilton,[10] the popular Scottish commander of HMS Esk, who was killed in the battle of Gate P??, Tauranga
apparently there are 140k peole living there now

[20:40]

mnathani_

mercutio: it didnt work in chrome, but worked fine in IE
any tips on updating a Surface pro 3 to windows 10
all my attempts have failed
I get the 'something happened' error messasge

[20:44]

mercutio

oh there's a fix for that i think

mnathani_

s/messasge/message

BryceBot

<mnathani_> I get the 'something happened' error message

mercutio

google "something happened" windows 10
oh hangon
i know how to fix that
download the iso
and then open iso and run setup.exe
you download that iso with that special tool thingy
http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/C/8/1C8BAF5C-9B7E-44FB-A90A-F58590B5DF7B/MediaCreationToolx64.exe
dunno if that link works or not

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

mnathani_

m0unds

there was some utility i downloaded to upgrade my fresh win7 bootcamp install to win10 today

mercutio

m0unds: probably that tool

mnathani_

I have a download link on that page, think its the same

mercutio

mnathani_: yeh probably
i could look at download history for that though

m0unds

i ran it on a fresh win7 install without a single update installed and it upgraded to win10
took about 10 mins

mercutio

looking at web history is much harder :)
oh hangon something happens from that
when you don't make the iso
so of course you already have it duh
yeah so in that program create the iso, mount the iso, click setup.exe

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mercutio

hmm

[21:24]

hazardous

was there just a network fart for a second or is it just me

[21:24]

m0unds

yup
was it on ipv4?

[21:26]

hazardous

looks like it

m0unds

connection to a v4-only irc network took a dump, ipv6 seems to have stayed up

hazardous

i was on a v4 ssh editing a config file when it happened
only reason i noticed, lol

mercutio

yeh somethign seemed to happen

m0unds

haha, that sucks
i blame gizmoguy

mnathani_

hazardous: were you in tmux / screen

hazardous

nope!
at least nano dumped my config into a .save file when ssh exited
that was helpful

m0unds

that was nice of it

mercutio

ssh exited?
it should have recovered.

mnathani_

eeks nano
I thought most people use vim

hazardous

i dunno, ssh dropped with broken pipe or something
(from terminal on a mac)

m0unds

i use whatever i feel like using at the moment, usually vim, sometimes nano

mercutio

ahh os x may retry less

gizmoguy

mercutio: :(

hazardous

i'm not really picky on text editors other than i'd prefer my text editor be a text editor, not an operating system that also implements a text editor
hazardous sets off flamewar

m0unds

haha
how dare ye