anyone use FreeRADIUS before ?
i have
Yup
It's the only Radius I've ever used,  in fact :P (And I've used it in several deployments, and using it now.)
i've used cistron radius too
although not in a long long time
brycec: does it have a web interface for configuration or is it command line / config files only?
also what capacity have you used it? My use case is centralized cisco login database
but I hear it can be used for VPN, WPA2 Enterprise wifi logins etc
I need to do read more documentation
s/do/go
<mnathani_> I need to go read more gocumentation
mnathani_: there are heaps of web ui's for it
afaik they all suck
mnathani_: you could consider ldap too for that i imagine
if you just want to add users the sql structure is pretty simple
http://wiki.freeradius.org/modules/Rlm_sql
Don't suppose anyone knows how long graphs.arpnetworks.com is going to be down?
rendrag: probably not long?
up_the_irons: you around?
ok
been down about 12 hours so far
wasn't sure if it was a known outage, or if I should email them
did you do a ticket?
probably if in doubt email
well that's what i'd do if i cared ;)
FreeRadius itself does not have a GUI.  01:39:51      mnathani_ | brycec: does it have a web interface for configuration or is it command line / config files only?
But since it can pull from all sorts of sources/databases...
brycec: it sort of does now
there's soemthing called dialupadmin on their page
That would be news to me. But I don't care :P
but it's loosely coupled etc i imagine
pfSense makes a pretty easy GUI/RADIUS server actually
i've used ara too
ara is pretty basic
http://labs.asn.pl/ara/
Well *I* didn't know about it, if that counts for anything :P 01:52:42              ⤷ | wasn't sure if it was a known outage, or if I should email them
i checked my graphs like a week ago and it was working
but i don't check very often at all
Ditto
i learnt that leaving mtr running  pushes my traffic baseline up
My machines monitor their own bandwidth, and I have such a fat allotment anyways...
i don't think i'm even doing much volume
haha yeah, I don't check it overly often either
we've just been doing a fair bit of international traffic this week, so i wanted to check were we're at
ahh
(one of our upstreams uses black lotus for DDoS mitigation, and BL suck majorly for throughput - can't get more than ~5mbps through them, so we use an ARP networks VPS with a BGP session and GREv6 tunnels to get our international traffic over the pond to AU here, without BL being in the way
you get like 10tb of data if you get a dedicated server
yeah I'm about to send them an email to see about migrating to a dedi
just had a few months on a VPS to see what their stability is like :)
I have 12TB
yeah for your user case i'd recommend
(on my dedi's account)
It's been pretty impressive, only one BGP outage
use
(though there is a VPS in that mix now that I think about it)
what was the bgp outage?
I don't know, late march, they dropped off the internet for ~5 mins
rendrag: what's throughput like from nz to you out of curiosity?
could get in on V6, but not V4
does it bypass the mitigation shit
depends on where in NZ
like 202.49.71.24
our main upstream has gear in NZ, so anything on peering in NZ ends up coming across directly
ahh
what's an ip of yours
That's what she said!!
i hope it's not vocus :/
yep that goes straight across :)
103.235.52.2
vocus are shit from nz for their peered stuff
bloody vocus
25.8msec min, 26.5msec average
(I should mention I also work at my upstream, lol)
do you peer in sydney?
i don't, my upstream does
traceroute to your IP hits megaport peering in syd, then goes across the pond inside plain's network from the look
who's the upstream?  servercontrol?
yip reverse path hits vocus ape
yeah, servers australia
megaport in both dircetions would be faster
(servercontrol is their whitelabel brand to keep some customers happy ;) )
ahh
wow your web site loaded quick
some of their smaller (but like to pretend they're bigger) customers got cranky having sau.net.au hops in traceroutes lol
heh
Thoughts on https://www.icann.org/stewardship/coordination-group out of curiosity?
you have cheap vps's ;)
and yet noone ever signs up for them, go figure
meanwhile I sell a mega-shit-tonne of shoutcast streaming lol
heh
it's probably openvz
yeah those ones are :)
is my thought upon reading it
I should put the xen plans up some day
sell a lot of those, but it's all word of mouth
put it up then
figured I wouldn't sell expensive VPS's by general passing traffic
i have a vultr host i use for testing stuff from australia
it's all citrix xenserver with iscsi san backend
no-one else seemed to have affordable au vps's
nice and reliable, but not cheap in the slightest
oh they're expensive.
hahaha
i like your icon for your service status ;/
it reminded me of xymon
it is ;)
damn xymon is ugly
but it works well
started off as big brother back in the 90's
and then when that went commercial, I installed hobbit, and it used the same config and history, and then went to xymon when hobbit changed names
i like it how your web pages load quick
ramdrive for mysql tmp tables :)
makes a crazy difference
with all the database lookups etc most people selling hosting and stuff seem to have web sites that crawl
bloody mysql
hah ayeah
would be bad form for me to have a slow DB ;)
we (servers aus, not rendag) hosted the afl/nfl fantasy football last year
now THAT was some mysql tuning ;)
That's what she said!!
had 32gb of ramdrive per db server ;)
is it serversaustralia or rendrag you work for?
but we were stustaining 5000 concurrent web requests without a sweat :)
or do youwork for both?
both :-p
ahh
sau is my day job, rendrag is my own thing
ahh right
and serversaustralia don't mind?
well they're selling you bandwidth
so they can't mind too much :)
(rendrag kinda formed out of a previous employer that went bust back in 2004, and paid me out by handing me their client base)
ahh
haha yeah they don't mind, just have to keep it balanced if I do rendrag stuff during work hours
so you're not really expanding it
nah, it just slowly expands, pickup ~15 clients a year, drop maybe 5 a year
haha
serversaustralia web page loads much slower
hah ayeah,I have nothing to do with the public website
this is what i mean by web sites that load slow ;/
I look after the customer portal and all the backend provisioning automations
yeah, their site has way too much marketing crap on it
all the various analytics-ey stuff
curl --compressed -v https://www.serversaustralia.com.au/  0.01s user 0.00s system 0% cpu 3.720 total
i mean seriously
the main web page before all that stuff still takes 3.7 seconds to load
curl --compressed -v https://www.rendrag.net.au/ > /dev/null  0.01s user 0.00s system 3% cpu 0.300 total
an order of magnitude faster :)
hahahahh yeah
man, wtf are they doing with the redirects
curl --compressed -v https://www.arpnetworks.com/ > /dev/null  0.01s user 0.00s system 1% cpu 0.579 total
www.servers -> servers -> https://servers, and THEN 3 seconds
arp is fine too, and it's further away..
probably some cookies thing i dunno
yeah, I might dig at that a bit tomorrow
that knid of slowness isn't uncommon though
heh, out of curiosity i tried checking my email for rendrag.  you post to ausnog a lot? :)
perhaps ;)
heh
nothing about blacklotus sucking i see though
haha nah
i suppose you can't really say that in public
can't really gripe about it too publically when my work spruik's them so hard ;)
yeh
yeah it's one thing that really puts me off serversaustralia :/
the other is using vocus :/
haha
it's hard to get away from vocus now
even equinix use them as their upstream :\
price?
megaport :/
why even touch equinix
equininix is overpriced anyway
because the boss did some crazy deals with both, and x amount of transit gets included with every rack
and if they're going to use vocus ...
which ads up like mad when you're buying hundreds and hundreds of racks ;)
so they're not allowed to buy non vocus transit?
or just harder to justify the expense of
nono, equinix and vocus are the largest datacenters here in .au ;)
hmm
isn't equinix like really expensive per 1u?
new zealand sucks for data centres
it's not that cheap to fix though
yeah they're not cheap.. but we buy a few hundred racks from them, so the price comes down quite remarkably
so no-one seems to be willing to suddenly build a decent datacentre with good pricing
at a few hundred you could consider building your own dc?: )
was funny actually, I got a call from equinix a few weeks ago..  'We noticed on your website, that you say you're colocated at equinix!  We don't have a record of you, so you must be through one of our customers.. We'd like to get you to move directly to us!! We can be very competitive!'
'Sure, just match what I pay with my current provider, and I'd be receptive!'
haha
'Oh, how much do you pay?
$0?
i think that's fucking rude btw
'1450 a month per rack for 3 racks, and 2 gig of transit!'
*crickets chirping*
2 gigabit flat rate for $1450/month?
hell 3 racks for $1450/month
that sounds good ;)
yeah, they left a message, so I called them back from my work phone, and they went through all of that, so I emailed my boss and he pulled the call and then got stuck into our account manager :-p
well, 3 racks * 1450/month, and then transit thrown in.. helps to work there ;)
though they tend to throw in 10-20mbit per rack if you order full racks
oh it's 1450 per rack
duh
(sau don't sell racks that cheap though normally ;)
is power on top of that?
nah that's included
dual feeds?
but 13.5Amps which is a little low
yeah dual feeds though
that's a lot low
well to really use a rack :)
i thought they'd do 15amp
i suppose that's 10% head room?
yeah I think they do that, to get some head room for their dedicated server racks
using these new supermicro cases doing 12 servers in 3ru
they're bloody cool
also averaging around 40w per blade
how much power?
what's max like?
which is freakishly good
even that's like 2amps per 3u
the dual cpu blades will pull about 120W max
yeah
so you could only do like 18u of them
though you can't fill a rack with them
hence the not enoguh power to fill a rack :)
one 3ru microcloud chassis has 12 ipmi ports, and 24 ethernet ports
and you're selling them as cheap dedicated servers?
yeah we're starting to
they've only just come out of product development
ahh
yeah actually now i check out your prices they don't seem so great haha
15gb of bw in your cheap vps :)
hah yeah
I need to sit down and do the maths again
I priced them back before I moved to SAU
and was on 100mbps with my previous workplace
the sales manager at work is always like 'dude, push your banwdidth limits etc right up, people don't use anywhere near their quota, so over-quote it!!!'
but I'm like 'yeah, but it'd be just my luck I DID say 1tb quota with every VPS, and then I'd sell 20 vps, and they'd ALL do 1tb each!'
i was hitting my quota limit on my cheap vultr vm
but i'm doing curl bandwidth tests with smokeping
ends up using about 200gb per location
hmm that's like 2/3rd of a megabit of bandwidth
oh well :)
just double them all, it's the easiest non-thinking thing to do
you could probably do 10x as much though yeh ... bu tyou might encourage people wanting to torrent etc
but you did say you had 2 gigabit of bandwidth...
lol yeah
my concern is that should I leave servers someday, that 2 gigabit may not be gratis anymore ;)
hmm
yeah, and what's the going price for bandwidth, $15/megabit?
so even though i don't pay for it, I work it out at what I know it would cost if I have to
yeah, about that :)
i doubt you're doing anything close to 2 gigabit
and at 2 gigabit commit it'd come down :)
hahah nothing near it
more like 60mbits
so that's like $900/month
maybe less
yeah
if you can do 95th and you just have some bursts of more
it'll come down further anyway
hmm
60 megabit is still quuite a few tb
nearly 20tb
hmm, i see why you want to check graphs now :)
graphs seems to be working again btw
cool, changed plans around a little
lol yeah, currently on a 500gb/month vps :-p
(I do surprisingly little international traffic)
(and most of that is my own torrents LOL)
Oh they are back too!
yeah australia has poor upload speeds?
sometimes i have peers in australia if i torrent, they never seem to upload at more than like 20k/sec
probably more that most australians are stuck on adsl with 256k upload speed ;)
wow really
yeah, there's some epic congestion
plus teh lines are just really crap
vdsl is available here quite oftne
does about 9.5 megabit/sec up i think
im' only 3km from the exchange, but I only sync at 6/800
3km is ages away
i'm about 300 metres :/
and if I upload/download more than about 75% capacity, the line drops every couple of minutes
which is pretty standard
haha
3km is good
really?
most exchanges cover a 20km radius
they're doing cabinets here
wow
so you'll find rim's everywhere
i've been at uhh 6 or 7km
it sucked
where there's a rim, it's 8 or 16 adsl lines on a 8mbps backhaul to the exchange
eww ;/
yeah i read something on whirlpool about that ;/
or you might get a large rim (48 adsl ports), that they've upgraded to 600mbps instead (there's four fibres to each rim, they'll either be 2mbps each, or 155mbps each)
and ou're sharing that bandwidth with phone calls too
so it's still atm?
so there might be 500 phones lines into a rim, and there's 8, 16, or 48 dsl ports for them
lame
yeah i heard that internet is prett ybad there
but i thought local loop unbundling was helping things a bit
problem is, ULL only works if you're NOT on a rim
for some reason they're pushing for 200 megabit down here
and if the exchange is open for other providers
it's kind of weird
for example, the exchange I'm on (gorokan) is the largest single DA in australia
5 years ago i had 10 megabit down
and there's no other providers in the exchange
so the only choice is telstra
then it jumped to about 20 megabit
haha yeah
NZ seems really good
and now people are all getting 200 megabit?
ewll if in fibre area
my previous work, we had 10mbps EFM into each office, which was the fastest we could get at all
my house doesnt' get fibre until 2019
i've got vdsl+adsl
our NZ office when they moved, we were told 'oh, Snap have gear in the building, phone them'
upgrading the  backup adsl connection to vdsl too
I phone snap, and we get 100mbps fibre for like $1k a month
where as our 10/10 EFM services in .au, we were paying $2500 a pop for
you can do gpon often
heh
dark fibre prices have come way down
you can do 10 gigabit really cheap using dark fibre
GPON is what they're doing for the NBN over here
think it's $350/end or something
yeah
you can get point to point non dark fibre too
only the govt screwed it in the last election, and instead of fibre to the house, most of the country is now going to get fibre to the node
yeah i saw that :)
so i have a cabinet 3 blocks away which I'll be able to get vdsl to
they reckon i'll get 35mbps down
but like
i saw someone saying about how they doing everything wrong
if you order a second service
and shouldn't do qos etc
you don't get a second VDSL
should keep things simple
you only ever get that ONE vdsl
if you order extra services, they're just delivered as extra ethernet ports off the same NTU
oh what
they're still doing that ntu shit?
how lame
can they do vdsl bonding?
are they still charging like $20/megabit for domestic backhaul ?
that's what seemed to me the most scary part
like what's the point of having a fast pipe if you pay shit loads for local traffic over it
and when you charge more for domestic than international it's just crazy
which means people will all want to cap how quickly people can do stuff etc
block netflix as bandwidth intensive etc
man, to get $20/mbit you have to buy a LOT of transit
but the worst bit
and when it's lke $20 megabit then peak time with movies and stuff is extra scary
on the NBN, there's 121 POI's
(points of interconnect)
oh it's more than $20/megabit on nbn?
yeah
that's why internode got sold?
to service everyone in australia, an ISP has to have gear in every POI
someone should start doing their own fibre network :)
and you can't do your own fibre at a POI
you have to pay NBN to backhaul to the capital city for that state
why not?
at $45/mbit
err 35/mbit
what
oh it's 35/mbit
i mean seriously
that's not even appropriate for adsl
it's like wtf, it's private backhaul, it's not even trasnit or anything
let alone faster network connections
meanwhile NBN are trying to tell consumers that they can buy 100mbps NBN for $80/month
people are going to have 100 megabit fibre with 100gb data caps
or peak time rate limits of 2 megabit
yeah, there's already TIO disputes about it
i mean $3.50/megabit is pushing it
'I USED MY WHOLE QUOTA IN AN HOUR, AND THEN THEY CHARGED ME A DOLLAR A GIGABYTE!!'
but $35
yeah, like NBN should be a whole order of magnitude bigger than megaport intercap
heh there's been congestion issues here recently a bit
as bandwidth usage is climbing
yet it's stupidly more expensive than megaport
it used to be really bad here
but ever since the atm -> ethernet migration things have been a lot better
ahh nice
i mean there's occasional issues
but there used to be 5 to 10% packet loss at peak time all the time
oh wow
yeah made it hard to use the net
started getting worse and worse, was bad at 4 pm even
got better around midnight
and of course torrents were fine
my dsl is so bad here, that i actually run 3g as a backup, run PPTP over both ADSL and 3g, and MPLS+OSPF over the top with a 2 second timeout on the session over the adsl tunnel
because they used heaps of connections
but web browsing sucked
wow
and just throw all my traffic via the data center :-p
how much data do you get with 4g?
otherwise the internet is unusable for 2-3 mins every 30 mins
none
it's $10/gb :-p
err 3g even
wow
I use a data sharing sim off my company mobile account
is it high loss or high latency?
so we have three mobiles with 6gb each, which is all shared
so most of the time it doesn't cost me anything
i've been thinking about hacking together some stuff to mitigate against issues over the top of normal ip
depends on the time of day, and whether I have 4g recpeption
if the weather is good, it sits on 4g, and then it's ~30msec with no loss
and to do joining of two dsl connections at the IP level
rather than ppp bonding
if it drops to 3g, then i'm with all the plebs on their 3g dongles, and then it sucks with 300msec latency
telstra has two networks, 3g and 4g
ie be able to get faster throughput with 2 connections at once
their wholesalers only get access to 3g
lame
4g is telstra retail only
maybe you can get better antenna?
there's no 4g here :(
yeah I should do that, haven't really looked at it much yet
nbn is meant to be here in september
so i've been dragging my feet a bit
ahh
is that vdsl nbn for you?
when nbn comes in, i'll order a tail through work, and terminate it straight to my lns
yeah vdsl
cool
ends up as an ethernet port from their MTU, which I do pppoe over
s/M/N
<rendrag> ends up as an ethernet port from their NTU, which I do pppoe over
can't you just run straight ip over it?
hahahahah that's cool
you'd think so, but no
that'd make too much sense
qinq?
we had the same back in 2005'ish with 'TransAct', which was the canberra fibre network
why go with pppoe still?
and was suposed to be one HUGE ethernet network with 10/8 on it
and then you'd bring up a PPTP/L2TP tunnel to an ISP
then nortel went bust at the last minute, and it all fell apart
damn
so will you get the tail delivered via l2tp or pppoe?
I'm not sure, I think they decided then it'd be plug and play from ADSL, you'd unplug your adsl modem from your router, and plug in the NBN NTU, and it'd 'just work'
I'm not sure, seems to be PPPOE
so you do pppoe on a vlan to them
one of the guys at work had his NBN installe the other day, and he just unplugged one of his ADSL modems (he has three lines doing OSPF over them), and plugged into the NTU, and bingo, his PPPOE session just came up
they do l2tp or pppoe to nbn or whatever
nah, they have four ethernet ports
i mean when it terminates on your network
OH
i don't care about the ntu
yeah ends up as l2tp from work's LNS
you can probably stick your own vdsl modem on
and just ignore their whole shit
yeah I'lll see
NBN makes it a bit dicky
cause their NTU has four ethernet ports, and two phone ports
it's about $80 for a vdsl modem here
probably about the same there
then normal vdsl modem can just do bridging
with in-built VOIP, that's all auto-configured via the NBN provisioning stuff
and you can still terminate on linux
without their weird shit
you don't need their voip stuff though?
if you order services from multiple ISP's, the API call to NBNco just comes back saying 'complete, ask custome to connect to ethernet 3'
hmm
 Host                                Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
 1. 192.168.11.1                      0.0%  5089    1.0   0.7   0.6  12.8   0.4
 2. 192.168.13.2                      0.2%  5089   28.4  27.8  18.8  99.4   3.4
    192.168.13.3
 3. core-rtr-01-vlan49.syd01.nsw.ren  0.1%  5089   28.9  28.3  19.2  91.5   3.0
 4. rtr02.syd01.nsw.rendrag.net.au    0.1%  5089   30.6  28.9  21.4  72.4   2.7
 5. po112.310.bdr-1-3-new.servercont  0.2%  5089   31.5  29.5  21.6  80.8   2.9
what if you run hard both connections at once
oh look, I must have fallen over to 3g for a while there
and complain that one is going slow?
haha not sure
noone has FTTN yet
my suburb is the first in .au
oh
why do they call it fttn?
why not just call it vdsl?
fibre to the node
i know
they don't want to tell people it's just *dsl
cause all hell would break loose
god
when the current govt got voted in, they cancelled all planned works for the NBN the next day
can llu do vdsl too?
yeah it was ick
and the country just about exploded
i mean i don't like how it's going in nz
so they very quickly went 'Oh, we're going to do this FTTN trial, these 20 places are going on the trial, we just paid telstra $8b to do it!'
but i look at australia and it's so much worse
yeah i can, but you need to be within like 2km of the exchange, and have a VDSL provider in the exchange
yeah has anyone taken them to court yet?
I don't think there really is any though
it's obviously some kind of insider thing
VDSL is mostly used in big apartment buildings where someone like TPG or PIPE or someone pulls fibre into the building, then puts VDSL into the basement
yeah
who wants to live in an apartment building though
we have EoC/EFM/BDSL, where they bond 2-8 pairs together to give you up to 10mbps symmetrical, but you have to be within like 1km of the exchange
haha yeah
what upload speed are they doing on vdsl?
I'm not sure
because my connection could do over 30 megabit/sec
but it's being capped at 10
and that's PTM 10... so has high overhead
and from what i recall australia is even more into senselessly limiting upload speed for no good reason
yeah, a lot of times, if an exchange is congested, telstra's 'fix' is to limit everyone to 8/1 during peak hours
or more often, 8/256k
haha
why limit the upload?
i doubt the upload is the issue
haha i have no idea
it's annoying
our internet is totally dead whenever we plug an iphone into power to charge
as it starts backing up or uploading photos lol
i noticed a HUGE difference jumping from 1 to 10 megabit
i've now put all our iDevices into their own /28 which is limimited to 30k/sec upload
yeah
that stuff is way better at 10 megabit than 1 megabit
skype video calls used to saturate my 1 megabit upload
i'm using fq_codel now though
oh, yeah totally
have you tried that?
nope?
i get like 1 msec jitter if that
even if i use connection fully
it's an aqm (active queue management) algoritham for limiting speeds
ooooh
it uses head drop rather than tail drop
so you don't even with a whole lot of stale data in the queue
for ethernet etc you just have to tc qdisc add dev eth0 root fq_codel
but if you have dsl or such you need to limit bandwidth first
ahh yeah
it's the same as doing sfq basically
but it works better than sfq
so you can basically s/sfq/fq_codel/
hmm
i'm surprised the bot didn't "fix" that for me
lol
i've got it at both sides of my dsl though
hahahah
man
but yeah if you're terminating nbn you could do it on both sides
i had NOT thought of lmiting it at the other end
That's what she said!!
well it hepls for download :)
yeah
woudl stop my 'dsl dies at 75% capacity' problem
LOL
do you control both ends?
most people don't ;)
yeah I PPTP to one of my routers
oh
PPTP over both ADSL and 3g
oh right
so my internet just keeps going if the adsl drops out
;)
so yeah you could do it at the pptp end
why are you doing pptp? :)
because this crappy little 4g dongle doesnt pass any other tunelling protocol ;)
oh
ok that's lame
and my adsl is still in contract with telstra
november and it's out of contract
and sau don't sell dsl?
then if the nbn isn't in, I'll port it over to work
oh they do?
so you could do l2tp to your network of both adsl ane nbn?
and
yeah they do
yeah I could lol
i've been playing with accel-ppp on linux for l2tp termination
it does pppoe etc too though.
but fq_codel is only on linux so far, it's meant to be coming to os x though
L2TP should work, if it doesn't, run the LNS on port 53 :>
most of our mobile carriers are the same here, only allow TCP/UDP
haha
there is one that does allow passing of RAW IP though
nah was more that the 3g dongle's nat is VERY basic
it's linux on a stick that presents an LTE interface to the device it's plugged into
ooh nice
I managed to hack it's filesystem around enough to change the subnet it was using on the LTE interface back to my mikrotik
it's quite buggy though
needs power cycling about every 4 days
i have a hilink like that... displays a virtual ethernet adaptor to which you DHCP to (and NATs on dongle)
but I have a script setup for that now
pain in the royal
if it can't ping the router at the DC for 60 seconds, it does a USB reset
i wish telstra would let us wholesale 4g
on 3g, it comes up up and authenticates to L2TP as the IMEI of the card
MVNO'ing here is quite simple to acquire
so we can drop them right into customer VRF's which is sexy as hell
oooh
there's something kinda cool about being able to ping the GPS nav in your car, from your lounge room lol
my ISP offer a wholesaled 3G service that does something similar, they can hand off the connection to your own L2TP
that way you can route all your 3G via your own network, give it whatever IPs you like etc.
nice yeah :)
never gotten it to work pfSense' L2TP server mind
xl2tpd it was easy
haha
maybe pfSense's one is as finnicky as RouterOS's
i think it's the shared key issue
pfsense and their choices dont logically matchh
yeah
RouterOS, you have to have the upstream LNS turn off key's and have RouterOS purely auth by IP address
i miss my old routerboard
(auth the upstrem LNS, that is)
used to swear by that thing on dual adsl w/ a eDOCSIS too
hah nice
RB750 - three lines got me about 28mbps max (and would soon start to cause the thing to flap)
hahah yeah
you'd be pushing the routing limit on it if you were bonding
now im cheap-skate and use an openwrt and pfsense
hmm.. gftp being weird.. just went to download a 2,003,075,125 KB file, it's now at 3,721,121,023 tranferred :/
it's gonna be one these days /me thinks
is pfsense using mpd?
for l2tp, yea
it uses mpd for pretty much any kind of PPP like link iirc
pptp, l2tp, ppp(oe/oa)
if FreeBSD moved away from netgraph_pppoe, things might get better
it is sooo behind
come on google... it's not funny
"When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." and a picture of sherlock holmes
why is itn ot funny?
because it should work perfectly fine without JavaScript
what are you referring to
sites use javascript now, that's just a way of life
js is fine. imo the biggest joke is meteorjs sites that actually push all html through websocket
I'm developing a website currently and it will work without JS, with the JS only adding to the experience
I find JS Web sites hard to use.
i think the web in general is hard to use :)
There's so many sites each with their own layout that often it's less predictable than it should be to figure out where things are.
even big sites, like amazon, it can be hard to figure out how to message them for support
although i wonder if they do that on purpose
So Gopher or die? :P
I feel that way, too.
mike-burns: What do you find hard to use?
Unique widgets, anything besides my default typeface and font size, divs that pretend to be text areas (but see also: unique widgets), AJAX POSTs, any network activity that I do not initiate myself, any network activity that the browser does not indicate progress for.
In general, anything that breaks the HTTP model, and anything that changes the widgets.
You must really hate HTML5+JS' ability to define custom elements then :P
Yup.
mike-burns: Would you explain what you mean by "AJAX POSTs"?  Given the context I think you're referring to background data requests that don't cause the page to reload?
Yes, that.
I think those are excellent points
(I figured "AJAX" was pretty self-explanatory in that context :p)
to be quite fair, "i don't want to use any font face and size but my own" starts to get a bit unreasonable
at that point you'd just want no images either and browse gopher or something
I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a text that I can physically read.
I've noticed a hute shift to Sans Serif fonts..
mercutio: The reason that's given for this, is that serifs do not render well on computer screens, as they do on paper.  Therefore they become more of a hiderance than benefit
Oh?
I studied type and newspaper design when building a product (http://pulscene.com)
I don't think Comic Sans is nice to read.
i haven't seen anywhere use comic sans non-ironic/sarcastically
I find that Serif'ed text seems easier to read when there's a lot of it
hazardous: it's pretty popular
if you get some random black+white advert in your letterbox from some small business or such it's likely to use comic sans
In OpenBSD slides.
what the hell
oh yeh that was weid mike
that's probably the last place i'd expect that
but they're bloody huge and slow and ick aynway :/
They do it for the lulz.
grr
undeadly can't go to previous pages
http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=search&query=*&sort=time
that's what older stuff links to
query=* ? :)
yesterday works
http://quigon.bsws.de/papers/2015/asiabsdcon/mgp00001.html
this is the slide stuff that i was th inking of
Yes exactly.
does that load really slowly for you?
Yes.
ok so it's not just me ;)