[01:03] *** Guest95570 has joined #arpnetworks [01:57] *** data has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [02:54] *** Guest95570 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [03:03] *** mnathani_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [03:06] *** Guest95570 has joined #arpnetworks [03:12] *** mnathani_ has joined #arpnetworks [03:43] *** Guest95570 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [05:34] *** _iwc has joined #arpnetworks [05:39] it did spike at 93C [05:40] then dmesg was flooded with overheating, scaling down blah blah [05:40] then bham [05:40] seems to be holding itself together, thank goodness.. can't afford that loss just yet [06:02] weird [07:23] *** dj_goku has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [07:23] *** dj_goku_ has joined #arpnetworks [07:39] * grody must stop using bleeding edge code [07:39] last 3 builds of openwrt for my pocket router has been laden with an array of annoying bugs :( [07:56] *** brycec is now known as Big_Pimpin [07:57] *** Big_Pimpin is now known as brycec [11:28] *** neish_ has joined #arpnetworks [11:28] *** ameise has joined #arpnetworks [11:32] *** phlux has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [11:32] *** rendrag has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [11:32] *** ant has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [11:32] *** m0unds has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [11:32] *** NiTe has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [11:32] *** staticsafe has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [11:32] *** neish has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [11:32] *** daca has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [11:32] *** ameise is now known as ant [12:51] *** rendrag has joined #arpnetworks [12:54] *** phlux has joined #arpnetworks [12:54] *** m0unds has joined #arpnetworks [12:54] *** staticsafe has joined #arpnetworks [12:54] *** daca has joined #arpnetworks [13:03] *** NiTe has joined #arpnetworks [13:32] *** Guest95570 has joined #arpnetworks [14:31] hrm v4 connectivity between my ARP Networks VM and my Nagios instance seems to be broken somewhere - http://paste.ee/p/1YMMA [14:35] I'm hearing rumblings of Any2 connectivity issues since about 1:45pm PDT [14:36] I've not heard of that provider. Transit? [14:36] No, peering exchange [14:37] That makes more sense [15:25] static: that looks like a networklayer issue [15:25] a forward problem from cs01.lax01.networklayer.com [15:29] unless linode hvae done something silly like have rpf issue as it's showing router-1-dal.linode.com and router-2-dal.linode.com [15:29] meingtsla: where did you hear that? [15:30] http://lg.arpnetworks.com/cgi-bin/bgplg?cmd=show+ip+bgp&req=45.33.23.57 [15:31] so softlayer are linode? [15:41] Linode is using Softlayer's network [15:48] i'd ticket linode given those two traces. [15:48] last i knew linode don't have looking glass. [15:49] looks like softlayer do though [15:51] erk their dallas node can reach both arp in general and your vm it seems [15:51] I don't suppose http://apps.fs.usda.gov/ArcX/rest/info?f=json loads for any one else? (vs immediate connection reset or timeout) [15:51] but they don't give linkable urls with their lg. (http://lg.softlayer.cmo) [15:52] yeh not loading for me either [15:52] thx [15:52] it actually just hangs [15:52] rather than connection reset [15:52] I've been getting both [15:53] ahh [15:53] maybe their load balancer is misbehaving while web servers are unreachable [15:53] ie it's overloading because of so many connections trying to work [15:57] static: lax01 can't reach arp, lax02 can. i have no idea of what ip lax01 is on and reverse dns lookup from your traceroute doesn't have forward lookup [15:57] bbr01 vs bbr02, not lax01 vs lax02 [15:59] hm [16:00] found it, the ip is 206.72.210.131 [16:01] which is the any2ix ip address, which isn't advertised so isn't necessarily an issue [16:02] (because it's just used for connecting locally to other hosts, and forwarding traffic normally; they don't have an ip address just for traceroute, so it's using the facing address) [16:15] mercutio: Email from CoreSite [16:15] meingtsla: ahh [16:16] i don't know who you are :) [16:16] but most people don't seem to know what any2ix is [16:18] (Now I'm getting connection resets, woo) [16:19] yeah i wouldn't worry about how it manifests [16:19] it's likely to be the same core issue [16:19] It's inconvenient is what it is :p [16:19] welcome to life :) [16:20] $136 usd is cheap for 480gb ssd [16:20] Yes [16:20] Yes it is... [16:20] What form factor? [16:20] i'm thinking about going to 3 way raid-z with 3 of them [16:21] 2.5" 7mm [16:21] http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00M8ABFX6?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER [16:21] Amazon: "SanDisk Ultra II 480GB SATA III 2.5-Inch 7mm Height Solid State Drive (SSD) With Read Up To 550MB/s- SDSSDHII-480G-G25" [16:21] it's tlc, but i have two and they seem to go better than the samsungs [16:21] err better than the samsung 840 evos that were in there too [16:21] does over a gb/sec for two of them in raid 0 for part of the disk [16:22] and the reset is mixed with what were samsung 840 evos [16:22] err 250gb samsung evo's [16:22] it's just some non imortant stuff that's raid0'ed [16:22] but i've had to secure erase etc the samsung's [16:22] because performance of the whole set was going down.. [16:23] Timing buffered disk reads: 3240 MB in 3.00 seconds = 1079.71 MB/sec [16:23] that's two of them [16:23] people are always like up to 550, up to 540... but usualyl i find samsungs are more like 510mb/sec [16:24] Timing buffered disk reads: 1470 MB in 3.00 seconds = 489.50 MB/sec [16:24] like that's a samsug ssd [16:24] Timing buffered disk reads: 1550 MB in 3.00 seconds = 516.50 MB/sec [16:24] and that's another samsung ssd [16:24] the first samsung was secure erased to get speed back up [16:24] it was going like 50mb/sec or something [16:25] (840 evo, the second is 850 evo) [16:39] *** dne has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [16:40] *** dne has joined #arpnetworks [17:03] im hesitant to buy another samsung ssd ever again. had two of two fail and get replaced under warranty. [17:04] one stopped showing up in bios/uefi anymore and the other wigged out randomly [17:05] the hotel im staying at in durango co has a free cocktail hour. time for booze. [17:47] @weather yyz [17:47] Toronto-Pearson International, Ontario: Mostly Cloudy ☁ 75°F (24°C), Humidity: 73%, Wind: From the Variable at 2 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=43.67722321,-79.63055420 or re-request this with: @weather -v yyz [17:48] yeh sandisk actually don't seem too bad. [17:48] they have worse random performance than samsung, but it's not like you're going to notice it with normal work loads. [17:48] i'm a bit hesitant about these cheap ssd plus ssd's with no reviews though [18:45] i have two ocz ssds and they seem fine [18:45] one is nearly two years and going strong [18:50] i dont see anywhere near those speeds though, mainly 'cause i run them on SATA 2 [19:01] hm. I've had three Samsung SSDs for a couple of years, and they're all still fine [19:01] very light workload though [19:02] and no power failures [19:09] mercutio: yeah, i replaced my samsung drives with sandisk extreme 2s or something [19:10] acf_: my pc is on a ups and stuff. i guess maybe it was just a shitty batch or something [19:10] weird, i've only had ocz hard failure. [19:10] and i've got a few ssd's [19:11] this sandisk 480gb for $135 or something seems pretty sharp. [19:11] i have an intel 240 in my macbook and a corsair in the pc w the matched ones [19:11] wonder what amazon prime is going to bring though [19:12] keep dropping keystrokes. im connected to my box via lte on my phone [19:13] that seems strange, are you using that weird udp thing [19:13] or the lag is just disconcerting? [19:14] i think its just my keyboard [19:14] fleksy screws up [19:14] my error rate has gone down a bit from shifting back to blue from red. [19:15] err that's cherry mx. [19:16] this is on my phone [19:16] so touchscreen kb [19:17] juicessh [19:17] is the ssh app im usinf [19:17] using [19:19] is there a good way to remember which argument goes first when executing a "ln -s path1 path2" command ? I frequently enter it incorrectly [19:21] not that i know of :) [19:22] i've screwed that up before too [19:23] maybe think think of -s as source [19:24] although it's not [19:24] so that it's ln -s source destination [19:24] just trying to think of something rememberable [19:24] although it depends how you think of source/destination [19:26] ie, source you could consider to be the original file, or the symlink that points to the original file [19:26] i cosndier it the original file, but it wouldn't be wrong to see it the other way around. [20:09] when you see 'file already exists' you know it's the wrong way :) [20:09] i almost always do it the wrong way, especially during file managemtn in the cli [20:11] got into habbit of link "this right here" "into this location here" now [20:23] mercutio: thanks [20:24] grody: it doesn't always do that. [20:26] not always, especially when batching [20:30] oh, what i've hit is when it's a directory [20:31] so if if you do "mkdir somedir; ln -s notdir somedir" then you'll end up with a symlink of notdir to notdir in the symdir directory. [20:34] just remember its the opposite of whatever you think it is [20:34] haha [20:34] ln -s [20:36] i'm trying to think up words that begin with s to link to "real thing" [20:36] static is my best one so far. [20:36] so static file, and dynamic link to it [20:37] probably better than source/destination [20:39] actually just thinking of it as ln -s works better for me [20:39] it's always the little things that are complicated :) [20:41] how about ln -s [20:41] althought I might have them in the reverse order [21:10] not having whoisguard on domain attracts so much spam [21:10] depends how popular the domain is I guess [21:10] notinthe.us [21:11] saying the domain in here wouldnt really help as [FBI] would log it [21:11] haha idk it's already getting spam [21:11] it's targeted spam, so i don't know how much diff it'll make [21:11] there's probably some list of new domain names somewhere [21:11] who is the registrar? [21:11] namecheap [21:11] enom or enom reseller [21:12] ahh [21:12] my whoisguard domains don't get spam [21:13] but .us can't get whoisguard on. also strictly speaking i'm not meant to have a .us domain unless i'm in the US [21:13] says so right in the domain [21:13] not in the us [21:13] lol [21:13] heh [21:13] it's been fine so far [21:14] what do you think of softlayer as a dedicated provider? [21:14] well static just had issues with softlayer [21:14] like 7 hours ago [21:15] but yeah i dunno what they're like... i think they're big in dallas? [21:15] why not just use arp for dedicated servers? [21:15] his issue was more with linode [21:16] a customer of softlayer I beleive [21:16] yeh could just be linode [21:16] you have a good point there [21:16] because the dallas softlayer looking glass worked. [21:16] I would go with ARP, except my customer is looking for a Toronto dedicated server [21:16] ahh [21:16] toronto is another kettle of fish [21:17] i don't really know much about the area... [21:17] and I like a provider that thas decent SLA, hardware replacement guarantees etc [21:17] but level of service could be quite different there (for better or for worse) [21:17] I've been looking for Canada things recently [21:17] doesn't even ovh have that [21:17] ovh has one location in Quebec [21:17] amanah.com [21:18] those guys seem decent. Voip.ms use them [21:18] they were top link [21:18] i was put off by it saying 100tb [21:18] peer1 came to mind as a sensible idea [21:18] without too much thought [21:18] softlayer only offer 500 gig on their base dedicated [21:18] most of the providers I've seen are peer1 resellers [21:18] or ovh resellers [21:18] well peer1 are old [21:19] s/old/established/ [21:19] well peer1 are established [21:19] yeh i wouldn't go with ovh [21:19] what I was noticing [21:19] tracerouting places [21:19] most routes in Canada come back through US anyway [21:20] Vancouver -> Vancouver goes back through Seattle a lot [21:20] i suspect peer1 are expensive direct. [21:20] 100 TB per month is like 304 mbit sustained for the whole month [21:20] even Quebec -> Vancouver sometimes goes back through Seattle [21:20] That's what she said!! [21:20] mnathani_: yeh, it means "oversold" [21:20] acf: that kind of stuff really bugs me. [21:20] in the US it's pretty common to take strange paths to some states. [21:20] like kansas is pretty basd. [21:20] bad [21:21] texas is pretty good generally. [21:21] I was also looking at Centurylink cloud [21:21] because they have a PoP in Vancouver [21:21] (Savvis) [21:21] california it's mostly just san jose or los angeles leading to some weirdness, but it's not terrible. [21:21] ie it stays in state at least. [21:21] aren't savvis like cogent? [21:21] Savvis always finds some way to route you around the other side of the country [21:21] ie, if you're tracing LAX -> LAX it will send you to NY [21:22] Should I be looking at purchasing a dedicated and colocating somewhere? [21:22] hahaha [21:22] he.net used to be like that [21:22] mnathani_: yes. [21:22] well maybe [21:22] *** Guest95570 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:22] s/looking/considering/ [21:22] Should I be considering at purchasing a dedicated and colocating somewhere? [21:22] I think HE had some of the best routing in Canada (from my traceroutes) [21:22] I always get nervous when I am the one responsible to replace equipment [21:22] Peer1 was OK too [21:22] I guess remote hands to exist [21:22] That's what she said!! [21:22] BryceBot: no [21:22] Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'I guess remote hands to exist' [21:22] yeh he.net is terrible to asia, and used to have some weird stuff in the US, but i think it's not too bad in canada [21:23] it's around atlanta that it was most iffy iirc [21:23] and weird things like sj -> ny -> fl or something [21:23] mnathani_: just get 3 hosts [21:23] and host 2 [21:24] then you have redundancy and a spare host if run into issues [21:24] l5520 type hosts are cheap on ebay [21:24] and good enough for non cpu demanding things [21:25] http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-PROLIANT-DL320-G6-SERVER-505768-B21-XEON-SIX-CORE-X5650-2-67GHz-DVD-MULTI-/331584098520?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d33f3d0d8 [21:25] what about something like that? [21:26] there are lots of options, and shipping varies a lot... [21:26] but if you don't need a lot of cpu the hp g6s all have ilo built in for remote serial / video [21:26] bring your own ram [21:27] you need ddr3 ecc [21:27] which is about $100 US per 16gb i think [21:27] with single cpu you can run 6 or 9 slots depending if you care about maxing memory speed [21:27] with dual cpu 12 or 18 [21:28] but you only really want to go dual cpu if virtualising or knowing you're running really scalable stuff [21:28] something like : http://www.ebay.com/itm/16GB-4X4GB-DDR3-MEMORY-RAM-PC3-10600-ECC-REG-DIMM-/350444499824?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51981eb370 [21:28] i'd shift to a e3 or e5 if cpu demands were high [21:28] yeh except if you want to mix with existing ram you have to check if it's registered or unregistered [21:28] if replacing all ram then it goes in sets of 3 [21:28] so i'd do 3x8gb.. [21:28] ie it's triple channel [21:30] http://www.ebay.com/itm/48GB-6X8GB-Hynix-HMT31GR7CFR4A-H9-2Rx4-PC3L-10600R-DDR3-1333-1-35V-/181768655729?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a52419371 [21:30] you could go for something like that... [21:31] if you're not paying for power you may want to just go dual cpu, second hand it makes not much difference to price [21:31] then there's whether you want to go for 2.5" or 3.5" hard-drives [21:31] 2.5" is handy for ssd's [21:31] but then you want to put a different raid controller in [21:32] http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Proliant-DL360-G6-Server-2-Quad-Core-X5570-2-93GHz-48GB-1-146HDD-/271928680850?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f50366192 [21:32] that's already got 48gb of ram. [21:33] those are way more perfomance than we need [21:33] and faster cpu for mhz, but quad instead of hex core. [21:33] currently running on ; Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E31240 @ 3.30GHz [21:33] e3 is fast [21:33] the 5500/5600 are like half the speed of e3 [21:34] dual cpu on the high end is similar in performance [21:34] as long as threadable [21:34] 90% idle through the day though [21:34] i don't think e3s are cheap to buy second hand or new though [21:34] yeh if you don't need cpu you don't need cpu [21:34] my personal dedicated server is an i3 with 8gb of ram [21:34] it never seems slwo [21:34] *** Guest95570 has joined #arpnetworks [21:35] any virtualization? [21:35] it's dl180g7 i think [21:35] nope [21:35] err dl120 [21:35] http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-HP-Proliant-DL120G7-12Gb-250Gb-Xeon-3-1Ghz-1U-Rack-Mount-Server-/271929110697?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f503cf0a9 [21:35] like that but i3 [21:35] oh hmm that's an e3 for ok cost [21:36] main caveat is single psu [21:36] but they take 4x3.5" hard-disks [21:36] and i stuck a ssd in hiding behind the hard-drives for ssd cache [21:36] they don't do hw raid, but you get the normal intel sata ahci ports (no sas) [21:36] and although there are 4 bays, there are 6 ports. [21:37] also they don't take registered ram [21:37] so yeah just figure out requirements, and you can probably find something cheap [21:38] whats decent in terms of price for 1U / 2U colocation? [21:39] completely depends on location [21:39] i'd ballpark $50 to $200 for 1u [21:39] I would probably have to figure out commit rate and 95th percentile [21:39] yeah or just get gb [21:39] it's usually cheaper where electricity/real estate is cheaper [21:40] and more expensive when known brand is on it [21:40] i don't think toronto is a "cheap" city [21:40] gb? [21:40] gigabytes. [21:40] is 1U the 'cheapest' unit? [21:41] yeah [21:41] 1u is what i linked [21:41] racks are usually 46 to 56u tall [21:41] err it seems some are 42 [21:42] you may have power limit as well [21:43] is colocation or renting a dedicated server usually cheaper? [21:43] colocation long term dedicated short term [21:43] but colocation is a bitch if you're not in the same city [21:43] or if you don't want to have to go there :) [21:44] it's annoying you have to email for quotes for colo [21:44] tehre's also the thing of how many servers you want... if you want 1 or 2 servers then it's harder to have spares then if you want 7 or 8 servers. [21:44] dedicated has the advantage that replacing parts is someone else's responsibility [21:44] arp is listing colo price on their web site [21:44] mnathani_: yeh [21:44] hah ok it says contact for quote [21:45] but yeah, it /was/ a lot cheaper than dedicated [21:45] main page says $99 / month [21:45] so do you usually ask the datacenter for a quote? [21:45] but now dedicated doesn't cost that much more through some peopl [21:45] you don't have to deal with othe rpeople going into the dc and access and so on [21:45] and a transit provider? [21:45] well like somewhere like arp you get bundled transit [21:46] but some places are just data centres and you can choose your transit [21:46] but if you're getting 1u you don't want to buy separate transit [21:46] if you're getting a rack it makes sense though [21:46] other datacenters you can get a crossconnect and buy transit directly from the providers [21:46] mnathani_: yeh but crossconnects can bel ike $200 [21:46] plus the bandwidth cost [21:46] $200 per month? [21:47] yeh [21:47] woah [21:47] like he said you would only do it if you had a rack or specific needs [21:47] yeh but if you pay $1000/month for transit then $200/month for cross connect it doesn't seem so bad. [21:47] it can vary a lot [21:48] but like where arp's located the data centre is spread across multiple buildings. [21:48] and like getting your own fibre between buildings is way more expensive than that [21:48] so how is transit typically billed? [21:49] commit rate and 95th percentile [21:49] so commit rate is the minimum rate you have to pay for, regardless of what you actually use? [21:49] I heard if you want gigabit, you need minimum 100 meg commit [21:49] right [21:49] acf: 95th or flat rate. [21:50] mnathani_: varies [21:50] i'm sure arp would do gigabit line with lower than 100 megabit commit [21:50] link [21:50] what's a typical rate ($/mbit/s)? [21:51] acf: there isn't one [21:51] it varies [21:51] cogent and he.net can be as low as 50c/megabit [21:51] but that's on high commit levels [21:51] and in areas they have excess capacity [21:51] generally speaking if you want to get 4x10gigabit links you can get good pricing easily. [21:52] but if you want to get 100 megabit, don't even think about going direct. [21:52] fwiw here's a cheap colo deal https://www.fdcservers.net/colocation.php [21:52] (they are *cheap* and not known for being "great") [21:52] level3 i've heard numbers like $3/megabit, but don't know anythign current [21:53] do people like HE sell colocation outside of the datacenters they own? [21:53] You can't sell someone else's space [21:53] dunno [21:53] fremont he.net has a really bad rep [21:53] brycec: you can resell [21:53] (Well, you can resell technically, but that means you're selling your "own" generally) [21:54] so he.net might provide bandwidth and rack space in a dc they don't own [21:54] i wouldn't go with he.net primary for anything important [21:54] in Canada they're looking pretty good [21:54] a blend is still probably better [21:56] http://www.caneris.com/Hosting#colocation [21:56] $125/month for 1u colocation, [21:56] wtf [21:56] 10mbps port [21:57] I have 10 meg upload at my residence [21:58] 60 meg down [21:58] thats a joke [21:58] yeah it looks old [21:58] i'm sure they'd do 100 megabit for the same cost :/ [21:58] i have no idea if they're good, it's just the first quote i found in toronto [21:58] there is 100 megabit then there is 100 megabit you can actually use and burst to [21:58] i wouldn't worry about 100 megbit generally these days [21:59] i'd be more concerned with transit providers / peering etc. [21:59] oh amanah might be ok [21:59] it's not 100tb on all servers [21:59] but ouch $200 [22:00] @exch 200 cad to usd [22:00] 200 CAD -> 157.03579238298 USD (as of Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:01:01 -0700) [22:00] oh not so bad [22:00] they charge $100 for 1u with 30tb/100 megabit [22:00] 1 amp [22:01] what voltage is canada? [22:01] ahh 110 [22:01] 110 v for res [22:01] yeh i didn't know if it was the same as US or not [22:01] so yeah 1 amp is not much power [22:02] it's at 1 yonge street [22:02] do you know where that is? [22:02] That's what she said!! [22:02] yea [22:02] its downtown [22:02] convenient? [22:02] parking can be expensive [22:02] but yea [22:02] i wonder if they provide parking [22:03] well it's like $80 usd/month cheaper for colo [22:04] https://www.amanah.com/Network/ [22:04]