[00:04] *** m0unds has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1) [00:09] *** neish has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [00:14] *** m0unds_ has joined #arpnetworks [00:16] *** hawk_ has joined #arpnetworks [00:16] hi, anyone know if kvr03[?] is in a maint window? [00:18] was wondering that myself [00:19] host was responding to ping, but i dont have vnc handy to try to connect [00:19] vnc is connection refused [00:19] to my vps* [00:20] up_the_irons: something borked? [00:20] i get connection timed out on that [00:20] was wondering since twitter has maint windows in the last 30 min for a lot of other hosts [00:20] yeah, saw that too [00:20] and some of my other hosts have been rebooting this week for https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-3209 [00:21] hawk_: there is only maintenance on kvr11 (look at the dates of those posts) [00:21] kvr03 is swapping VERY heavily right now... [00:21] i'm investigating [00:21] thanks [00:21] thanks [00:21] np [00:24] *** hawk_ has quit IRC (Quit: sleep) [00:40] I'm rebooting kvr03, it just keeps getting worse... [00:49] that's weird [00:57] must be a lot of fsck activity [01:05] *** LT has joined #arpnetworks [01:10] Hey everybody, fsck ALL THE THINGS. [01:16] fsck doesn't scale [01:37] *** acf___ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [01:38] *** acf__ has joined #arpnetworks [01:51] lol [02:02] *** KDE_Perry has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [04:05] *** acf__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [04:12] *** acf__ has joined #arpnetworks [04:18] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CH4o7W5UMAAzDsh.jpg:large [04:18] *** acf__ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [04:18] *** acf__ has joined #arpnetworks [04:57] *** acf__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [04:59] *** acf__ has joined #arpnetworks [06:18] *** acf__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [06:20] *** acf__ has joined #arpnetworks [07:00] *** acf__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [07:01] *** acf__ has joined #arpnetworks [07:04] *** qbit has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [07:14] *** qbit has joined #arpnetworks [07:14] *** qbit is now known as Guest6370 [07:15] *** Guest6370 is now known as qbit [07:18] *** qbit has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [07:18] *** qbit has joined #arpnetworks [07:18] *** acf__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [07:19] *** acf__ has joined #arpnetworks [07:24] *** vermilion has joined #arpnetworks [07:24] *** vermilion is now known as acf___ [07:25] seeing some very strange network problems.. [07:25] http://kremvax.acfsys.net/smokeping.cgi?target=Remote.googledns [07:26] ping responses (or requests?) seem to be dropped intermittently [07:26] along with other packets [07:26] to my arp metal box [07:26] *** acf__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [07:27] *** acf__ has joined #arpnetworks [07:27] ex, http://paste.unixcube.org/k/21583c [07:28] also, not sure if it's related, but sometimes when I connect to SSH from 3G, I'm getting a different host fingerprint [07:28] ie, mitm [07:31] Actual mitm on ssh is unlikely, since every client warns about it and it would be detected almost immediately. A cached IPv4 host key in your client which only gets tried when you're on an ipv4 only network like 3G is more likely [07:31] hah [07:31] http://pastebin.com/aWxECP1x [07:31] yea, I'd guess it's not mitm [07:32] ^ note the sshd version differences there [07:32] different sshd o.O [07:32] why is this host running multiple sshd's? [07:32] it's not [07:32] maybe the address is being routed to multiple boxen somewhere? [07:32] o, its not your host? [07:32] afaik, no [07:33] o, then how is it related to arp o.O [07:33] http://pastebin.com/zerLMRNK [07:33] hm? [07:33] 206.125.172.134 is an ARP IP [07:33] when I ssh to my arp box.. [07:34] *** acf__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [07:34] so its your arp box but not your host [07:35] looks that way [07:35] wierd [07:35] http://pastebin.com/tVb5N7Nb [07:35] that's not my server's key fingerprint.. [07:35] sometimes it does that [07:35] That's what she said!! [07:35] sometimes the connection fails (broken pipe) [07:36] sometimes it works [07:36] That's what she said!! [07:36] its probably a different hsot hten, if you dont have that sshd version installed on your host [07:36] >.> [07:36] is windows involved in any way? :) [07:37] no :P [07:37] oh.. hmm [07:37] not that linux boxen can't be compromised [07:38] but the ratio of windows to linux vectors is like 200 to 1 :) [07:38] * RandalSchwartz relocates to work [07:38] maybe one of my spare VMs was booted, and tried to hijack the address.. [07:38] lol [07:40] *** acf__ has joined #arpnetworks [07:40] yep.. probably that [07:40] force powered off spare VM in the portal [07:40] >.> [07:41] gotta memorize your host keys [07:41] :P [07:41] haven't used that box in years.. [07:42] well, i guess you can say it works [07:42] yea.. :) [07:42] I'll remove the network configuration [07:42] so it doesn't configure itself at boot... [08:25] *** m0unds has joined #arpnetworks [08:27] was going to start a few things that i run manually last night, but the vps was so unresponsive i gave up (guessing all the guests firing up on kvr03 had places to go and filesystems to fsck) [09:28] *** KDE_Perry has joined #arpnetworks [09:42] *** LT has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [11:05] *** nclee has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [11:41] *** grody has joined #arpnetworks [11:41] *** grody has quit IRC (Client Quit) [11:42] *** grody has joined #arpnetworks [12:19] *** neish has joined #arpnetworks [16:25] am i going to regret upgrading my phone to android 5.1? [16:25] from 5.0? [16:25] nah from 4 [16:25] maybe? :P [16:25] it skipped 5.0 [16:26] i know 5.0 was a bit iffy [16:26] and i hesitated for like a whole hour [16:26] I'm still on 5.0 (Cyanogenmod) [16:26] I have not enjoyed the upgrade. [16:26] yeh i considered cyanogenmod. [16:26] I don't like the task switcher [16:26] sim hot swap is nice though [16:27] sim hot swap? [16:27] i already have sim hot swap? [16:27] my sim keeps falling out :/ [16:27] you can swap sims without restarting the phone [16:27] and i put it back in and it just works [16:27] huh nice [16:27] not on Nexus 5 apparently [16:27] well actually it's more that it says that it came un plugged and i have to open case, push it in, it comes out, then push it back in. [16:28] i hvae moto g 4g.. [16:28] oh nice [16:28] I was considering buying that phone [16:28] actually still am.. [16:28] there's a new one coming out soon i think [16:28] there were 2013 and 2014 moto g's, but 4g was only on the 2013 ones.. [16:28] but the 2014 ones actually seem worse to me - bigger screen [16:29] I'm mainly looking at Nexus 6 and Moto X 2014 now [16:29] but i thnk there's 2015 [16:29] err going to be [16:29] they're both huge? :) [16:29] yea :/ [16:29] i was considering galaxy note 3.. [16:29] http://blogs-images.forbes.com/gordonkelly/files/2014/12/2014-12-04-15.39.46-1940x1493.jpg [16:29] but the prices just didn't come down enough with the 4 launch, i think they're a bit cheaper now. [16:29] and I thought Nexus 5 was big.. [16:30] i reckon nexus 4 is big [16:30] ok when i look at both of those, the one on the rightloosks better [16:30] how do you hold the one on the left nicely when having a phone call? [16:31] yea.. that's really the only thing stopping me from buying it [16:31] http://www.androidcentral.com/sites/androidcentral.com/files/styles/large/public/postimages/276955/moto_g_2048_hero.jpg?itok=na3R8BVk [16:32] that kind of size to me seems a lot btter [16:32] Nexus 5 was bearable [16:32] but that size is definitely a lot more comfortable to hold [16:32] depends what you use it for [16:32] if you web browse on your phone on a train going to work or something then you may want a bigger phone [16:33] if you just want a phon to make phone calls, use google maps, some other minor things then moto g 4g is wonderful :) [16:33] maps is really quick on it too [16:33] i dunno if it's the 4g or cpu or gps [16:34] but with my previous phone i'd start navigation before i even got in the car [16:34] lol. I've never seen it that bad [16:34] and i'd start backing out driveway or whatever, [16:34] and it'd start to come right.. [16:34] with Nexus 5 I've had a lot of GPS problems though [16:34] even outside with a clear view of the sky [16:34] i dunno i hate it wehen you hvae to turn left or right to start, and are not sure which :) [16:35] the compass is nice for that [16:35] my old car seemed to really struggle with gps btw [16:35] i changed cars and it got better [16:35] i think that was part of the reason i started it before i got in the car [16:36] but even with different car when it got better it was still .. slow.. [16:36] and now it's instant [16:36] it's really really quick to "just go home" [16:36] hmm.. other than Nexus 5, I've never really had a problem with GPS and cars [16:36] hmm [16:37] yeh it was weird [16:37] sometimes I wonder if Google's wifi positioning thing actually improves accuracy [16:37] I think sometimes my phone can't get a GPS fix [16:37] and it goes solely off of wifi networks [16:37] ahh [16:38] have you tried the gps calculator things? [16:38] the blue dot just moves all over the place [16:38] hmm? [16:38] i think it was about 16 seconds to get a fix for me after clearing cache [16:38] oh there was some tweaks you could do too [16:38] yeh it finds all the satelittes without "remembering" [16:38] usually there's a kind of caching [16:40] I'll have to try that [16:40] yeh i can't remember what it's called, i only used it on my old phone when i was having issues [16:41] there was some region thing set too [16:41] http://www.littlegreenrobot.co.uk/hackerzone/make-your-phone-get-a-gps-lock-quicker/ [16:41] ahh it was somethign lke this [16:43] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS [16:43] Assisted GPS :: Assisted GPS (abbreviated generally as A-GPS and less commonly as aGPS) is a system that is often able to significantly improve the startup performance, or time-to-first-fix (TTFF), of a GPS satellite-based positioning system. A-GPS is extensively used with GPS-capable cellular phones, as its development was accelerated by the U.S. FCC's 911 requirement to make cell phone location data available to emergency call dispatchers... [16:43] that's kind of interesting [16:45] for me from memory i was using oceania ntp servers rather than nz [16:47] sweet my phone updated, the interface /is/ weird [16:47] 5.0.2 was particularly terrible.. had a serious memory leak [16:47] how do you change the task switcher? [16:47] i'm building 5.1.1 for my xperia m2 atm [16:47] it annoys me already :) [16:47] mercutio: you can't :/ [16:48] root/xposed/GB maybe if you're lucky [16:48] at least not without some third party extension [16:48] lame. [16:50] interesting.. two of my freebsd hosts got used in distcc for a linux compile [16:50] i supose it copies over all of the header stuff you need [16:50] or that it needs for the section it's doing [16:51] yea, pump.. didn't realise it'd work [16:51] sounds kind of nifty, i probably should try it :) [19:13] mercutio: what annoys you about task switching? [19:14] if it's the number of "recents" that show up in it, there's an app that requires root called "recently" that makes it a bit less messy [19:15] it shows these small windows overlapping [19:15] with a messsy X and so on [19:15] i was getting really sick of dhcp issues with my phone last night, so i spent some time pcapping stuff and found that the version of dhcpcd used by cyanogenmod project is screwy [19:15] i liked the old way of scrolling through things [19:16] oh, best case then would probably just be to revert to 4.0.x then because i've never seen a mod to change it [19:16] more than reducing the number of things that show up [19:16] 4.4.x rather [19:16] heh [19:16] it's cool that it's easier to get to flashlight now [19:17] *** jcv has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [19:18] i'm pretty much over using android at this point. i'll likely not own another android device once i get rid of this one [19:19] what will you get instead? [19:19] no idea [19:19] used windows phone for 2 years before android, and liked it, but was running into issues with certain apps not being available for it and not being able to carry my ipad with me everywhere [19:20] so you're considering iphone? [19:21] or windows 10, depends on whether the app situation gets better or not [19:22] wtf [19:22] my phone just loudly said "it's 20 past two" [19:22] i wasn't even touching it [19:24] ghoooooooooosts [19:25] ghosts in the shell [19:48] yeh something like that [19:48] i must assume it's someting like an email coming in whewn i had emali notifications off [19:48] it's ghosts, for sure [21:28] *** dwarren has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [21:43] *** dwarren has joined #arpnetworks [21:46] oh, cool. guess i don't need to waste any more time figuring out why IPV6 is a mess on android 5.0.x and 5.1 - https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=79576 [22:26] damn that's lame [22:29] yep [22:30] in my case, it means i don't get push notifications if i'm on an ipv6-enabled wlan [22:30] which is super awesome [22:30] i don't have ipv6 at home [22:30] i regularly had to bounce the wlan interface to get it working, which is how i found the dhcpcd issue i reported this morning [22:30] i found ipv6 had a few issues.. [22:31] they were calculating the IAID based on the first part of the hw id, and the kernel wasn't tracking it consistently so it would change each time the interface restarted [22:31] so dhcp would then assign another IP to the device htinking it was new since the duid was different (different iaid) [22:31] over the course of debugging it and pcapping i had like 20 leases for my phone, haha [22:32] i'm finding simple apps seem to load slower on android 5.1 [22:32] but mostly it seems to be ui changes [22:32] like from tapping the icon to seeing the app? or after the app loaded, waiting for content? [22:32] if it's the former, might just be an effect of the longer animations [22:33] yeh [22:33] that's weird maps showed something quickly [22:33] not sure if all android builds support it, but i know cyanogen's developer options lets you scale animations faster/slower [22:33] and i just dumped a glass of water in my lap. sigh. [22:33] hahahah [22:34] oh i have all my animations set to off [22:34] there's some forced animations now though, but i meant it just seems to have a delay before starting some programs [22:34] ah [22:34] but it's weird, "sd tools" was slower to show something than "google maps" [22:35] they changed how sdcard/ext storage works in lollipop, iirc [22:35] wifi analyser is slow too [22:35] i'm using internal storage [22:35] and the storage is pretty quick [22:36] abotu 5 seconds to open youtube [22:36] That's what she said!! [22:36] the youtube app that is [22:36] the problem is you can't just keep trying the same apps again and again or it'll be cached [22:44] this new xeon d sounds interesting [22:46] immediately thought of the "pentium d" haha [22:46] pentium d was better than pentium 4 at least :/ [22:46] http://www.anandtech.com/show/9185/intel-xeon-d-review-performance-per-watt-server-soc-champion [22:54] huh, cool [22:54] yeh [22:54] may take a while to come out / get cheap [22:54] but looks like the e3 may have an alternative that can take more than 32gb of ram [22:54] although is it ddr4? [22:55] it's interesting they're going 10baseg [22:56] oh wow their bmc has 1gb of ram [22:56] maybe they're starting to make better bmc's. [22:57] yeah it'd ddr4 - which still costs a bit more. [22:58] A better BMC? HA!! More likely they're just going to slack off and make a shittier BMC that gobbles more of its memory and doesn't work any better [22:58] * brycec glares at the computing industry at large [22:59] (The typical "We don't need to write better, leaner code. We'll just keep doing what we're doing and wait for hardware to catch up." [23:01] heh [23:01] yeh it's one of the things that bugs me :) [23:01] tbh i'd be fine with serial only and no vga [23:01] and ipmi serial [23:02] if they're just make it work well and let you power cycle etc [23:04] i can't really see that happening in a big way though [23:04] maybe they could use the ram for virtual media, and load a whole iso into memory [23:08] i don't know why people in auctions like to add 12 cents to the end of their bids etc. [23:10] 1100 [23:10] Which to me looks like a bot's signature :P [23:11] 1100? [23:11] 12 in binary is b1100 [23:11] oh [23:11] well actually the same guy did 11 then 12 then 15 [23:11] I'm nearly 30, but I still laugh when a system (today it's my home router) hits 69 days of uptime. [23:11] someone else had obviously bid high enough that could make it a normal amount [23:12] heh [23:12] i still laugh when people say that they get months of uptime in general :/ [23:12] "Aw that's so cute" [23:13] I have cellphones that get months of uptime, big deal. [23:13] yeah usually it's best not to talk to them :) [23:14] but then i used to feign ignorance when people said that i knew linux [23:14] or used being more the operative word [23:14] uh oh,... they're going to ask me about desktop environments.. [23:14] "Oh you work with computers right? My printer... " [23:15] Luckily I'm down to monthly or less when it comes to that ^ [23:15] 00:09:50 brycec | I'm nearly 30, but I still laugh when a system (today it's my home router) hits 69 days of uptime. [23:15] [23:15] haha [23:15] (And usually my excuse is something "Oh I only work with mainframes") [23:15] m0unds++ [23:15] i gave up trying to find a suitable gif of butthead laughing [23:17] hah i don't know anything about windows :) [23:17] nothing at all about viruses and how to fix or how to make some program start [23:18] or how to change desktop backgrounds or use teamviewer or something [23:18] Nothing you couldn' Google... Then again, nothing *they* couldn't Google either. [23:18] well their ie is broken and there internet doesn't work [23:18] and they think they need a new router or should they change isp's [23:19] What makes me so good at my job? (or facets, anyways) I can utilse resources like Google exceptionally well and efficiently. Basically, I'm better at using a damn website. *sigh* [23:19] i actually helped my neighbour out once :/ and only once, and it was fine. [23:19] I pity the mercutio [23:19] but then he seemed to tell my other neighbour that i knew computer stuff [23:19] As a kid, I seemed to get loaned-out and passed around the neighbourhood. Awful. [23:19] that's the problem [23:19] See, exactly, mercutio [23:19] never let people know you're willing to help [23:19] ever [23:19] because then you're "that guy" [23:20] haha yeh [23:20] i like to walk the thin line .. [23:20] i'm actually ok about saying no :) [23:20] At the very least,invoice. [23:20] i made the mistake of helping my in-laws with computer stuff and they wouldn't stop bugging me about it [23:20] yeah the problem with helping is it can turn into support [23:20] got sick of my idiot brother in law screwing up his laptop over and over, so i invoiced my last bit of work [23:20] and they stopped bugging me [23:20] And you had to get a divorce just to get away from them? [23:20] haha [23:20] you "recommend" something and someone has a problem with it, or that may have started from it [23:20] lol [23:20] and suddenly you're invovled because they don't know [23:21] nah, thankfully, my wife's not a huge fan of her family a lot of the time so i rarely see or hear from them :) [23:21] That reminds me... [23:21] they weren't fans of the repair invoice for my BIL's laptop though [23:22] i billed them at my hourly consulting rate [23:22] hahaha [23:22] such a passive aggressive thing on my part, but meh [23:22] I think the only thing worse than the clueless are the people who think they know a lot more than they do, and inevitably fuck their shit up. Then move on to the family... [23:22] yeah [23:22] i used to work with people like that [23:23] My lady's biological mother's boyfriend (or last I knew) was that sort [23:23] (Whole bunch of "nope, never talking to those people" on her side.) [23:23] anyhow,later [23:23] lol [23:23] ttyl [23:31] i prefer to help people fix their own problems rather than to fix peoples problems in a non-work environment [23:31] in a work type environment it's usually more prudent to just fix things [23:39] aka give them lmgtfy links? [23:40] no! [23:40] that's rude bryce :) [23:41] most people just overestimate how hard simple thigns are and underestimate how hard complicated things are. [23:41] like installing windows on a hard-disk isn't that complicated. [23:43] partitioning a blank hard drive can be a real PITA though [23:44] for ubuntu/linux dual boot? [23:44] uefi makes it a little more complicated. [23:47] Windows' GUI tools are very primitive as far as partition table creation/manipulation goes [23:48] most people have simple requirements [23:48] So if you have a USB drive you dd'd an ISO to and you want to format that and have all 2GB back? It's a PITA (or just plug it into a *nix box) [23:49] I consider that fairly elementary. not "basic" per se, but still mostly basic. [23:49] ahh that [23:49] i got hit by that once [23:49] get a new usb stick [23:49] it was even worse, as it was like a floppy sized usb stick [23:49] for updating hp server iirc [23:49] or futz around in diskmgr.exe. Or open cfdisk/fdisk/parted/gparted/whatever ;) [23:50] and windows didn't want to believ it was bigger [23:50] yeh linux makes it easier [23:50] but you can get 8gb usb sticks for under $10 [23:50] from all over the place. [23:50] Yeah Windows on its own sticks to whatever the partition table says and doesn't have a GUI for manipulating it. [23:50] Oh well. [23:52] *** up_the_irons has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3) [23:52] damn even with autobids i still can't help but checking auction [23:52] we lost the irons [23:53] Maybe he's finally upgrading to a recent WeeChat? :P [23:54] Or "carbon" was on kvr29 [23:54] heh [23:54] yeh he should upgrade is weechat [23:55] mine is older on ubuntu than arch by a bit [23:55] I'm running 1.2 on Debian :) [23:55] oh it's not too bad 1.1.1 [23:55] *** up_the_irons has joined #arpnetworks [23:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o up_the_irons [23:55] up_the_irons: your weechat version is old [23:55] Reeeeaeally old CTCP reply from up_the_irons: VERSION WeeChat v0.2.6.1 compiled on Mar 26 2009, running Linux 2.6.15-55-server / i686 [23:56] mercutio: fired it up from an old vm :) [23:56] up_the_irons: we were talking about carbon's has quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 [23:56] oh i meant your carbon one [23:56] hmm it's 1.2 on arch [23:56] i wonder why ubuntu is being slow [23:56] it's been a while since i upgraded [23:57] 1.2 was released early May [23:57] i'm using wily on my ubuntu host [23:57] has debian upgraded already? [23:57] Hmm, not positive, brb [23:58] 500 http://weechat.org/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages [23:58] I'm running weechat.org's own packages :D [23:58] And you coudl too, mercutio https://weechat.org/download/debian/ [23:58] ahh [23:58] will that work on ubuntu? [23:58] They have vivid packages [23:59] wow, Ubuntu 6.06 based on that kernel version. That's an old VM, up_the_irons [23:59] "dapper"