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mercutio | screw it, i think i'm going to update to rtm
it takes about an hour? | [00:07] |
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it can't fidn the new build :( | [00:28] | |
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mnathani_ | Is it just me or are a lot of the Windows 10 links on the micrsosoft website broken?
We are sorry, the page you requested cannot be found. http://www.windows.com/windows10upgrade | [12:01] |
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m0unds | that link works for me
actually just finished upgrading my bootcamp windows install to 10 too haha | [12:27] |
brycec | Myself as well.
(re: working) | [12:27] |
m0unds | i really like the ui for edge, looks nice | [12:35] |
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mercutio | mnathani_: they use akamai i think
so it could be cached in different locations working / not working | [14:22] |
grody | im actually liking windows 10
might start using this laptop more | [14:23] |
mercutio | i installed it in the end
because the normal update thing wasn't working | [14:23] |
grody | i reinstalled 7 on the 10TP and upgraded | [14:23] |
mercutio | i just ran setup.exe off the iso
why did you reinstall 7? | [14:24] |
grody | the 10TP was only an eval, to get full i had to reinstall and verify win7 | [14:24] |
mercutio | weird
well you are stuck on insider program i think normally? i dunno | [14:25] |
grody | no idea | [14:26] |
mercutio | nope
it's free you can stop insidder builds it seemse | [14:26] |
grody | hm
*shrug* got a nice clean install now anywho | [14:26] |
mercutio | yeah
i might clean install later | [14:26] |
i can still only get 800mb/sec read on network with windows 10, but can get 1200mb/sec write | [14:40] | |
grody | hah
im still suffering from lack of roaming | [14:43] |
mercutio | i kind of would rather tha other way around | [14:43] |
grody | i have no idea why it prefers the weaker AP in the study | [14:43] |
mercutio | apparently need to use a server version of OS to do rdma :(
did you remember to change your SSID? you're meant to change your ssid to _optout_nomap at the end | [14:43] |
so this new windows server is going to support http/2 | [14:50] | |
grody | hah yea good uses the _nomap
i cba w/ it any more good?.. google | [14:53] |
mercutio | and windows uses _optout to not share your password for ssid with microsoft
and your contacts | [14:54] |
grody | i dont has any windows contacts
used some dumb address too | [14:54] |
mercutio | someon else using your ssid might
and all your neighbours get to see your ssid | [14:54] |
grody | meh | [14:55] |
mercutio | so if people start seeing it more and more
then maybe people will start caring | [14:55] |
grody | Sofa King Fast and Where Did I Park My WiFi
2.4GHz here is flooded with default SSIDs | [14:55] |
mercutio | heh
here it's liek tp-link and vodafone and blah | [14:56] |
grody | BTHub, TalkTalk, VirginMedia, Sky here
guest wifi that has an antenna outside is "Freeloaders Paradise" | [14:57] |
brycec | xfinitywifi and HOME-____ here :((( | [14:58] |
grody | can pick that up at the pub on the corner, brillianyt | [14:58] |
mercutio | is it passwordless? | [14:58] |
grody | no
a friend over the back uses it, i use it at the pub and neighbours/guests can ask me to use it | [14:58] |
mercutio | do pubs there have wifi? | [14:59] |
grody | most of the time, but open
a handful actually incorperate wifi isolattion | [14:59] |
mercutio | i thought wifi isolation was the default | [15:00] |
grody | a lot of pubs use a BSkyB service called "TheCloud" which uses proper equipment, still open though
some use another by arqiva, which are and also egress filtered to hell | [15:02] |
mercutio | is performance better than 3g? | [15:02] |
grody | but then i've seen a few by private/unknown companies that have absolute lack of interest
meh here in the city center, not really | [15:02] |
mercutio | isn't bt adsl really slow? | [15:03] |
grody | they are mostly hosted of ADSL
yea, around the city from 12-19mbit | [15:03] |
mercutio | oh | [15:03] |
grody | can get 4G on Vidafone and hit 30mbps | [15:03] |
mercutio | i thought it was usually like 5 or 6 km to exchange
12 to 19 megabit isn't too bad | [15:03] |
grody | exchange is close to city
townc enter rather | [15:03] |
mercutio | depends how big city centre is i suppose | [15:04] |
grody | small town really, but technically a city | [15:04] |
mercutio | ahh
yeh probably good then :) | [15:04] |
grody | my last place had OK ADSL, got 15mbps and was about 2.1km
also had eDOCSIS | [15:04] |
mercutio | yeah that's not normal | [15:05] |
grody | but they never upgraded to FTTC | [15:05] |
mercutio | 15 megabit is good for 2.1km
you'd expect more like 11 or 12 megabit but it depends how direct the route is etc | [15:05] |
grody | that was using an old (now defunt by looks) provider
BT equipment on same line was 10/11 | [15:05] |
mercutio | you may use lower snr margins there too
we're stuck on 12db here | [15:05] |
grody | ♥ my vDSL line though
definately faster than i need, which is great | [15:06] |
mercutio | vdsl having higher upload speed tends to make a bit of a difference | [15:06] |
grody | aye.. makes shaping a lot easier
always save 2/3mbit for ACKS, rest can do whatever and i will always be able to hit max download was trying to explain to people on ADSL that if you saturate upload, you kill download (and ping times( as soon as most people torrent or the like, they dont control upload and wonder why everything has slowed to hell | [15:07] |
mercutio | wtf
why are you saving bw for ack's yeh the upload thing you can't really fix on adsl also there is high overhead for small packets depending on how many cells it uses up | [15:11] |
m0unds | ugh, i don't miss having adsl | [15:12] |
mercutio | vdsl is still high overhead
but it's lower | [15:12] |
m0unds | wouldn't know, it's rarely deployed anywhere in my city | [15:13] |
mercutio | i kind of miss header compression that worked
i suppose it doesn't matter that much now days but it used to use liek 5 bytes for 40 byte tcp/ip headers it wasn't insignificant... which meant on dialup you could get by with having 296 mtu where normally that'd be kind of getting up there with overhead | [15:13] |
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grody | mercutio, well for return TCP (and TCP in UDP), that way all computers could max allocated upload but there be enough upload left for full downlink speed
it doesn't literally get saved for acks | [17:44] |
mercutio | oh | [17:44] |
grody | both routers cap upload to 15mbps, peaks to 17 when i download full speed (tcp)
not that i ever saturate either way for too long could turn all shaping off and probably not notice a difference | [17:45] |
mercutio | i'm fine with just fq_codel
nothing special | [17:46] |
grody | im not 100% sure thats even working here
since im NATless, i don't think it's conntracking anything what is the overhead on FTTC? the tech supports minijumbos here, so can save 8bytes at least | [17:47] |
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is 76C hot for an E2200 when it's loaded out compiling stuff?
people keep telling me these CPU's shouldn't run that hot, but BIOS claims 86C is when it starts throttling and 100C when it clams right up Core 0: +73.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C) Core 1: +71.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C) | [18:08] | |
mercutio | grody: depends if it's dhcp or pppoe
76c is extremely hot for e2200 my i7-3770 runs cooler than that with no fan on heatsync there's case fan though and a huge heatsync err i'm undervolting a little though usually if it's that hot i'd suggest that hsf isn't mounted correctly or thermal paste not applied properly. also in this modern age, you can replace an e2200 with e8400 cheaply and get like 50% boost in performance http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-SLB9J-Core-2-Duo-E8400-3-00-GHz-6MB-1333MHz-Socket-LGA775-CPU-Processor-/281702804346?hash=item4196cbab7a they're pretty cheap on ebay.. has more cache, faster fsb, higher mhz but it's still only dual core | [18:15] |
grody | hmm
PPPoE on this vDSL, but have an MTU of 1508 set (and being used), so no clamping MSS yea, this e2200 is a little old and the rig is historic | [18:19] |
mercutio | yeh as router it's probably fine | [18:20] |
grody | got this 0.1v undervolted atm | [18:20] |
mercutio | why are you compiling on it? :)
i'm doing 1492 mtu for vdsl | [18:20] |
grody | nah, it's a media server - but i offloaded some compiling to it now it's got more RAM using distcc | [18:21] |
mercutio | i tried to do 1500, but can't seem to get modem to support 1508 mtu on ethernet :(
ahh | [18:21] |
grody | not many things can do the increased MTU
open does now, but required some fiddling the switch on this thing pfsense can't why i run openwrt as the PPPoE client and then a pfSense | [18:22] |
mercutio | yeh it's the modem that gets in my way | [18:30] |
grody | modems shipped by wholesaler (mandatory) support it fortunately
did read a rumour they are going to force all in once solutions s/once/one/ | [18:36] |
BryceBot | <grody> did read a rumour they are going to force all in one solutions | [18:37] |
grody | some ISPs do that, Sky hide the user/pass and made it difficult to pull, Virgin force use of their equipment and BT now with vDSL (and any provider providing the platform) have to use BT issued modems | [18:38] |
mercutio | damn
i hate all in one | [18:52] |
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m0unds | haha: https://twitter.com/bmastenbrook/status/624726547400933376 | [19:13] |
BryceBot | TWITTER: To maintain security, we're going to train you to type your password into random modal dialogs periodically. http://t.co/n0FUtsqGNw (Fri Jul 24 23:43:10 +0000 2015, retweeted 820 times) | [19:13] |
gizmoguy_ | Your IRC session has expired
To maintain security, your IRC session periodically expires. To reconnect to IRC, type /msg gizmoguy_ username password TIL me and m0unds share the same password | [19:18] |
m0unds | ahahahah | [19:20] |
gizmoguy_ | TIL mercutio is too literal | [19:22] |
mercutio | :)
you should use <username> <password> | [19:22] |
m0unds | i fell for it regardless | [19:24] |
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gizmoguy_ | :O | [19:25] |
brycec | I had no idea that my IRC session expired | [19:25] |
gizmoguy | why do you have a _ in your username anyway? | [19:25] |
gizmoguy_ | not sure.. | [19:26] |
gizmoguy | hah on my normal irc both show up as the same colour even | [19:26] |
gizmoguy_ | it's my alt nick | [19:26] |
gizmoguy | you haven't registered gizmoguy | [19:26] |
gizmoguy_ | brycec: Congrats your IRC session is renewed. Enjoy the next 30 minutes of IRC entertainment
I used to have it registered | [19:26] |
m0unds | hahaha | [19:26] |
gizmoguy | now i do | [19:26] |
brycec | yay | [19:26] |
gizmoguy_ | lol | [19:26] |
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mercutio | but yeah you may want to register it | [19:27] |
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gizmoguy | gizmoguy #juniper Cannot change nickname while banned on channel
that's why I couldn't be gizmoguy no idea why I was banned on that chan | [19:27] |
mercutio | for not being registered
it happens when freenode has issues | [19:28] |
gizmoguy | ahh true | [19:28] |
mercutio | which is less often than used to be the case
there was a split last night though | [19:28] |
gizmoguy | NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Thank you for verifying your e-mail address! You have taken steps in ensuring that your registrations are not exploited.
hah you guys can't exploit me anymore | [19:28] |
grody | emphesis on 'taken steps' | [19:29] |
gizmoguy | also
This e-mail was sent due to a command from gizmoguy[~gizmoguy@2400:bd00:dead:beef::cafe] you guys don't have as cool of an ipv6 address as me | [19:29] |
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gizmoguy_ | now you guys can't exploit me anymore | [19:29] |
grody | sure i do | [19:30] |
m0unds | hey gizmoguy, nickserv here, what's your email address and password so i can verify it's actually you? | [19:30] |
gizmoguy_ | ipv6 is deprecated | [19:30] |
gizmoguy | Oh no. this was all a ploy so gizmoguy_ could steal people's passwords from their expired IRC sessions! | [19:30] |
grody | 2607:f2f8:afa0::f00d:4:a11 | [19:30] |
gizmoguy_ | grody: f2f8 i reckon is kind of cool | [19:30] |
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gizmoguy | m0unds: gizmoguy@gmail.com lickmahb411z | [19:30] |
grody | my /48 @home is much funkier.. i have FB5D | [19:31] |
m0unds | verified! thanks for making freenode safer and stuff | [19:31] |
gizmoguy | Oh should I have done that in private? oh well | [19:31] |
mercutio | gizmoguy: your ipv6 address is too long | [19:31] |
gizmoguy | :( | [19:31] |
mercutio | my one of ::1 is much better | [19:31] |
gizmoguy | 64 bytes from ::1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.027 ms | [19:31] |
grody | no place like ::1 | [19:31] |
gizmoguy | wow. auckland is pretty close to my desktop these days | [19:32] |
mercutio | heh
64 bytes from ::1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.013 ms | [19:32] |
grody | 64 bytes from ::1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.038 ms
have a slower link gaming on it is pointless | [19:33] |
mercutio | i have cstates disabled i think
well the deep sleep ones | [19:33] |
BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [19:34] |
grody | oddly, she did to some degree
why im rebuilding all my openwrts | [19:34] |
gizmoguy | 15.04-rc3 grody?
running that on all my nodes at home 'tis good | [19:35] |
mercutio | i assume someone here used to read slashdot | [19:35] |
grody | Chaos Calmer r46518 | [19:35] |
mercutio | remember how slashdot always seemed to go into beowulf clusters | [19:35] |
grody | that goes back some | [19:35] |
mercutio | as if it somehow had some kind of relevance | [19:35] |
gizmoguy | CHAOS CALMER (15.05-rc3, r46163)
I'm a few hundred commits behind. oh well | [19:35] |
grody | git-15.208.34629 | [19:36] |
mercutio | but why do you have multiple openwrt nodes gizmo | [19:36] |
grody | 4.1.3 kernsl in this | [19:36] |
gizmoguy | well you see mercutio
I wanted some vlan trunks | [19:36] |
mercutio | can't your switch do that? | [19:37] |
gizmoguy | I couldn't make my mikrotik work how I wanted (i really hate their config format)
and I had spare tplink boxes lying around | [19:37] |
mercutio | ahh
i have some tp-links lying around | [19:37] |
grody | openwrt is quite epic for that | [19:37] |
mercutio | openwrt could be a lot better | [19:37] |
grody | can turn some routers into a fully managed switch | [19:37] |
gizmoguy | next job is running openvswitch on my openwrt boxes | [19:37] |
mercutio | what i really want to see is a nice distributed file system | [19:38] |
gizmoguy | and doing some openflow on my home network | [19:38] |
staticsafe | doing VLANs with RouterOS is a PITA | [19:38] |
mercutio | so you can have decent packages available with hardly any nand | [19:38] |
gizmoguy | oh that reminds me
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/northboundnetworks/zodiac-fx-the-worlds-smallest-openflow-sdn-switch/description throw some money at this guy plz | [19:38] |
mercutio | gizmoguy: 100 megabit
it should be sfp+ :/ | [19:38] |
gizmoguy | $64
I've been chatting to him privately, and he has a gigabit one in the works | [19:38] |
mercutio | yeh idk. if it was gigabit maybe | [19:38] |
grody | mercutio, ext.root on ext4 :P | [19:38] |
mercutio | but at 100 megabit what's it good for? | [19:38] |
gizmoguy | development | [19:39] |
grody | tinkering | [19:39] |
mercutio | maybe | [19:39] |
gizmoguy | when you have written your home sdn controller
he will have a gigabit one ready for you to buy the bigger problem is it's only a 3 port switch | [19:39] |
mercutio | i suppose it is cheap
is that $64 USD? plus like $15 postage or something | [19:39] |
gizmoguy | $64 AUD oddly enough | [19:40] |
grody | switch on these 841nd are gigabit and can switch to about 600mbps | [19:40] |
mercutio | oh that's not so bad | [19:40] |
grody | full port per port until you start maxing 3 | [19:40] |
mercutio | grody: it should do line rate?
does it have paypal? | [19:40] |
grody | you can't get full switched speed when using all 5 ports in switch only | [19:41] |
gizmoguy | mercutio: kickstarter? | [19:41] |
mercutio | yeh | [19:41] |
grody | it caps at about 600 | [19:41] |
gizmoguy | dunno, i just through my CC detailst heir way
threw even | [19:41] |
mercutio | yeah i don't trust my cc out in the open
i have only one atm | [19:41] |
gizmoguy | lets see | [19:42] |
mercutio | does it do pppoe? | [19:42] |
gizmoguy | looks like it's just credit card | [19:42] |
grody | better security with cc's here
vs. a debit card that is | [19:42] |
gizmoguy | mercutio: the zodiac board? | [19:42] |
mercutio | grody: i got blocked by some idiot doing fraud once.
gizmoguy: yeh and it was a pita | [19:42] |
gizmoguy | so openflow doesn't really have PPP support yet | [19:42] |
grody | i've had id theft before | [19:43] |
gizmoguy | but the zodiac board has opensource firmware | [19:43] |
mercutio | took like a week to get a new credit card | [19:43] |
gizmoguy | so you could hack it in | [19:43] |
mercutio | hmm
i don't know what i can use it for other than having both my dsl connections going to it | [19:43] |
grody | i miss dual line
only have vdsl w/ hspa backup | [19:44] |
mercutio | mind you i'm at 100 megabit if i add up both lines. | [19:44] |
gizmoguy | only 100mbit :( | [19:45] |
grody | hah nice.. if i got another vdsl i could hit 160/40 | [19:45] |
mercutio | hopefully it should go higher soon. | [19:45] |
gizmoguy | I'm 200/200 at home | [19:45] |
mercutio | gizmoguy: one's at 38.5, the other 61..
8b vs 17a | [19:45] |
grody | i want an edocsis line, but alas, not cable running this way | [19:45] |
mercutio | the 8b one has splitter and way more errors, the 17a one has no splitter, and way less errors. go figure.
i want to figure out how to get rid of the splitter. | [19:45] |
gizmoguy | You looking forward to the new VDSL spectrum profile mercutio? | [19:45] |
mercutio | gizmoguy: yes!
the 17a profile is on 35 megabit max upload atm | [19:45] |
gizmoguy | I've had a couple trial VDSL lines for a while
it's pretty sweet | [19:45] |
mercutio | and so i should be able to get way more than 10 megabit up. | [19:46] |
gizmoguy | yip
I get ~40mbit up on one of ours | [19:46] |
mercutio | but download wise i don't really care.
60 megabit is fine. | [19:46] |
gizmoguy | ~80mbit down on the fastest VDSL line | [19:46] |
grody | im quite happy with +10mbps up | [19:46] |
mercutio | gizmoguy: how close are you?
80/40 would be sweet. | [19:46] |
gizmoguy | mercutio: there's about 10m of copper between our CPE and the ISAM :) | [19:47] |
mercutio | i wouldn't complain at that.
gizmoguy: oh. it should be 30a then :) gizmoguy: being in auckland, don't have ufb until 2019 because chorus. it kind of sucks to be in a chorus area :( i mean in theory i could move but the areas that have ufb are really really expensive except for henderson and i wouldn't want to live in henderson. | [19:47] |
gizmoguy | come to hamilton
you work from home anyway ;) | [19:49] |
mercutio | heh
could be an idea. it's an hours drive to auckland? 1d 13h duration, 3+ stops Hamilton, Canada (YHM) to Auckland (AKL) why does google think i want to fly from canada when i put it into google 1 h 48 min (124.6 km) via State Highway 1 damn 2 hours | [19:50] |
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m0unds | George Hamilton? | [20:24] |
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mercutio | hamilton is a city in new zealand
it's small like 100k people so you're not likely to have heard of it it's where gizmo lives | [20:39] |
m0unds | is it named after george hamilton? | [20:39] |
mercutio | it's named after the hamilton in england i imagine | [20:40] |
m0unds | http://a.images.blip.tv/Qtv-LaCageAuxFollesStarGeorgeHamiltonInStudioQ923.jpg | [20:40] |
mercutio | it's named after john hamilton
The settlement was founded on 24 August 1864 and named by Colonel William Moule after Captain John Fane Charles Hamilton,[10] the popular Scottish commander of HMS Esk, who was killed in the battle of Gate P??, Tauranga apparently there are 140k peole living there now | [20:40] |
mnathani_ | mercutio: it didnt work in chrome, but worked fine in IE
any tips on updating a Surface pro 3 to windows 10 all my attempts have failed I get the 'something happened' error messasge | [20:44] |
mercutio | oh there's a fix for that i think | [20:45] |
mnathani_ | s/messasge/message | [20:45] |
BryceBot | <mnathani_> I get the 'something happened' error message | [20:45] |
mercutio | google "something happened" windows 10
oh hangon i know how to fix that download the iso and then open iso and run setup.exe you download that iso with that special tool thingy http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/C/8/1C8BAF5C-9B7E-44FB-A90A-F58590B5DF7B/MediaCreationToolx64.exe dunno if that link works or not | [20:45] |
mnathani_ | https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 | [20:46] |
m0unds | there was some utility i downloaded to upgrade my fresh win7 bootcamp install to win10 today | [20:46] |
mercutio | m0unds: probably that tool | [20:46] |
mnathani_ | I have a download link on that page, think its the same | [20:46] |
mercutio | mnathani_: yeh probably
i could look at download history for that though | [20:46] |
m0unds | i ran it on a fresh win7 install without a single update installed and it upgraded to win10
took about 10 mins | [20:46] |
mercutio | looking at web history is much harder :)
oh hangon something happens from that when you don't make the iso so of course you already have it duh yeah so in that program create the iso, mount the iso, click setup.exe | [20:46] |
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mercutio | hmm | [21:24] |
hazardous | was there just a network fart for a second or is it just me | [21:24] |
m0unds | yup
was it on ipv4? | [21:26] |
hazardous | looks like it | [21:27] |
m0unds | connection to a v4-only irc network took a dump, ipv6 seems to have stayed up | [21:27] |
hazardous | i was on a v4 ssh editing a config file when it happened
only reason i noticed, lol | [21:27] |
mercutio | yeh somethign seemed to happen | [21:27] |
m0unds | haha, that sucks
i blame gizmoguy | [21:27] |
mnathani_ | hazardous: were you in tmux / screen | [21:27] |
hazardous | nope!
at least nano dumped my config into a .save file when ssh exited that was helpful | [21:28] |
m0unds | that was nice of it | [21:28] |
mercutio | ssh exited?
it should have recovered. | [21:28] |
mnathani_ | eeks nano
I thought most people use vim | [21:28] |
hazardous | i dunno, ssh dropped with broken pipe or something
(from terminal on a mac) | [21:28] |
m0unds | i use whatever i feel like using at the moment, usually vim, sometimes nano | [21:29] |
mercutio | ahh os x may retry less | [21:29] |
gizmoguy | mercutio: :( | [21:29] |
hazardous | i'm not really picky on text editors other than i'd prefer my text editor be a text editor, not an operating system that also implements a text editor
hazardous sets off flamewar | [21:29] |
m0unds | haha
how dare ye | [21:29] |
mercutio | looks like he.net's having issues | [21:30] |
smokeping suggests there was any2ix issue | [21:42] | |
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