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[05:39] <grody> it did spike at 93C
[05:40] <grody> then dmesg was flooded with overheating, scaling down blah blah
[05:40] <grody> then bham
[05:40] <grody> seems to be holding itself together, thank goodness.. can't afford that loss just yet
[06:02] <mercutio> weird
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[07:39] * grody must stop using bleeding edge code
[07:39] <grody> last 3 builds of openwrt for my pocket router has been laden with an array of annoying bugs :(
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[14:31] <staticsafe> hrm v4 connectivity between my ARP Networks VM and my Nagios instance seems to be broken somewhere - http://paste.ee/p/1YMMA
[14:35] <meingtsla> I'm hearing rumblings of Any2 connectivity issues since about 1:45pm PDT
[14:36] <kellytk> I've not heard of that provider.  Transit?
[14:36] <meingtsla> No, peering exchange
[14:37] <kellytk> That makes more sense
[15:25] <mercutio> static: that looks like a networklayer issue
[15:25] <mercutio> a forward problem from cs01.lax01.networklayer.com
[15:29] <mercutio> unless linode hvae done something silly like have rpf issue as it's showing router-1-dal.linode.com and router-2-dal.linode.com
[15:29] <mercutio> meingtsla: where did you hear that?
[15:30] <mercutio> http://lg.arpnetworks.com/cgi-bin/bgplg?cmd=show+ip+bgp&req=45.33.23.57
[15:31] <mercutio> so softlayer are linode?
[15:41] <staticsafe> Linode is using Softlayer's network
[15:48] <mercutio> i'd ticket linode given those two traces.
[15:48] <mercutio> last i knew linode don't have looking glass.
[15:49] <mercutio> looks like softlayer do though
[15:51] <mercutio> erk their dallas node can reach both arp in general and your vm it seems
[15:51] <brycec> I don't suppose http://apps.fs.usda.gov/ArcX/rest/info?f=json loads for any one else? (vs immediate connection reset or timeout)
[15:51] <mercutio> but they don't give linkable urls with their lg.  (http://lg.softlayer.cmo)
[15:52] <mercutio> yeh not loading for me either
[15:52] <brycec> thx
[15:52] <mercutio> it actually just hangs
[15:52] <mercutio> rather than connection reset
[15:52] <brycec> I've been getting both
[15:53] <mercutio> ahh
[15:53] <mercutio> maybe their load balancer is misbehaving while web servers are unreachable
[15:53] <mercutio> ie it's overloading because of so many connections trying to work
[15:57] <mercutio> static: lax01 can't reach arp, lax02 can.  i have no idea of what ip lax01 is on and reverse dns lookup from your traceroute doesn't have forward lookup
[15:57] <mercutio> bbr01 vs bbr02, not lax01 vs lax02
[15:59] <staticsafe> hm
[16:00] <mercutio> found it, the ip is 206.72.210.131
[16:01] <mercutio> which is the any2ix ip address, which isn't advertised so isn't necessarily an issue
[16:02] <mercutio> (because it's just used for connecting locally to other hosts, and forwarding traffic normally; they don't have an ip address just for traceroute, so it's using the facing address)
[16:15] <meingtsla> mercutio: Email from CoreSite
[16:15] <mercutio> meingtsla: ahh
[16:16] <mercutio> i don't know who you are :)
[16:16] <mercutio> but most people don't seem to know what any2ix is
[16:18] <brycec> (Now I'm getting connection resets, woo)
[16:19] <mercutio> yeah i wouldn't worry about how it manifests
[16:19] <mercutio> it's likely to be the same core issue
[16:19] <brycec> It's inconvenient is what it is :p
[16:19] <mercutio> welcome to life :)
[16:20] <mercutio> $136 usd is cheap for 480gb ssd
[16:20] <brycec> Yes
[16:20] <brycec> Yes it is...
[16:20] <brycec> What form factor?
[16:20] <mercutio> i'm thinking about going to 3 way raid-z with 3 of them
[16:21] <mercutio> 2.5" 7mm
[16:21] <mercutio> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00M8ABFX6?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
[16:21] <BryceBot> Amazon: "SanDisk Ultra II 480GB SATA III 2.5-Inch 7mm Height Solid State Drive (SSD) With Read Up To 550MB/s- SDSSDHII-480G-G25"
[16:21] <mercutio> it's tlc, but i have two and they seem to go better than the samsungs
[16:21] <mercutio> err better than the samsung 840 evos that were in there too
[16:21] <mercutio> does over a gb/sec for two of them in raid 0 for part of the disk
[16:22] <mercutio> and the reset is mixed with what were samsung 840 evos
[16:22] <mercutio> err 250gb samsung evo's
[16:22] <mercutio> it's just some non imortant stuff that's raid0'ed
[16:22] <mercutio> but i've had to secure erase etc the samsung's
[16:22] <mercutio> because performance of the whole set was going down..
[16:23] <mercutio>  Timing buffered disk reads: 3240 MB in  3.00 seconds = 1079.71 MB/sec
[16:23] <mercutio> that's two of them
[16:23] <mercutio> people are always like up to 550, up to 540... but usualyl i find samsungs are more like 510mb/sec
[16:24] <mercutio>  Timing buffered disk reads: 1470 MB in  3.00 seconds = 489.50 MB/sec
[16:24] <mercutio> like that's a samsug ssd
[16:24] <mercutio>  Timing buffered disk reads: 1550 MB in  3.00 seconds = 516.50 MB/sec
[16:24] <mercutio> and that's another samsung ssd
[16:24] <mercutio> the first samsung was secure erased to get speed back up
[16:24] <mercutio> it was going like 50mb/sec or something
[16:25] <mercutio> (840 evo, the second is 850 evo)
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[17:03] <m0unds> im hesitant to buy another samsung ssd ever again. had two of two fail and get replaced under warranty.
[17:04] <m0unds> one stopped showing up in bios/uefi anymore and the other wigged out randomly
[17:05] <m0unds> the hotel im staying at in durango co has a free cocktail hour. time for booze.
[17:47] <mnathani> @weather yyz
[17:47] <BryceBot> Toronto-Pearson International, Ontario: Mostly Cloudy ☁ 75°F (24°C), Humidity: 73%, Wind: From the Variable at 2 MPH -- For more details including the forecast and almanac, see http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=43.67722321,-79.63055420 or re-request this with: @weather -v yyz
[17:48] <mercutio> yeh sandisk actually don't seem too bad.
[17:48] <mercutio> they have worse random performance than samsung, but it's not like you're going to notice it with normal work loads.
[17:48] <mercutio> i'm a bit hesitant about these cheap ssd plus ssd's with no reviews though
[18:45] <grody> i have two ocz ssds and they seem fine
[18:45] <grody> one is nearly two years and going strong
[18:50] <grody> i dont see anywhere near those speeds though, mainly 'cause i run them on SATA 2
[19:01] <acf_> hm. I've had three Samsung SSDs for a couple of years, and they're all still fine
[19:01] <acf_> very light workload though
[19:02] <acf_> and no power failures
[19:09] <m0unds> mercutio: yeah, i replaced my samsung drives with sandisk extreme 2s or something
[19:10] <m0unds> acf_: my pc is on a ups and stuff. i guess maybe it was just a shitty batch or something
[19:10] <mercutio> weird, i've only had ocz hard failure.
[19:10] <mercutio> and i've got a few ssd's
[19:11] <mercutio> this sandisk 480gb for $135 or something seems pretty sharp.
[19:11] <m0unds> i have an intel 240 in my macbook and a corsair in the pc w the matched ones
[19:11] <mercutio> wonder what amazon prime is going to bring though
[19:12] <m0unds> keep dropping keystrokes. im connected to my box via lte on my phone
[19:13] <mercutio> that seems strange, are you using that weird udp thing
[19:13] <mercutio> or the lag is just disconcerting?
[19:14] <m0unds> i think its just my keyboard
[19:14] <m0unds> fleksy screws up
[19:14] <mercutio> my error rate has gone down a bit from shifting back to blue from red.
[19:15] <mercutio> err that's cherry mx.
[19:16] <m0unds> this is on my phone
[19:16] <m0unds> so touchscreen kb
[19:17] <m0unds> juicessh
[19:17] <m0unds> is the ssh app im usinf
[19:17] <m0unds> using
[19:19] <mnathani_> is there a good way to remember which argument goes first when executing a "ln -s path1 path2" command ? I frequently enter it incorrectly
[19:21] <mercutio> not that i know of :)
[19:22] <mercutio> i've screwed that up before too
[19:23] <mercutio> maybe think think of -s as source
[19:24] <mercutio> although it's not
[19:24] <mercutio> so that it's ln -s source destination
[19:24] <mercutio> just trying to think of something rememberable
[19:24] <mercutio> although it depends how you think of source/destination
[19:26] <mercutio> ie, source you could consider to be the original file, or the symlink that points to the original file
[19:26] <mercutio> i cosndier it the original file, but it wouldn't be wrong to see it the other way around.
[20:09] <grody> when you see 'file already exists' you know it's the wrong way :)
[20:09] <grody> i almost always do it the wrong way, especially during file managemtn in the cli
[20:11] <grody> got into habbit of link "this right here" "into this location here" now
[20:23] <mnathani_> mercutio: thanks
[20:24] <mercutio> grody: it doesn't always do that.
[20:26] <grody> not always, especially when batching
[20:30] <mercutio> oh, what i've hit is when it's a directory
[20:31] <mercutio> so if if you do "mkdir somedir; ln -s notdir somedir" then you'll end up with a symlink of notdir to notdir in the symdir directory.
[20:34] <mjp_> just remember its the opposite of whatever you think it is
[20:34] <mercutio> haha
[20:34] <mjp_> ln -s <real_thing> <link_that_points_to_it>
[20:36] <mercutio> i'm trying to think up words that begin with s to link to "real thing"
[20:36] <mercutio> static is my best one so far.
[20:36] <mercutio> so static file, and dynamic link to it
[20:37] <mercutio> probably better than source/destination
[20:39] <mercutio> actually just thinking of it as ln -s <destination> <source> works better for me
[20:39] <mercutio> it's always the little things that are complicated :)
[20:41] <mnathani_> how about ln -s <existing path> <path or file to be created and linked to existing from first argument>
[20:41] <mnathani_> althought I might have them in the reverse order
[21:10] <mercutio> not having whoisguard on domain attracts so much spam
[21:10] <mnathani_> depends how popular the domain is I guess
[21:10] <mercutio> notinthe.us
[21:11] <mnathani_> saying the domain in here wouldnt really help as [FBI] would log it
[21:11] <mercutio> haha idk it's already getting spam
[21:11] <mercutio> it's targeted spam, so i don't know how much diff it'll make
[21:11] <mercutio> there's probably some list of new domain names somewhere
[21:11] <mnathani_> who is the registrar?
[21:11] <mercutio> namecheap
[21:11] <mnathani_> enom or enom reseller
[21:12] <mnathani_> ahh
[21:12] <mercutio> my whoisguard domains don't get spam
[21:13] <mercutio> but .us can't get whoisguard on.  also strictly speaking i'm not meant to have a .us domain unless i'm in the US
[21:13] <mnathani_> says so right in the domain
[21:13] <mnathani_> not in the us
[21:13] <mnathani_> lol
[21:13] <mercutio> heh
[21:13] <mercutio> it's been fine so far
[21:14] <mnathani_> what do you think of softlayer as a dedicated provider?
[21:14] <mercutio> well static just had issues with softlayer
[21:14] <mercutio> like 7 hours ago
[21:15] <mercutio> but yeah i dunno what they're like... i think they're big in dallas?
[21:15] <mercutio> why not just use arp for dedicated servers?
[21:15] <mnathani_> his issue was more with linode
[21:16] <mnathani_> a customer of softlayer I beleive
[21:16] <mercutio> yeh could just be linode
[21:16] <mercutio> you have a good point there
[21:16] <mercutio> because the dallas softlayer looking glass worked.
[21:16] <mnathani_> I would go with ARP, except my customer is looking for a Toronto dedicated server
[21:16] <mercutio> ahh
[21:16] <mercutio> toronto is another kettle of fish
[21:17] <mercutio> i don't really know much about the area...
[21:17] <mnathani_> and I like a provider that thas decent SLA, hardware replacement guarantees etc
[21:17] <mercutio> but level of service could be quite different there (for better or for worse)
[21:17] <acf_> I've been looking for Canada things recently
[21:17] <mercutio> doesn't even ovh have that
[21:17] <acf_> ovh has one location in Quebec
[21:17] <mnathani_> amanah.com
[21:18] <mnathani_> those guys seem decent. Voip.ms use them
[21:18] <mercutio> they were top link
[21:18] <mercutio> i was put off by it saying 100tb
[21:18] <mercutio> peer1 came to mind as a sensible idea
[21:18] <mercutio> without too much thought
[21:18] <mnathani_> softlayer only offer 500 gig on their base dedicated
[21:18] <acf_> most of the providers I've seen are peer1 resellers
[21:18] <acf_> or ovh resellers
[21:18] <mercutio> well peer1 are old
[21:19] <mercutio> s/old/established/
[21:19] <BryceBot> <mercutio> well peer1 are established
[21:19] <mercutio> yeh i wouldn't go with ovh
[21:19] <acf_> what I was noticing
[21:19] <acf_> tracerouting places
[21:19] <acf_> most routes in Canada come back through US anyway
[21:20] <acf_> Vancouver -> Vancouver goes back through Seattle a lot
[21:20] <mercutio> i suspect peer1 are expensive direct.
[21:20] <mnathani_> 100 TB per month is like 304 mbit sustained for the whole month
[21:20] <acf_> even Quebec -> Vancouver sometimes goes back through Seattle
[21:20] <BryceBot> That's what she said!!
[21:20] <mercutio> mnathani_: yeh, it means "oversold"
[21:20] <mercutio> acf: that kind of stuff really bugs me.
[21:20] <mercutio> in the US it's pretty common to take strange paths to some states.
[21:20] <mercutio> like kansas is pretty basd.
[21:20] <mercutio> bad
[21:21] <mercutio> texas is pretty good generally.
[21:21] <acf_> I was also looking at Centurylink cloud
[21:21] <acf_> because they have a PoP in Vancouver
[21:21] <acf_> (Savvis)
[21:21] <mercutio> california it's mostly just san jose or los angeles leading to some weirdness, but it's not terrible.
[21:21] <mercutio> ie it stays in state at least.
[21:21] <mercutio> aren't savvis like cogent?
[21:21] <acf_> Savvis always finds some way to route you around the other side of the country
[21:21] <acf_> ie, if you're tracing LAX -> LAX it will send you to NY
[21:22] <mnathani_> Should I be looking at purchasing a dedicated and colocating somewhere?
[21:22] <mercutio> hahaha
[21:22] <mercutio> he.net used to be like that
[21:22] <mercutio> mnathani_: yes.
[21:22] <mercutio> well maybe
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[21:22] <mercutio> s/looking/considering/
[21:22] <BryceBot> <mnathani_> Should I be considering at purchasing a dedicated and colocating somewhere?
[21:22] <acf_> I think HE had some of the best routing in Canada (from my traceroutes)
[21:22] <mnathani_> I always get nervous when I am the one responsible to replace equipment
[21:22] <acf_> Peer1 was OK too
[21:22] <mnathani_> I guess remote hands to exist
[21:22] <BryceBot> That's what she said!!
[21:22] <mnathani_> BryceBot: no
[21:22] <BryceBot> Oh, okay... I'm sorry. 'I guess remote hands to exist'
[21:22] <mercutio> yeh he.net is terrible to asia, and used to have some weird stuff in the US, but i think it's not too bad in canada
[21:23] <mercutio> it's around atlanta that it was most iffy iirc
[21:23] <mercutio> and weird things like sj -> ny -> fl or something
[21:23] <mercutio> mnathani_: just get 3 hosts
[21:23] <mercutio> and host 2
[21:24] <mercutio> then you have redundancy and a spare host if run into issues
[21:24] <mercutio> l5520 type hosts are cheap on ebay
[21:24] <mercutio> and good enough for non cpu demanding things
[21:25] <mercutio> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-PROLIANT-DL320-G6-SERVER-505768-B21-XEON-SIX-CORE-X5650-2-67GHz-DVD-MULTI-/331584098520?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d33f3d0d8
[21:25] <mercutio> what about something like that?
[21:26] <mercutio> there are lots of options, and shipping varies a lot...
[21:26] <mercutio> but if you don't need a lot of cpu the hp g6s all have ilo built in for remote serial / video
[21:26] <mnathani_> bring your own ram
[21:27] <mercutio> you need ddr3 ecc
[21:27] <mercutio> which is about $100 US per 16gb i think
[21:27] <mercutio> with single cpu you can run 6 or 9 slots depending if you care about maxing memory speed
[21:27] <mercutio> with dual cpu 12 or 18
[21:28] <mercutio> but you only really want to go dual cpu if virtualising or knowing you're running really scalable stuff
[21:28] <mnathani_> something like : http://www.ebay.com/itm/16GB-4X4GB-DDR3-MEMORY-RAM-PC3-10600-ECC-REG-DIMM-/350444499824?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51981eb370
[21:28] <mercutio> i'd shift to a e3 or e5 if cpu demands were high
[21:28] <mercutio> yeh except if you want to mix with existing ram you have to check if it's registered or unregistered
[21:28] <mercutio> if replacing all ram then it goes in sets of 3
[21:28] <mercutio> so i'd do 3x8gb..
[21:28] <mercutio> ie it's triple channel
[21:30] <mercutio> http://www.ebay.com/itm/48GB-6X8GB-Hynix-HMT31GR7CFR4A-H9-2Rx4-PC3L-10600R-DDR3-1333-1-35V-/181768655729?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a52419371
[21:30] <mercutio> you could go for something like that...
[21:31] <mercutio> if you're not paying for power you may want to just go dual cpu, second hand it makes not much difference to price
[21:31] <mercutio> then there's whether you want to go for 2.5" or 3.5" hard-drives
[21:31] <mercutio> 2.5" is handy for ssd's
[21:31] <mercutio> but then you want to put a different raid controller in
[21:32] <mercutio> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Proliant-DL360-G6-Server-2-Quad-Core-X5570-2-93GHz-48GB-1-146HDD-/271928680850?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f50366192
[21:32] <mercutio> that's already got 48gb of ram.
[21:33] <mnathani_> those are way more perfomance than we need
[21:33] <mercutio> and faster cpu for mhz, but quad instead of hex core.
[21:33] <mnathani_> currently running on ; Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E31240 @ 3.30GHz
[21:33] <mercutio> e3 is fast
[21:33] <mercutio> the 5500/5600 are like half the speed of e3
[21:34] <mercutio> dual cpu on the high end is similar in performance
[21:34] <mercutio> as long as threadable
[21:34] <mnathani_> 90% idle through the day though
[21:34] <mercutio> i don't think e3s are cheap to buy second hand or new though
[21:34] <mercutio> yeh if you don't need cpu you don't need cpu
[21:34] <mercutio> my personal dedicated server is an i3 with 8gb of ram
[21:34] <mercutio> it never seems slwo
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[21:35] <mnathani_> any virtualization?
[21:35] <mercutio> it's dl180g7 i think
[21:35] <mercutio> nope
[21:35] <mercutio> err dl120
[21:35] <mercutio> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-HP-Proliant-DL120G7-12Gb-250Gb-Xeon-3-1Ghz-1U-Rack-Mount-Server-/271929110697?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f503cf0a9
[21:35] <mercutio> like that but i3
[21:35] <mercutio> oh hmm that's an e3 for ok cost
[21:36] <mercutio> main caveat is single psu
[21:36] <mercutio> but they take 4x3.5" hard-disks
[21:36] <mercutio> and i stuck a ssd in hiding behind the hard-drives for ssd cache
[21:36] <mercutio> they don't do hw raid, but you get the normal intel sata ahci ports (no sas)
[21:36] <mercutio> and although there are 4 bays, there are 6 ports.
[21:37] <mercutio> also they don't take registered ram
[21:37] <mercutio> so yeah just figure out requirements, and you can probably find something cheap
[21:38] <mnathani_> whats decent in terms of price for 1U / 2U colocation?
[21:39] <mercutio> completely depends on location
[21:39] <mercutio> i'd ballpark $50 to $200 for 1u
[21:39] <mnathani_> I would probably have to figure out commit rate and 95th percentile
[21:39] <mercutio> yeah or just get gb
[21:39] <mercutio> it's usually cheaper where electricity/real estate is cheaper
[21:40] <mercutio> and more expensive when known brand is on it
[21:40] <mercutio> i don't think toronto is a "cheap" city
[21:40] <acf_> gb?
[21:40] <mercutio> gigabytes.
[21:40] <acf_> is 1U the 'cheapest' unit?
[21:41] <mercutio> yeah
[21:41] <mercutio> 1u is what i linked
[21:41] <mercutio> racks are usually 46 to 56u tall
[21:41] <mercutio> err it seems some are 42
[21:42] <mercutio> you may have power limit as well
[21:43] <acf_> is colocation or renting a dedicated server usually cheaper?
[21:43] <mercutio> colocation long term dedicated short term
[21:43] <mercutio> but colocation is a bitch if you're not in the same city
[21:43] <mercutio> or if you don't want to have to go there :)
[21:44] <acf_> it's annoying you have to email for quotes for colo
[21:44] <mercutio> tehre's also the thing of how many servers you want... if you want 1 or 2 servers then it's harder to have spares then if you want 7 or 8 servers.
[21:44] <mnathani_> dedicated has the advantage that replacing parts is someone else's responsibility
[21:44] <mercutio> arp is listing colo price on their web site
[21:44] <mercutio> mnathani_: yeh
[21:44] <mercutio> hah ok it says contact for quote
[21:45] <mercutio> but yeah, it /was/ a lot cheaper than dedicated
[21:45] <mnathani_> main page says $99 / month
[21:45] <acf_> so do you usually ask the datacenter for a quote?
[21:45] <mercutio> but now dedicated doesn't cost that much more through some peopl
[21:45] <mercutio> you don't have to deal with othe rpeople going into the dc and access and so on
[21:45] <acf_> and a transit provider?
[21:45] <mercutio> well like somewhere like arp you get bundled transit
[21:46] <mercutio> but some places are just data centres and you can choose your transit
[21:46] <mercutio> but if you're getting 1u you don't want to buy separate transit
[21:46] <mercutio> if you're getting a rack it makes sense though
[21:46] <mnathani_> other datacenters you can get a crossconnect and buy transit directly from the providers
[21:46] <mercutio> mnathani_: yeh but crossconnects can bel ike $200
[21:46] <mercutio> plus the bandwidth cost
[21:46] <acf_> $200 per month?
[21:47] <mercutio> yeh
[21:47] <acf_> woah
[21:47] <mnathani_> like he said you would only do it if you had a rack or specific needs
[21:47] <mercutio> yeh but if you pay $1000/month for transit then $200/month for cross connect it doesn't seem so bad.
[21:47] <mercutio> it can vary a lot
[21:48] <mercutio> but like where arp's located the data centre is spread across multiple buildings.
[21:48] <mercutio> and like getting your own fibre between buildings is way more expensive than that
[21:48] <acf_> so how is transit typically billed?
[21:49] <mnathani_> commit rate and 95th percentile
[21:49] <acf_> so commit rate is the minimum rate you have to pay for, regardless of what you actually use?
[21:49] <mnathani_> I heard if you want gigabit, you need minimum 100 meg commit
[21:49] <mnathani_> right
[21:49] <mercutio> acf: 95th or flat rate.
[21:50] <mercutio> mnathani_: varies
[21:50] <mercutio> i'm sure arp would do gigabit line with lower than 100 megabit commit
[21:50] <mercutio> link
[21:50] <acf_> what's a typical rate ($/mbit/s)?
[21:51] <mercutio> acf: there isn't one
[21:51] <mercutio> it varies
[21:51] <mercutio> cogent and he.net can be as low as 50c/megabit
[21:51] <mercutio> but that's on high commit levels
[21:51] <mercutio> and in areas they have excess capacity
[21:51] <mercutio> generally speaking if you want to get 4x10gigabit links you can get good pricing easily.
[21:52] <mercutio> but if you want to get 100 megabit, don't even think about going direct.
[21:52] <brycec> fwiw here's a cheap colo deal https://www.fdcservers.net/colocation.php
[21:52] <brycec> (they are *cheap* and not known for being "great")
[21:52] <mercutio> level3 i've heard numbers like $3/megabit, but don't know anythign current
[21:53] <acf_> do people like HE sell colocation outside of the datacenters they own?
[21:53] <brycec> You can't sell someone else's space
[21:53] <mercutio> dunno
[21:53] <mercutio> fremont he.net has a really bad rep
[21:53] <mercutio> brycec: you can resell
[21:53] <brycec> (Well, you can resell technically, but that means you're selling your "own" generally)
[21:54] <mercutio> so he.net might provide bandwidth and rack space in a dc they don't own
[21:54] <mercutio> i wouldn't go with he.net primary for anything important
[21:54] <acf_> in Canada they're looking pretty good
[21:54] <mercutio> a blend is still probably better
[21:56] <mercutio> http://www.caneris.com/Hosting#colocation
[21:56] <mercutio> $125/month for 1u colocation,
[21:56] <mercutio> wtf
[21:56] <mercutio> 10mbps port
[21:57] <mnathani_> I have 10 meg upload at my residence
[21:58] <mnathani_> 60 meg down
[21:58] <mnathani_> thats a joke
[21:58] <mercutio> yeah it looks old
[21:58] <mercutio> i'm sure they'd do 100 megabit for the same cost :/
[21:58] <mercutio> i have no idea if they're good, it's just the first quote i found in toronto
[21:58] <mnathani_> there is 100 megabit then there is 100 megabit you can actually use and burst to
[21:58] <mercutio> i wouldn't worry about 100 megbit generally these days
[21:59] <mercutio> i'd be more concerned with transit providers / peering etc.
[21:59] <mercutio> oh amanah might be ok
[21:59] <mercutio> it's not 100tb on all servers
[21:59] <mercutio> but ouch $200
[22:00] <mercutio> @exch 200 cad to usd
[22:00] <BryceBot> 200 CAD -> 157.03579238298 USD (as of Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:01:01 -0700)
[22:00] <mercutio> oh not so bad
[22:00] <mercutio> they charge $100 for 1u with 30tb/100 megabit
[22:00] <mercutio> 1 amp
[22:01] <mercutio> what voltage is canada?
[22:01] <mercutio> ahh 110
[22:01] <mnathani_> 110 v for res
[22:01] <mercutio> yeh i didn't know if it was the same as US or not
[22:01] <mercutio> so yeah 1 amp is not much power
[22:02] <mercutio> it's at 1 yonge street
[22:02] <mercutio> do you know where that is?
[22:02] <BryceBot> That's what she said!!
[22:02] <mnathani_> yea
[22:02] <mnathani_> its downtown
[22:02] <mercutio> convenient?
[22:02] <mnathani_> parking can be expensive
[22:02] <mnathani_> but yea
[22:02] <mercutio> i wonder if they provide parking
[22:03] <mercutio> well it's like $80 usd/month cheaper for colo
[22:04] <mnathani_> https://www.amanah.com/Network/
[22:04] <mercutio> and you get 30tb instead of 10tb but you get 100megabit instead of gigabit
[22:04] <mercutio> it's bell.ca from here
[22:05] <mercutio> oh front street west is the main building i think
[22:05] <mnathani_> Because we’re located so close to the American border, we’re able to offer both Canadian- and US- geolocated IP addresses
[22:05] <mnathani_> that is also downtown
[22:05] <mercutio> that's not /because/ of that.
[22:05] <mnathani_> convenient to get to also
[22:06] <mercutio> swewet
[22:06] <mercutio> well maybe go with colo there?
[22:06] <mercutio> they're not on he.net
[22:06] <mercutio> it doesn't look like
[22:06] <mercutio> but he.net peer anyway :/
[22:06] <mercutio> erk they're on cogent :/
[22:08] <mercutio> y'know i don't know if they give you a vpn for ipmi
[22:08] <BryceBot> <mercutio> ert they're f  cfge t :/
[22:08] <acf_> BryceBot: ?
[22:08] <mercutio> i think it's the y'know
[22:08] <mercutio> y'know
[22:08] <mercutio> hmm
[22:09] <mercutio> erk
[22:09] <mercutio> ok i'm lost what is it :)
[22:09] <mercutio> cogent
[22:09] <acf_> y'know i don't know if they give you a vpn for ipmi
[22:09] <BryceBot> <mercutio> cfge t
[22:09] <acf_> y'know i don't know if they give you a vpn for ipmi
[22:09] <BryceBot> <mercutio> cfge t
[22:09] <acf_> umm
[22:09] <mercutio> i think he's laggy too
[22:09] <acf_> y'know i don't
[22:09] <BryceBot> <mercutio> i thint he's laggy too
[22:09] <acf_> y'know i don
[22:09] <brycec> Because y// is a valid perl operator
[22:10] <brycec> equivalent of tr//
[22:10] <mercutio> oh it's y/
[22:10] <mercutio> y'test/
[22:10] <brycec> y/t/r/
[22:10] <BryceBot> <mercutio> y'resr/
[22:10] <brycec> (and ' is a valid delimiter in sed)
[22:10] <brycec> (and BryceBot just mashes it all up together)
[22:11] <mercutio> heh
[22:11] <brycec> So above it was the two y'know i don't
[22:11] <brycec> that was y''
[22:12] <acf_> mercutio: what specifically is so bad about HE?
[22:12] <acf_> their routing has always seemed sane to me
[22:12] <mercutio> acf_: they're a cheap non-premium provider with reduced redundancy
[22:13] <acf_> ah ok
[22:13] <mercutio> i don't think being with any single provider is good fwiw
[22:13] <mercutio> it depends what expectations you have
[22:13] <mercutio> like he.net links to EU were unusable when new york had that flooding.
[22:14] <mercutio> whether that matters or not is the question
[22:14] <mercutio> i mean it was big news about the flooding etc.  it's not like it's all the time etc.
[22:14] <acf_> yea.. for my purposes redundancy isn't all too important
[22:14] <mercutio> their fremont data centre had a lot of stability issues too.
[22:14] <mercutio> then he.net is probably fine
[22:14] <acf_> it seems like HE buys a lot of transit from others
[22:15] <mercutio> also he.net is more likely to hit issues with at&t, verizon etc.
[22:15] <acf_> which makes them not as susceptible to the peering snafus
[22:15] <mercutio> you reckon?
[22:15] <mercutio> it's hard to know really
[22:15] <acf_> I may be very wrong :P
[22:15] <mercutio> ntt had some peering congestion
[22:15] <acf_> with HE?
[22:15] <mercutio> and they're meant to be tier1
[22:15] <mercutio> nah
[22:15] <mercutio> with at&t i think it was
[22:15] <mercutio> i can't recall for sure
[22:15] <acf_> Verizon
[22:16] <acf_> I was the one always complaining about that :P
[22:16] <mercutio> oh
[22:16] <mercutio> ok verizon :)
[22:16] <mercutio> verizon and at&t seem the same to me :)
[22:16] <mercutio> i know they're totally different
[22:16] <mercutio> well different companies
[22:16] <mercutio> similar attitudes :)
[22:16] <acf_> Verizon is especially bad I think
[22:17] <mercutio> so is at&t
[22:17] <mercutio> cogent<->at&t congestion was shocking
[22:17] <acf_> when two stubborn assholes peer..
[22:17] <acf_> Cogent still won't IPv6 peer with HE
[22:17] <mercutio> why!
[22:18] <acf_> you can't traceroute cogent.net from HE ..
[22:18] <mercutio> what is bell.ca like?
[22:18] <acf_> idk.. I live in the US for another month
[22:18] <acf_> then I'll find out :P
[22:18] <mercutio> heh
[22:18] <mercutio> tcore4-toronto21_hundredgige1-3-0-0.net.bell.ca
[22:19] <mercutio> i've never seen anyone else say in their reverse lookups that they're using 100ge
[22:19] <mercutio> he.net say 40gbe in some stuff i think
[22:20] <acf_> http://paste.unixcube.org/k/b513bb
[22:20] <acf_> so it looks like HE buys transit from Verizon
[22:20] <mnathani_> my route used to be he.net
[22:20] <acf_> (or peers, but that seems very unlikely)
[22:20] <mnathani_> but switched to level3 now
[22:20] <mnathani_> from Toronto to ARP
[22:20] <acf_> so I'd hope they'd just pay up if they needed to upgrade the link
[22:25] <mercutio> mnathani_: better or worse?
[22:28] <mercutio> i don't have any routing issues to arp normally