#arpnetworks 2015-07-29,Wed

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mercutioscrew it, i think i'm going to update to rtm
it takes about an hour?
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it can't fidn the new build :( [00:28]
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mnathani_Is it just me or are a lot of the Windows 10 links on the micrsosoft website broken?
We are sorry, the page you requested cannot be found.
http://www.windows.com/windows10upgrade
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m0undsthat link works for me
actually just finished upgrading my bootcamp windows install to 10 too
haha
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brycecMyself as well.
(re: working)
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m0undsi really like the ui for edge, looks nice [12:35]
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mercutiomnathani_: they use akamai i think
so it could be cached in different locations working / not working
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grodyim actually liking windows 10
might start using this laptop more
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mercutioi installed it in the end
because the normal update thing wasn't working
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grodyi reinstalled 7 on the 10TP and upgraded [14:23]
mercutioi just ran setup.exe off the iso
why did you reinstall 7?
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grodythe 10TP was only an eval, to get full i had to reinstall and verify win7 [14:24]
mercutioweird
well you are stuck on insider program i think normally?
i dunno
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grodyno idea [14:26]
mercutionope
it's free
you can stop insidder builds it seemse
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grodyhm
*shrug*
got a nice clean install now anywho
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mercutioyeah
i might clean install later
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i can still only get 800mb/sec read on network with windows 10, but can get 1200mb/sec write [14:40]
grodyhah
im still suffering from lack of roaming
[14:43]
mercutioi kind of would rather tha other way around [14:43]
grodyi have no idea why it prefers the weaker AP in the study [14:43]
mercutioapparently need to use a server version of OS to do rdma :(
did you remember to change your SSID?
you're meant to change your ssid to _optout_nomap at the end
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so this new windows server is going to support http/2 [14:50]
grodyhah yea good uses the _nomap
i cba w/ it any more
good?.. google
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mercutioand windows uses _optout to not share your password for ssid with microsoft
and your contacts
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grodyi dont has any windows contacts
used some dumb address too
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mercutiosomeon else using your ssid might
and all your neighbours get to see your ssid
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grodymeh [14:55]
mercutioso if people start seeing it more and more
then maybe people will start caring
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grodySofa King Fast and Where Did I Park My WiFi
2.4GHz here is flooded with default SSIDs
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mercutioheh
here it's liek tp-link and vodafone and blah
[14:56]
grodyBTHub, TalkTalk, VirginMedia, Sky here
guest wifi that has an antenna outside is "Freeloaders Paradise"
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brycecxfinitywifi and HOME-____ here :((( [14:58]
grodycan pick that up at the pub on the corner, brillianyt [14:58]
mercutiois it passwordless? [14:58]
grodyno
a friend over the back uses it, i use it at the pub and neighbours/guests can ask me to use it
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mercutiodo pubs there have wifi? [14:59]
grodymost of the time, but open
a handful actually incorperate wifi isolattion
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mercutioi thought wifi isolation was the default [15:00]
grodya lot of pubs use a BSkyB service called "TheCloud" which uses proper equipment, still open though
some use another by arqiva, which are and also egress filtered to hell
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mercutiois performance better than 3g? [15:02]
grodybut then i've seen a few by private/unknown companies that have absolute lack of interest
meh
here in the city center, not really
[15:02]
mercutioisn't bt adsl really slow? [15:03]
grodythey are mostly hosted of ADSL
yea, around the city from 12-19mbit
[15:03]
mercutiooh [15:03]
grodycan get 4G on Vidafone and hit 30mbps [15:03]
mercutioi thought it was usually like 5 or 6 km to exchange
12 to 19 megabit isn't too bad
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grodyexchange is close to city
townc enter rather
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mercutiodepends how big city centre is i suppose [15:04]
grodysmall town really, but technically a city [15:04]
mercutioahh
yeh probably good then :)
[15:04]
grodymy last place had OK ADSL, got 15mbps and was about 2.1km
also had eDOCSIS
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mercutioyeah that's not normal [15:05]
grodybut they never upgraded to FTTC [15:05]
mercutio15 megabit is good for 2.1km
you'd expect more like 11 or 12 megabit
but it depends how direct the route is etc
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grodythat was using an old (now defunt by looks) provider
BT equipment on same line was 10/11
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mercutioyou may use lower snr margins there too
we're stuck on 12db here
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grody♥ my vDSL line though
definately faster than i need, which is great
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mercutiovdsl having higher upload speed tends to make a bit of a difference [15:06]
grodyaye.. makes shaping a lot easier
always save 2/3mbit for ACKS, rest can do whatever and i will always be able to hit max download
was trying to explain to people on ADSL that if you saturate upload, you kill download (and ping times(
as soon as most people torrent or the like, they dont control upload and wonder why everything has slowed to hell
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mercutiowtf
why are you saving bw for ack's
yeh the upload thing you can't really fix on adsl
also there is high overhead for small packets
depending on how many cells it uses up
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m0undsugh, i don't miss having adsl [15:12]
mercutiovdsl is still high overhead
but it's lower
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m0undswouldn't know, it's rarely deployed anywhere in my city [15:13]
mercutioi kind of miss header compression that worked
i suppose it doesn't matter that much now days
but it used to use liek 5 bytes for 40 byte tcp/ip headers
it wasn't insignificant...
which meant on dialup you could get by with having 296 mtu
where normally that'd be kind of getting up there with overhead
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grodymercutio, well for return TCP (and TCP in UDP), that way all computers could max allocated upload but there be enough upload left for full downlink speed
it doesn't literally get saved for acks
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mercutiooh [17:44]
grodyboth routers cap upload to 15mbps, peaks to 17 when i download full speed (tcp)
not that i ever saturate either way for too long
could turn all shaping off and probably not notice a difference
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mercutioi'm fine with just fq_codel
nothing special
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grodyim not 100% sure thats even working here
since im NATless, i don't think it's conntracking anything
what is the overhead on FTTC?
the tech supports minijumbos here, so can save 8bytes at least
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is 76C hot for an E2200 when it's loaded out compiling stuff?
people keep telling me these CPU's shouldn't run that hot, but BIOS claims 86C is when it starts throttling and 100C when it clams right up
Core 0: +73.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 1: +71.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
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mercutiogrody: depends if it's dhcp or pppoe
76c is extremely hot for e2200
my i7-3770 runs cooler than that with no fan on heatsync
there's case fan though
and a huge heatsync
err i'm undervolting a little though
usually if it's that hot i'd suggest that hsf isn't mounted correctly or thermal paste not applied properly.
also in this modern age, you can replace an e2200 with e8400 cheaply and get like 50% boost in performance
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-SLB9J-Core-2-Duo-E8400-3-00-GHz-6MB-1333MHz-Socket-LGA775-CPU-Processor-/281702804346?hash=item4196cbab7a
they're pretty cheap on ebay..
has more cache, faster fsb, higher mhz
but it's still only dual core
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grodyhmm
PPPoE on this vDSL, but have an MTU of 1508 set (and being used), so no clamping MSS
yea, this e2200 is a little old and the rig is historic
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mercutioyeh as router it's probably fine [18:20]
grodygot this 0.1v undervolted atm [18:20]
mercutiowhy are you compiling on it? :)
i'm doing 1492 mtu for vdsl
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grodynah, it's a media server - but i offloaded some compiling to it now it's got more RAM using distcc [18:21]
mercutioi tried to do 1500, but can't seem to get modem to support 1508 mtu on ethernet :(
ahh
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grodynot many things can do the increased MTU
open does now, but required some fiddling the switch
on this thing
pfsense can't
why i run openwrt as the PPPoE client and then a pfSense
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mercutioyeh it's the modem that gets in my way [18:30]
grodymodems shipped by wholesaler (mandatory) support it fortunately
did read a rumour they are going to force all in once solutions
s/once/one/
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BryceBot<grody> did read a rumour they are going to force all in one solutions [18:37]
grodysome ISPs do that, Sky hide the user/pass and made it difficult to pull, Virgin force use of their equipment and BT now with vDSL (and any provider providing the platform) have to use BT issued modems [18:38]
mercutiodamn
i hate all in one
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m0undshaha: https://twitter.com/bmastenbrook/status/624726547400933376 [19:13]
BryceBotTWITTER: To maintain security, we're going to train you to type your password into random modal dialogs periodically. http://t.co/n0FUtsqGNw (Fri Jul 24 23:43:10 +0000 2015, retweeted 820 times) [19:13]
gizmoguy_Your IRC session has expired
To maintain security, your IRC session periodically expires. To reconnect to IRC, type /msg gizmoguy_ username password
TIL me and m0unds share the same password
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m0undsahahahah [19:20]
gizmoguy_TIL mercutio is too literal [19:22]
mercutio:)
you should use <username> <password>
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m0undsi fell for it regardless [19:24]
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gizmoguy_:O [19:25]
brycecI had no idea that my IRC session expired [19:25]
gizmoguywhy do you have a _ in your username anyway? [19:25]
gizmoguy_not sure.. [19:26]
gizmoguyhah on my normal irc both show up as the same colour even [19:26]
gizmoguy_it's my alt nick [19:26]
gizmoguyyou haven't registered gizmoguy [19:26]
gizmoguy_brycec: Congrats your IRC session is renewed. Enjoy the next 30 minutes of IRC entertainment
I used to have it registered
[19:26]
m0undshahaha [19:26]
gizmoguynow i do [19:26]
brycecyay [19:26]
gizmoguy_lol [19:26]
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mercutiobut yeah you may want to register it [19:27]
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gizmoguygizmoguy #juniper Cannot change nickname while banned on channel
that's why I couldn't be gizmoguy
no idea why I was banned on that chan
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mercutiofor not being registered
it happens when freenode has issues
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gizmoguyahh true [19:28]
mercutiowhich is less often than used to be the case
there was a split last night though
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gizmoguyNickServ(NickServ@services.)- Thank you for verifying your e-mail address! You have taken steps in ensuring that your registrations are not exploited.
hah you guys can't exploit me anymore
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grodyemphesis on 'taken steps' [19:29]
gizmoguyalso
This e-mail was sent due to a command from gizmoguy[~gizmoguy@2400:bd00:dead:beef::cafe]
you guys don't have as cool of an ipv6 address as me
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gizmoguy_now you guys can't exploit me anymore [19:29]
grodysure i do [19:30]
m0undshey gizmoguy, nickserv here, what's your email address and password so i can verify it's actually you? [19:30]
gizmoguy_ipv6 is deprecated [19:30]
gizmoguyOh no. this was all a ploy so gizmoguy_ could steal people's passwords from their expired IRC sessions! [19:30]
grody2607:f2f8:afa0::f00d:4:a11 [19:30]
gizmoguy_grody: f2f8 i reckon is kind of cool [19:30]
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gizmoguym0unds: gizmoguy@gmail.com lickmahb411z [19:30]
grodymy /48 @home is much funkier.. i have FB5D [19:31]
m0undsverified! thanks for making freenode safer and stuff [19:31]
gizmoguyOh should I have done that in private? oh well [19:31]
mercutiogizmoguy: your ipv6 address is too long [19:31]
gizmoguy:( [19:31]
mercutiomy one of ::1 is much better [19:31]
gizmoguy64 bytes from ::1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.027 ms [19:31]
grodyno place like ::1 [19:31]
gizmoguywow. auckland is pretty close to my desktop these days [19:32]
mercutioheh
64 bytes from ::1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.013 ms
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grody64 bytes from ::1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.038 ms
have a slower link
gaming on it is pointless
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mercutioi have cstates disabled i think
well the deep sleep ones
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BryceBotThat's what she said!! [19:34]
grodyoddly, she did to some degree
why im rebuilding all my openwrts
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gizmoguy15.04-rc3 grody?
running that on all my nodes at home
'tis good
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mercutioi assume someone here used to read slashdot [19:35]
grodyChaos Calmer r46518 [19:35]
mercutioremember how slashdot always seemed to go into beowulf clusters [19:35]
grodythat goes back some [19:35]
mercutioas if it somehow had some kind of relevance [19:35]
gizmoguyCHAOS CALMER (15.05-rc3, r46163)
I'm a few hundred commits behind. oh well
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grodygit-15.208.34629 [19:36]
mercutiobut why do you have multiple openwrt nodes gizmo [19:36]
grody4.1.3 kernsl in this [19:36]
gizmoguywell you see mercutio
I wanted some vlan trunks
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mercutiocan't your switch do that? [19:37]
gizmoguyI couldn't make my mikrotik work how I wanted (i really hate their config format)
and I had spare tplink boxes lying around
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mercutioahh
i have some tp-links lying around
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grodyopenwrt is quite epic for that [19:37]
mercutioopenwrt could be a lot better [19:37]
grodycan turn some routers into a fully managed switch [19:37]
gizmoguynext job is running openvswitch on my openwrt boxes [19:37]
mercutiowhat i really want to see is a nice distributed file system [19:38]
gizmoguyand doing some openflow on my home network [19:38]
staticsafedoing VLANs with RouterOS is a PITA [19:38]
mercutioso you can have decent packages available with hardly any nand [19:38]
gizmoguyoh that reminds me
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/northboundnetworks/zodiac-fx-the-worlds-smallest-openflow-sdn-switch/description
throw some money at this guy plz
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mercutiogizmoguy: 100 megabit
it should be sfp+ :/
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gizmoguy$64
I've been chatting to him privately, and he has a gigabit one in the works
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mercutioyeh idk. if it was gigabit maybe [19:38]
grodymercutio, ext.root on ext4 :P [19:38]
mercutiobut at 100 megabit what's it good for? [19:38]
gizmoguydevelopment [19:39]
grodytinkering [19:39]
mercutiomaybe [19:39]
gizmoguywhen you have written your home sdn controller
he will have a gigabit one ready for you to buy
the bigger problem is it's only a 3 port switch
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mercutioi suppose it is cheap
is that $64 USD?
plus like $15 postage or something
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gizmoguy$64 AUD oddly enough [19:40]
grodyswitch on these 841nd are gigabit and can switch to about 600mbps [19:40]
mercutiooh that's not so bad [19:40]
grodyfull port per port until you start maxing 3 [19:40]
mercutiogrody: it should do line rate?
does it have paypal?
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grodyyou can't get full switched speed when using all 5 ports in switch only [19:41]
gizmoguymercutio: kickstarter? [19:41]
mercutioyeh [19:41]
grodyit caps at about 600 [19:41]
gizmoguydunno, i just through my CC detailst heir way
threw even
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mercutioyeah i don't trust my cc out in the open
i have only one atm
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gizmoguylets see [19:42]
mercutiodoes it do pppoe? [19:42]
gizmoguylooks like it's just credit card [19:42]
grodybetter security with cc's here
vs. a debit card that is
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gizmoguymercutio: the zodiac board? [19:42]
mercutiogrody: i got blocked by some idiot doing fraud once.
gizmoguy: yeh
and it was a pita
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gizmoguyso openflow doesn't really have PPP support yet [19:42]
grodyi've had id theft before [19:43]
gizmoguybut the zodiac board has opensource firmware [19:43]
mercutiotook like a week to get a new credit card [19:43]
gizmoguyso you could hack it in [19:43]
mercutiohmm
i don't know what i can use it for other than having both my dsl connections going to it
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grodyi miss dual line
only have vdsl w/ hspa backup
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mercutiomind you i'm at 100 megabit if i add up both lines. [19:44]
gizmoguyonly 100mbit :( [19:45]
grodyhah nice.. if i got another vdsl i could hit 160/40 [19:45]
mercutiohopefully it should go higher soon. [19:45]
gizmoguyI'm 200/200 at home [19:45]
mercutiogizmoguy: one's at 38.5, the other 61..
8b vs 17a
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grodyi want an edocsis line, but alas, not cable running this way [19:45]
mercutiothe 8b one has splitter and way more errors, the 17a one has no splitter, and way less errors. go figure.
i want to figure out how to get rid of the splitter.
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gizmoguyYou looking forward to the new VDSL spectrum profile mercutio? [19:45]
mercutiogizmoguy: yes!
the 17a profile is on 35 megabit max upload atm
[19:45]
gizmoguyI've had a couple trial VDSL lines for a while
it's pretty sweet
[19:45]
mercutioand so i should be able to get way more than 10 megabit up. [19:46]
gizmoguyyip
I get ~40mbit up
on one of ours
[19:46]
mercutiobut download wise i don't really care.
60 megabit is fine.
[19:46]
gizmoguy~80mbit down on the fastest VDSL line [19:46]
grodyim quite happy with +10mbps up [19:46]
mercutiogizmoguy: how close are you?
80/40 would be sweet.
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gizmoguymercutio: there's about 10m of copper between our CPE and the ISAM :) [19:47]
mercutioi wouldn't complain at that.
gizmoguy: oh.
it should be 30a then :)
gizmoguy: being in auckland, don't have ufb until 2019
because chorus.
it kind of sucks to be in a chorus area :(
i mean in theory i could move
but the areas that have ufb are really really expensive
except for henderson
and i wouldn't want to live in henderson.
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gizmoguycome to hamilton
you work from home anyway ;)
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mercutioheh
could be an idea.
it's an hours drive to auckland?
1d 13h duration, 3+ stops
Hamilton, Canada (YHM) to Auckland (AKL)
why does google think i want to fly from canada when i put it into google
1 h 48 min (124.6 km) via State Highway 1
damn 2 hours
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m0undsGeorge Hamilton? [20:24]
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mercutiohamilton is a city in new zealand
it's small like 100k people
so you're not likely to have heard of it
it's where gizmo lives
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m0undsis it named after george hamilton? [20:39]
mercutioit's named after the hamilton in england i imagine [20:40]
m0undshttp://a.images.blip.tv/Qtv-LaCageAuxFollesStarGeorgeHamiltonInStudioQ923.jpg [20:40]
mercutioit's named after john hamilton
The settlement was founded on 24 August 1864 and named by Colonel William Moule after Captain John Fane Charles Hamilton,[10] the popular Scottish commander of HMS Esk, who was killed in the battle of Gate P??, Tauranga
apparently there are 140k peole living there now
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mnathani_mercutio: it didnt work in chrome, but worked fine in IE
any tips on updating a Surface pro 3 to windows 10
all my attempts have failed
I get the 'something happened' error messasge
[20:44]
mercutiooh there's a fix for that i think [20:45]
mnathani_s/messasge/message [20:45]
BryceBot<mnathani_> I get the 'something happened' error message [20:45]
mercutiogoogle "something happened" windows 10
oh hangon
i know how to fix that
download the iso
and then open iso and run setup.exe
you download that iso with that special tool thingy
http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/C/8/1C8BAF5C-9B7E-44FB-A90A-F58590B5DF7B/MediaCreationToolx64.exe
dunno if that link works or not
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mnathani_https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 [20:46]
m0undsthere was some utility i downloaded to upgrade my fresh win7 bootcamp install to win10 today [20:46]
mercutiom0unds: probably that tool [20:46]
mnathani_I have a download link on that page, think its the same [20:46]
mercutiomnathani_: yeh probably
i could look at download history for that though
[20:46]
m0undsi ran it on a fresh win7 install without a single update installed and it upgraded to win10
took about 10 mins
[20:46]
mercutiolooking at web history is much harder :)
oh hangon something happens from that
when you don't make the iso
so of course you already have it duh
yeah so in that program create the iso, mount the iso, click setup.exe
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mercutiohmm [21:24]
hazardouswas there just a network fart for a second or is it just me [21:24]
m0undsyup
was it on ipv4?
[21:26]
hazardouslooks like it [21:27]
m0undsconnection to a v4-only irc network took a dump, ipv6 seems to have stayed up [21:27]
hazardousi was on a v4 ssh editing a config file when it happened
only reason i noticed, lol
[21:27]
mercutioyeh somethign seemed to happen [21:27]
m0undshaha, that sucks
i blame gizmoguy
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mnathani_hazardous: were you in tmux / screen [21:27]
hazardousnope!
at least nano dumped my config into a .save file when ssh exited
that was helpful
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m0undsthat was nice of it [21:28]
mercutiossh exited?
it should have recovered.
[21:28]
mnathani_eeks nano
I thought most people use vim
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hazardousi dunno, ssh dropped with broken pipe or something
(from terminal on a mac)
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m0undsi use whatever i feel like using at the moment, usually vim, sometimes nano [21:29]
mercutioahh os x may retry less [21:29]
gizmoguymercutio: :( [21:29]
hazardousi'm not really picky on text editors other than i'd prefer my text editor be a text editor, not an operating system that also implements a text editor
hazardous sets off flamewar
[21:29]
m0undshaha
how dare ye
[21:29]
mercutiolooks like he.net's having issues [21:30]
smokeping suggests there was any2ix issue [21:42]
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