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| kellytk | I've spent time living in Alaska. It's nice for the kinds of things I like to do | [00:07] |
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| mnathani | is there a way to force certain nicks to be a certain color? (using weechat) brycec and m0unds end up the same color, due to same length I guess | [12:19] |
| brycec | What client? | [12:19] |
| mnathani | weechat | [12:19] |
| brycec | hm, nothing off the top of my head
I'd never even thought about it before | [12:19] |
| mnathani | http://imgur.com/NOOlvqh
end up with something like that ^ | [12:21] |
| brycec | heh yeah I know what you mean, I see it in other channels [if I look for it]
m0unds doesn't bother me because I show up white on my own screen :D (and m0unds is grey) | [12:21] |
| m0unds | I AM NOT | [12:22] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [12:22] |
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| m0unds | okay, maybe a little grey | [12:26] |
| brycec | haha
mnathani: look into the irc.look.nick_color_force setting Or consider changing irc.look.nick_color_hash | [12:28] |
| mnathani | I came across : https://weechat.org/scripts/source/quick_force_color.py.html/
installed the script, but I am having trouble with the syntax Think I got it working just need m0unds to say something now :-) | [12:34] |
| brycec | That script actually reads that setting nick_color_force = weechat.config_string(weechat.config_get('irc.look.nick_color_force')) # get list | [12:39] |
| m0unds | >:| | [12:39] |
| mnathani | great! thanks brycec, m0unds is now red | [12:39] |
| brycec | Because he's in NM? | [12:39] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [12:39] |
| mnathani | is that a red state? | [12:42] |
| m0unds | i'd say it's mostly green and brown | [12:44] |
| brycec | It's full of red-ish rocks. Plus native Americans that are racistly called "reds"
or "red skins" | [12:44] |
| m0unds | i refrained from making any red man jokes | [12:44] |
| brycec | So did I. I'm just stating facts >.>
<.< | [12:44] |
| m0unds | only because i worried about context
i am curious why i'm red though | [12:44] |
| mnathani | just an unused color for your nick
previously I had both m0unds and brycec 's nicks as teal and that got a bit confusing | [12:46] |
| m0unds | ah, gotcha
as long as there's no deeper, insidious meaning to it | [12:47] |
| mnathani | none | [12:47] |
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| mercutio | https://2ton.com.au/rwasa/
anyone came across this? | [13:30] |
| m0unds | nope. sounds fun though. | [13:40] |
| mercutio | they've got a library that does ssh etc
you can ssh to 202.49.71.24 on port 4001 with no password and talk :) there was someone else who did some light ssh talk thing i seem to recall the cool thing about this talk is it shows people typing i'm in "testroom" | [13:40] |
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| mercutio | has everyone disabled mms on android yet?
think this must be the biggest exploit in a long time can hack most android phones with a txt message. | [16:02] |
| "Settings -> SMS -> Auto Retrieve MMS -> Uncheck" is meant to mitigate it in messaging app | [16:08] | |
| gizmoguy | silly android | [16:10] |
| mercutio | yeah i've never been impressed by android
there should be OS updates without reboot and security updates for "old" versions a phone having at least 3 years of security updates sounds reasonable to me and thie whole update breaking everything thing is kind of disconcerting too | [16:10] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [16:11] |
| mercutio | really i think android 2 should still get updates :)
but i assume iphone is the same way, as os x forces updates a lot and dropped ppc support really quickly etc | [16:11] |
| brycec | iOS is definitely the same way, and even worse in other ways. The "difference" is that Apple controls both hardware, software and distribution. Android devices only get updates when their manufacturers decide to update it, which isn't Android's fault itself, and then those updates usually have to be screened/tested by each carrier before they're pushed out to devices.
iOS-wise, if you have a device running 4.x for instance, tough luck, no updates for you. Worse still (IMO) is that not only do app developers move on too and mark their latest version as requiring 5.x, but your 4.x device can't even download the latest update that supported 4.x. (Android's Play Store, I believe, does at least allow this) | [16:16] |
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| brycec | Quite frankly, as a developer of both software and hardware at various times in my life, I am not beholden to You People who are running ancient, archaic software. I have much better shit to do than to try and fix your 5 year-old phone's software. If you want to run the latest, least-buggy software, then you need to upgrade too.
(This comes after I was instructed I still had to include Windows XP support in a work project) | [16:20] |
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| m0unds | as of 4.0.x i believe play svcs provides updated API levels of later versions of android without actually needing to update the os
but i agree, it's shitty to have to keep dragging along support for ancient hardware/software "just because" there are still people who refuse to move on from win98 and win2k | [16:24] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [16:28] |
| m0unds | BryceBot: no | [16:28] |
| BryceBot | Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'there are still people who refuse to move on from win98 and win2k' | [16:28] |
| mercutio | Brycec: you can't get updates for 5 year old phones.
most devices still don't even have android 5 a lot don't even have android 4.4 4.2 seems pretty common, and 4.3 is apparently when they started hardening things up. i suppose something more akin would be whether to support ubuntu precise, and windows 2008 err and windows 7 | [16:42] |
| m0unds | well, the thing with those is that a central party controls updates
so it's different in that regard than android, unless you're talking about nexus devices since google controls updates for those unless you're talking about the cdma galaxy nexus, which was a mess anyway | [16:45] |
| mercutio | hmm | [16:45] |
| m0unds | verizon controlled the updates for it | [16:45] |
| mercutio | for things like messaging apps it would be nice if you can update without rebooting
i think part of the problem is this whole way of having a firmware image that has a base OS on it, that packages for some stuff are then installed on top of where all the core stuff is non-trivial to update. openwrt, routers, voip phones etc are all the same way. well without packages so much.. and part of the reasoning behind that was due to limited writes available, which newer nand etc is improving also linux is starting to offer support for hot patching in mainline now. so yeah, hopefully soon people will start implementing reboot less updates regularly. | [16:46] |
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| brycec | I thought that was the point I was making. 16:40:07 mercutio | Brycec: you can't get updates for 5 year old phones. | [17:51] |
| mercutio | oh i thought you meant 5 year old software
oops :) | [17:52] |
| brycec | 5 year old anything :P Though it's less about age and more about the number of revisions in hardware since | [17:52] |
| m0unds | if any of you android users happen to also enjoy neogeo games: https://www.humblebundle.com/mobile | [17:54] |
| brycec | Android updates aren't "images" (though those exist) but actually .zip files that are unpacked on to a filesystem. It's just that filesystem is mounted read-only (for obvious reasons) so anything modifying it has/should reboot anyways (into "recovery" which is isolated and "safe") | [17:54] |
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| m0unds | the only time i've seen anything other than incremental OTA zips is when using fastboot to flash actual images | [17:55] |
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| brycec | I cannot speak to iOS updates, at least not to the same degree, because I have very little experience there. I have a 2nd gen iPod Touch that is permanently stuck at iOS 3.1.2 and can't get any app updates because all the app devs have moved on to require newer iOS versions. | [17:55] |
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| brycec | brycec <3 fastbook
*fastboot and adb | [17:55] |
| m0unds | yup | [17:55] |
| mnathani_ | Busines must be good, dedicated servers sold out | [17:55] |
| brycec | As a hardware dev, Google and their Nexus phoens are pretty top notch. | [17:55] |
| m0unds | one of my fav cyngn features (not sure if it's in aosp) is wireless adb | [17:55] |
| brycec | That's stock. | [17:56] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [17:56] |
| m0unds | m0unds doesn't have any aosp devices | [17:56] |
| brycec | But CM made a button to enable it.
I have AOSP and Google/Android stuff :) m0unds: For instance I've used https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ttxapps.wifiadb to give me an easy button. | [17:56] |
| m0unds | ah | [17:57] |
| brycec | If only wifi adb worked during [re]boot :p | [17:57] |
| m0unds | yea, i only use it for shell or dumping logs
if i need to call a reboot i'll grab a usb cable | [17:57] |
| brycec | logcat is handy but dear goodness it could really use a gooey frontend to help with filtering. | [17:58] |
| m0unds | yeah, it's kind of annoying
i like dumpsys stuff super handy when gcm stops working because ipv6 in android sucks | [17:58] |
| brycec | heh | [17:59] |
| m0unds | allegedly, google is trying to move away from dhcpcd because there are tons of issues with it | [18:00] |
| mercutio | if it's a zip file for updates why does it need to recompile 180 apps or whatever | [18:01] |
| brycec | Oh back to the original point... In the Android "world" Google has said "here's your update and it's called version XYZ" and it's then up to the individual device manufacturers to "roll that out" (yes, it's not *that* simple) to handsets. But they're running a business and those handsets aren't making them money, the new next-gen ones are, so old stuff falls behind. It's unfortunate, but it's what
happens. | [18:01] |
| mercutio | ie with every update it seems to recompile each app | [18:01] |
| brycec | mercutio: because java - it's re-"optimizing" (compiling to bytecode) each app with the latest runtime.
eg if you had a Linux distro that rev'd GCC and then rebuilt all the packages on the new GCC. | [18:01] |
| m0unds | art is gud | [18:02] |
| brycec | (and that linux distro was Gentoo)
(or another LFS-style) | [18:02] |
| mercutio | it'd be nice if it's just background it
i don't see why the phone should compile myself :) | [18:03] |
| m0unds | i really wish carriers wouldn't have any say in "value added" stuff they put on android handsets, it's awful | [18:03] |
| mercutio | m0unds: you can get non carrier locked phones which are better anyway
but there's stlil some bloat. | [18:04] |
| brycec | "Why is my device running so slow?" this way you know why. Plus it doesn't want to let yo u run any of the old runtime stuff, there may be API/ABI changes etc. | [18:04] |
| m0unds | unless they don't support US bands
which happens a /lot/ w/worldwide stuff | [18:04] |
| mercutio | and some stuff you can't do much about it, like samsung's stylus integration. | [18:04] |
| brycec | It truly is awful. So much crapware... | [18:04] |
| m0unds | samsung software sucks | [18:04] |
| mercutio | because normal android just doesn't have good stylus support :( | [18:04] |
| m0unds | it's a janky, hideous mess | [18:04] |
| mercutio | i actualyl kind of like it
but it is bloatware | [18:05] |
| m0unds | they even managed to further break memory management on 5.0.x too | [18:05] |
| mercutio | if i didn't have a stylus i'd ditch it though
samsung's still on android 4 too | [18:05] |
| brycec | m0unds: you keep misspelling "improved". Are you okay there, mate? /s | [18:06] |
| m0unds | hahahah
the s6 is on 5.1 and it's a godawful mess | [18:06] |
| mercutio | ahh
s6 doesn't have stylus? | [18:06] |
| m0unds | nope | [18:07] |
| mercutio | you can run normal roms
i have galaxy note 10.1 2014 | [18:07] |
| m0unds | you can't task switch on an s6 that has some hours of uptime without it killing stuff left and right | [18:07] |
| mercutio | and moto g lte | [18:07] |
| brycec | I would like to see a Cloud2Butt but for s/broke/improved/. Imaging reading the news: "Robbers improved in to a bank on Monday..." | [18:07] |
| mercutio | moto g has android 5.1 | [18:07] |
| m0unds | hahahaha | [18:07] |
| mercutio | m0unds: how much ram does s6 have? | [18:08] |
| m0unds | 4gb iirc
touchwiz is a mess that's all | [18:08] |
| mercutio | 4gb wow
and it's still killing stuff | [18:08] |
| m0unds | and a really fast soc
and it still stutters and hitches and kills stuff | [18:08] |
| mercutio | 1gb can mean killint things a bit
but 4gb should be fine. galaxy note 10.1 2014 is a bit jittery more than the moto g. but it got better with android 4.4 i wonder if there are any quality roms yet. | [18:08] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [18:09] |
| brycec | "When I was your age, my phone has 4MB of RAM, and we didn't care because some how MIDP's still ran." | [18:09] |
| mercutio | there's a strong alpha/beta quality is most roms.
64k should be enough for a phone but it's more than a phone these days | [18:09] |
| brycec | I'm actually not sure how much memory the RAZR V3 had, and Google hasn't given me an answer yet :/ | [18:10] |
| mercutio | probably 512 or 768 | [18:11] |
| brycec | That was certainly my favourite phone of all time though. If just for nostalgia... | [18:11] |
| mercutio | oh hangon pre android? | [18:11] |
| brycec | A flip phone in 2004 with 512MB???? LMAO
Yeah, waaaay pre-android (IIRC Android wasn't even trademarked until 2008) | [18:11] |
| mercutio | i was thinking of razr droid | [18:11] |
| brycec | One of these :D https://tecnoblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/motorola-razr-v3-4.jpg | [18:12] |
| mercutio | yeah i found it on google
i'm trying to figure out how much memory | [18:12] |
| m0unds | hahaha
i had a v3xx | [18:12] |
| mercutio | 13.5mb of flash
it sounds like | [18:12] |
| brycec | 5.5MB of flash storage | [18:13] |
| mercutio | which they call memory :/ | [18:13] |
| m0unds | i think i even have a photo of one of my cats taken with it from like 2006 or 2007 | [18:13] |
| brycec | http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_v3-853.php | [18:13] |
| mercutio | it's probably 5.5mb of user flash
and 8mb for OS | [18:13] |
| brycec | m0unds: I still have photos from mine, and I still have it. | [18:13] |
| mercutio | or 8mb and ram and they're adding
i'm going by wikipedia | [18:13] |
| m0unds | i still have mine, it's locked in a box as an emergency device | [18:13] |
| mercutio | i had a nokia phone | [18:13] |
| m0unds | battery's still good, hasn't blown up yet | [18:14] |
| mercutio | the old stable one with 2 weeks battery life | [18:14] |
| brycec | Nifty, m0unds :) The battery on mine is shot, but it's otherwise good. | [18:14] |
| m0unds | http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_v3xx-1648.php | [18:14] |
| brycec | I loved the keypad's backlight | [18:14] |
| mercutio | can you still get phones with 2 week battery life? | [18:14] |
| brycec | Just so very sexy. | [18:14] |
| m0unds | yeah, such cool little phones | [18:14] |
| mercutio | https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/AqnKHxYwXFMxvGXV
woot i had no idea of model code but "nokia phone" actually found it quickly | [18:15] |
| brycec | heh somewhere I have a Nokia brick older than that, my first cellphone | [18:15] |
| m0unds | i had a nokia 5190 i think it was back in 2000-2001ish, then replaced it with a 3317 (back when tmo us was voicestream) | [18:15] |
| mercutio | my first phone was motorolla iirc | [18:16] |
| m0unds | 3317? 33-something | [18:16] |
| brycec | m0unds: That looks just like mine
er, well not mine, my mom's Mine didn't have the antenna nub | [18:16] |
| m0unds | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_3310 / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_5110 | [18:16] |
| mercutio | my first phone was in like 2000-2001ish too | [18:16] |
| m0unds | hahaha | [18:16] |
| BryceBot | Nokia 3310 :: The Nokia 3310 is a GSM mobile phone announced on September 1, 2000, and released in the fourth quarter of the year, replacing the popular Nokia 3210. The phone sold extremely well, being one of the most successful phones with 126 million units sold worldwide. The phone has since received a cult status and is still widely acclaimed today. Several variants of the 3310 have been released, including the Nokia 3315, 3320... | [18:16] |
| m0unds | so funny
w/snake on it | [18:16] |
| brycec | I remember it well | [18:17] |
| mercutio | ahh yeh so i had nokia 3310 | [18:17] |
| staticsafe | back when mobile games meant Snake on a Nokia phone | [18:17] |
| mercutio | heh
snake sucked | [18:17] |
| staticsafe | <3ed snake
but I was a kid then | [18:17] |
| mercutio | but yeah those phones gave 2 weeks battery life | [18:18] |
| m0unds | i had a couple of nextel phones too - i530 batphone (yellow) and i560
after voicestream was bought by tmo and they changed my rate plan without telling me and i got a $300 bill went from 3000 mins/mo to 300, had like 1500 over or something | [18:18] |
| mercutio | http://rack.3.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDEzLzA4LzMwL2QyL25va2lhZmlyZS5lYTAwMS5naWYKcAl0aHVtYgk4NTB4ODUwPgplCWpwZw/20ffb3ff/f52/nokia-fire.jpg | [18:19] |
| m0unds | right around when i started college too, that sucked
hahaha | [18:19] |
| brycec | laaaaame
(about the minutes) | [18:20] |
| m0unds | yeah, it was pretty shitty | [18:20] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [18:20] |
| mercutio | did you complain? | [18:20] |
| m0unds | spent hours on the phone w/them (via landline), gave up because it just wasn't worth the time anymore | [18:20] |
| mercutio | ahh
http://lumiaconversations.microsoft.com/2014/04/01/nokia-3310-gets-41-megapixel-windows-phone-makeover/ this is plain wierd weird | [18:21] |
| m0unds | lol | [18:24] |
| brycec | Nice date. | [18:24] |
| mercutio | haha
i wonder if it's for real | [18:24] |
| brycec | It's not. | [18:24] |
| m0unds | no
hahaha that's the camera module from a lumia 1020 photoshopped onto the 3310 | [18:24] |
| mercutio | oh you heard about it before? | [18:25] |
| m0unds | yeah | [18:25] |
| mercutio | ahh | [18:25] |
| brycec | It was one of the better pranks last year | [18:26] |
| mercutio | it kind of seems strange that no-one seems to have been able to fix battery life yet
i mean for a 15 year old phone to have better battery life than current phones something seems off i think 3g uses more battery than 2g and a lot of people have wifi now | [18:27] |
| brycec | Battery density has remained roughly the same, but we're using more power. It's no surprise. | [18:27] |
| mercutio | but i think even if you disable 3g and wifi you're going to struggle to get a week out of any cellphone
yeah but even when the screen is off | [18:28] |
| brycec | A big fat screen vs the little character LCD's for starters is goign to eat up a huge chunk of battery | [18:28] |
| m0unds | if i wanted a feature phone, i'd just carry one though | [18:28] |
| mercutio | yeah the screens use a lot more power | [18:28] |
| brycec | I got 4+ days of battery life on my oold Nexus4 with the screen off the whole time
(but wifi + cell on) | [18:29] |
| mercutio | those lcd matrix type screens used to work on solar power on the old caclulators. | [18:29] |
| brycec | Yep, and practically no significant backlight required for them too | [18:30] |
| mercutio | hmm
solar powerered cellphone! it's impractical i suspect. | [18:30] |
| staticsafe | not enough surface area | [18:31] |
| brycec | heh, there are a number of phones with solar chargers buil-in... | [18:31] |
| mercutio | calculators didn't have much surface area either. | [18:31] |
| staticsafe | also expensive | [18:31] |
| mercutio | static: oh? | [18:31] |
| staticsafe | calculators require minuscules amount of power | [18:32] |
| brycec | Calculators didn't have to power a radio | [18:32] |
| mercutio | i was thinking to charge cellphone a bit rather than to be able to run off it | [18:32] |
| brycec | oh well then you're in luck, there are a handful of those, just google :p | [18:32] |
| mercutio | like crystal radio? | [18:32] |
| brycec | I meant radio as in the component that communicates with the cellular network | [18:33] |
| mercutio | yeah
http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/green-tech/solar/selfcharging-cell-phone-screens-coming-soon that sounds kind of like what i thought would be cool :) | [18:33] |
| brycec | Looks like a solar-powered calculator draws just .0002W. Compare to the typical power of a celluar radio which emits between 0.6W and 3W | [18:35] |
| mercutio | wow | [18:35] |
| staticsafe | not to mention power hungry SOCs and screens | [18:35] |
| mercutio | yeah radio power usage is still kind of high | [18:35] |
| brycec | You'd need 3000 of the calculator solar cells for the low-power radio mode. | [18:35] |
| mercutio | i think part of the issue with radios is that they wake up more than they used to
with data etc i suppose you still have to receive but also i think there's still a large analogue component and the size hasn't got smaller yet. but yeah these people think this special screen cover could idle forever in sunlight sounds good to me :) | [18:36] |
| brycec | Just imagine the lifetime we could eek out of a Nokia brick with the knowledge we've gained over the last 20 years for power-saving and the like | [18:39] |
| mercutio | yeah
my phone is on 34% charge and thinks it has 1 day 1 hour remaining and it's android system that's using the most cpu followed by android os | [18:40] |
| brycec | The other thing to remember is that Nokia phones had relatively HUGE batteries compared to today's phones, taking up the whole backside of the phone. | [18:42] |
| mercutio | so i assume OS optimisations could improve battery life a bit stlil | [18:42] |
| brycec | (not always, but the 3310 did) | [18:42] |
| mercutio | it was 900
vs 2070 on my current phone nimh vs limh though | [18:42] |
| brycec | Hm yeah I'm thinking of a different Nokia phone | [18:43] |
| mercutio | err vs li-ion
i think the battery was kind of thick | [18:43] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [18:44] |
| mercutio | compared to current ones, but not nearly as wide/tall | [18:44] |
| brycec | Ah there we go I'm thinking of the 5110's battery pack, which apparently is just 1250mAh @ 3.7V | [18:44] |
| mercutio | but then current phones are thinner, and wider/taller
so yeah we should be able to get a month of battery life by now damnit | [18:44] |
| brycec | Well if you'd put down your phone and stop playing Angry Flappies dammit :P | [18:45] |
| mercutio | heh i don't use my phone much
actually the nubmers didn't add up the numbers add up to 38% i wonder what happened to the other 62% of battery usage :) | [18:45] |
| brycec | Mine add up to 98% :P | [18:46] |
| mercutio | hmm ltihium-ion has lower self-discharge | [18:48] |
| m0unds | hahaha
my phone has a 3100mah battery iirc | [18:49] |
| mercutio | but apparently batteries lose capacity whether used or not after years
m0unds: wow | [18:49] |
| m0unds | i bought one of those little battery pack things for when i travel and don't have access to outlets or a car charger
10000mah little thing, was like $15 | [18:49] |
| mercutio | i usually charge by usb | [18:50] |
| m0unds | i think 21 shipped | [18:50] |
| mercutio | it's better to charge slowly anyway | [18:50] |
| *** | Logico has left "Saindo" | [18:50] |
| mercutio | if it's chinese then it probably lies about battery size | [18:50] |
| m0unds | japanese battery cells | [18:50] |
| mercutio | oh
that's safer :) | [18:50] |
| m0unds | assembled in china, but the batteries are made by a japanese company | [18:51] |
| mercutio | sanyo? | [18:51] |
| m0unds | https://oneplus.net/oneplus-power-bank
don't remember | [18:51] |
| mercutio | wow
try to find information about it, find all these indians pissed off at the price went up http://www.amazon.in/product-reviews/B00W35QYEQ/ref=cm_cr_pr_btm_link_next_3?ie=UTF8&filterBy=addOneStar&pageNumber=3&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=byRankDescending | [18:52] |
| m0unds | lol | [18:53] |
| staticsafe | http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_6_plus-6665.php 2915 mAH battery | [18:53] |
| m0unds | i like the display on the 6+ | [18:53] |
| mercutio | i can understand 10 or 20 people having th esame complaint
but like 400 | [18:53] |
| m0unds | mob mentality
same reason people bitch en masse about not having an sdcard slot | [18:53] |
| mercutio | but i've got sdcard
:/ | [18:54] |
| m0unds | or bitch en masse about how the SD810 chipset overheats. avg person won't ever encounter it, but people bitch about it enough that people think it's a problem | [18:54] |
| mercutio | it's easy to get a phone with sdcard slot | [18:54] |
| m0unds | getting less easy | [18:54] |
| mercutio | ahh | [18:54] |
| m0unds | google doesn't want to keep supporting them | [18:54] |
| mercutio | yeh nexus don't have them
i don't actually use my sdcard :/ it's there.. | [18:54] |
| staticsafe | actually Google is releasing new SDCARD related APIs in Android M | [18:55] |
| m0unds | people throw apps on their crappy sdcard and they perform horribly and then they bitch about their phone being slow | [18:55] |
| staticsafe | because of Android One lol | [18:55] |
| m0unds | yeah | [18:55] |
| mercutio | i don't think people use them for apps anymore. | [18:55] |
| m0unds | i think it's gonna encrypt by default too | [18:55] |
| mercutio | that was more common when there was less internal storage
and slower onboard storage anyway | [18:55] |
| m0unds | so it'll be amusing what that means for people who put stuff on their card and put it in a reader vs using their phone as the storage device w/the card in it | [18:55] |
| mercutio | my old phone was faster on sdcard than on internal storage | [18:55] |
| m0unds | i'm fine having 64GB of fast flash. i have like 4gb of stuff on my phone. i don't need to carry my whole music collection with me, or all my lossless music or whatever
or 20 hours' worth of movies | [18:56] |
| mercutio | i'm fine with 8gb myself
i don't have any music on my phone though | [18:56] |
| m0unds | i just stream everything anymore | [18:56] |
| mercutio | i'd be fine with 2gb
but i prefer to have more, because as you use storage it can get slower | [18:56] |
| m0unds | rollover data on at&t, i end up with like 26GB available month after month and use maybe 3GB to stream stuff if that | [18:57] |
| mercutio | i still use cd's in my car :) | [18:57] |
| m0unds | i do too, i got a radio w/bluetooth specifically for podcast audio on long trips but still have some cds too | [18:58] |
| staticsafe | my carrier only has 3G so I use Spotify with the "Available Offline" feature | [18:58] |
| m0unds | i'll stream spotify to it too, but there's some stuff spotify doesn't have | [18:58] |
| mercutio | static: what's wrong with streaming over 3g?
is 3g unreliable for streaming? i have no experience with such | [18:58] |
| m0unds | can get stuttery if it's congested | [18:59] |
| staticsafe | it is in my experience, probably differs between carriers and how congested the network is | [18:59] |
| brycec | 3G doesn't really have the bandwidth for it, at least not here in NA. | [18:59] |
| m0unds | eh, depends on the carrier, location, etc | [18:59] |
| staticsafe | yeah WIND Mobile in some coverage areas is definitely congested | [18:59] |
| mercutio | isn't spotify heavily compressed? | [18:59] |
| m0unds | i can regularly hit 20mbit down on HSPA here in abq, and 35-40mbit on LTE
but if i had vzw, i'd be lucky to hit 2mbit down on LTE because they're so oversubscribed here | [18:59] |
| brycec | 64kbps AAC, not "heavily compressed" by my definition. | [19:00] |
| m0unds | low bitrate aac sounds pretty decent | [19:00] |
| brycec | (since I'd equate 64kbps AAC with 128kbps MP3) | [19:00] |
| mercutio | m0unds: hspa or hsdpa? | [19:00] |
| m0unds | hspa+
i think that's 40mbit not sure too many different variations | [19:00] |
| mercutio | dc-hsdpa is like 40 megabit
dual carrier | [19:01] |
| m0unds | hspa+ is up to 168mbit down, 22 up
theoretical | [19:01] |
| mercutio | what? | [19:01] |
| m0unds | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolved_HSPA | [19:01] |
| BryceBot | Evolved HSPA :: HSPA+, or Evolved High-Speed Packet Access, is a technical standard for wireless, broadband telecommunication. HSPA+ enhances the widely used WCDMA (UMTS) based 3G networks with higher speeds for the end user that are comparable to the newer LTE networks. HSPA+ was first defined in the technical standard 3GPP release 7 and expanded further in later releases. In the United States, it is commonly available under AT&T Mobility... | [19:01] |
| m0unds | like i said, too many different variants | [19:01] |
| mercutio | yeah
confusing :) that's called 4g oftenthen? but not lte | [19:02] |
| brycec | Right. | [19:02] |
| staticsafe | http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/i/1322988751 | [19:02] |
| mercutio | The higher 168 Mbit/s speeds are achieved by using multiple carriers with Dual-Cell HSDPA and 4-way MIMO together simultaneously.[1][2]
dual cell towers! | [19:02] |
| brycec | At least in the NA markets, carriers were really keen to iterate from 3G to something higher
even if it's not technically 4G | [19:02] |
| mercutio | so yeah divide by 4 i think normally | [19:03] |
| staticsafe | I am with WIND because the big three's data prices are ridiculous
Canadian telecom :| | [19:03] |
| m0unds | oneplus google cardboard launch thing is funny | [19:04] |
| brycec | http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/1384212747 | [19:06] |
| mercutio | i have a google cardboard
i haven't tried it yet i got some cheap ebay copy of it, it was like $2 :/ has anyone tried it yet? | [19:06] |
| brycec | I've played with Cardboard in the past, yeah | [19:07] |
| mercutio | that upload speed suggests you have cell congestion static :) | [19:07] |
| staticsafe | yeah | [19:07] |
| mercutio | usualyl if it's provisioned low the upload would be even lower.
i get about 6/1.5 i think | [19:08] |
| brycec | HSPA+ with a strong signal http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/1384214457 LTE, same device/time/placement http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/1384212747 | [19:08] |
| mercutio | wow
i've never done a lte speed test but it seems fast | [19:09] |
| brycec | For a long time (and still often is), LTE is faster than the "free wifi hotspots" around here. That + unlimited data and I'm a happy camper on LTE. | [19:09] |
| mercutio | hmm i'm getting faster 3g than normal | [19:10] |
| m0unds | agh, this is making me dizzy
hahaha | [19:10] |
| mercutio | 8.76/1.79 here
47 ping | [19:10] |
| brycec | m0unds: trying to wrap your head around 3g/edge/hspa/hspa+/hsdpa/etc? | [19:10] |
| mercutio | that ping is lower than normal too | [19:10] |
| m0unds | no, cardboard oneplus thing
headset is making me dizzy | [19:11] |
| mercutio | i get over 40 megabit on wifi with 2.4 single radio etc | [19:11] |
| brycec | I should point out that my phone seems to max out around 40Mbps regardless of connection medium (speedtest on my home wifi, 100mbps net connection speedtest at 38.52/11.62) | [19:11] |
| mercutio | which seemed higher than i thought it'd do
brycec: that's non-ac right? most non ac cap you at like 30 megabit or so | [19:11] |
| brycec | mercutio: it's AC | [19:12] |
| mercutio | 40 is on the high side.
wow. my tablet does over 200 megabit | [19:12] |
| brycec | about 1.5m from the AP | [19:12] |
| mercutio | well with a fake speed test server :/
or iperf | [19:12] |
| brycec | Hm I could iperf it I bet... | [19:13] |
| BryceBot | That's what she said!! | [19:13] |
| mercutio | wireless ac should be 433 sync. | [19:13] |
| brycec | BryceBot: she sounds like a strange woman. | [19:13] |
| mercutio | you can download iperf app
you don't even need root it even tells you your ip | [19:13] |
| brycec | Yeah I know, my network diag app (he.net's) has builtin iperf | [19:13] |
| mercutio | i get 45.70megabit down on wifi | [19:14] |
| staticsafe | http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/i/1322997218 on wi-fi | [19:15] |
| mercutio | nice static | [19:16] |
| brycec | iperf is reporting 140mphs-ish, which would be about a single AC channel, IIRC | [19:17] |
| mercutio | you should be able to get 250
it may have small window size try iperf -c <phone ip> -P 4 to do 4 connections at once or may you just not be very close to router. i found that even with 5 ghz channel selection mattered too. except i think i'm using a channel that's banned in the US 157 or 162 or something | [19:17] |
| brycec | those are both legal channels | [19:19] |
| mercutio | oh ok
what was banned hmm at range it was significantly faster than the lower channel numbers. like 50% faster. | [19:19] |
| brycec | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels#5.C2.A0GHz_.28802.11a.2Fh.2Fj.2Fn.2Fac.29.5B16.5D is the relevant article | [19:20] |
| BryceBot | List of WLAN channels :: This list of WLAN channels is the set of legally allowed wireless local area network channels using IEEE 802.11 protocols, mostly sold under the trademark Wi-Fi. The 802.11 workgroup currently documents use in five distinct frequency ranges: 2.4 GHz, 3.6 GHz, 4.9 GHz, 5 GHz, and 5.9 GHz bands. Each range is divided into a multitude of channels. Countries apply their own regulations to the allowable channels, allowed user | [19:20] |
| mercutio | it's 153 channel i'm using
which seems banned in europe | [19:22] |
| brycec | but US legal :) | [19:23] |
| mercutio | yeah
it may be that there's capping on transmit power at lower frequencies or such rather than actual interference | [19:23] |
| brycec | brycec is on channel 149 with his AC | [19:24] |
| mercutio | yeh that's probably just as good as 153 :) | [19:24] |
| brycec | Channels 52-140 require DFS which does seem to take a performance hit | [19:25] |
| mercutio | yeah i was using the bit before that i think
i left it on auto at first before tweaking :) i think it was 42 | [19:25] |
| brycec | "devices operating on 5.250–5.350 GHz and 5.470–5.725 GHz must employ dynamic frequency selection (DFS) and transmit power control (TPC) capabilities. This is to avoid interference with weather-radar and military applications.[" | [19:25] |
| mercutio | for some reason every second channel is banned in the US there though | [19:25] |
| brycec | because radar | [19:26] |
| mercutio | we have some rain radar thing above that i think | [19:26] |
| brycec | (and the frequencies used and the bandwidth of the channels) | [19:26] |
| mercutio | at 5605 mhz apparently | [19:26] |
| brycec | So between 120 and 124 | [19:27] |
| mercutio | that's still in the messy range anyway
so here there's only 100 mhz of outdoor spectrum seems a bit low i wonder what the higher frequencies are used for oh the higher channel numbers are actually lower frequencies | [19:27] |
| m0unds | haha, that was fun
except for the dizziness from cardboard | [19:36] |
| ............... (idle for 1h14mn) | ||
| i'm on 149 for 5ghz, macbook's linked at 450mbit
snr was better here than at lower 5ghz freqs for some reason | [20:50] | |
| mercutio | m0unds: that was my experience too, i think it must be more power
149 is probably same as 153 you need 4 channels | [20:54] |
| m0unds | yea | [20:54] |
| mercutio | i really can't be bothered trying 149 :) | [20:55] |
| m0unds | i spent a bit measuring noise and testing and was most stable at 149 so i kept it there
my wife was having trouble w/2.4ghz on her phone, so i was looking to see what was least crowded since every dummy near me rents a modem w/a wlan router built into it then attaches a best buy special wlan router to that | [20:55] |
| mercutio | i did speedtest/iperf | [20:59] |
| m0unds | same | [21:00] |
| mercutio | i find with 2.4 ghz trial rather than wifi analyser works best. | [21:00] |
| m0unds | 5ghz it was just a matter of which one afforded best link rate w/best stability | [21:00] |
| mercutio | 2.4 is still a bit patchy in the other part of the house
i've been meaning to rebounce it but it's winter atm, and i was going to do it for summer :) i've actually got 3 modems on 2.4 it seems and two of them are on the same channel | [21:00] |
| m0unds | http://www.netspotapp.com/ this works pretty well | [21:01] |
| mercutio | and one of them has stronger signal than the one i'm using (within the same room)
i probably should fix that, it's rude to hog all the frequencies one is openwrt, i'm not sure what modem it even is :) err router | [21:01] |
| staticsafe | 2.4Ghz is unusuable here
apartment building + major city lol | [21:02] |
| mercutio | 2.4 outside always seems to be a challenge
ahh apartment, ick. i only get a metre or two more distance out of 2.4 compared to 5 ghz i thought 2.4 went a lot further | [21:02] |
| m0unds | hahaha | [21:03] |
| staticsafe | unfortunately still have to maintain 2.4Ghz SSID due to legacy devices | [21:06] |
| grody | 2.4GHz is a mess here too, 5Ghz is only mine & my neighbours i can pick up | [21:14] |
| ........................ (idle for 1h58mn) | ||
| mnathani_ | does this writeup make sense to any of you? https://code.facebook.com/posts/1123882380960538/linux-ipv6-improvement-routing-cache-on-demand/ | [23:12] |
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